The traffic pool has changed forever- would you agree?

[Barefootsies]

Anyone who responds apart from Paul Markham wins a free sex in our club.

[BV]

Anyone who responds apart from Paul Markham wins a free sex in our club.

Show us some samples

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Show us some samples

Here are some short trailers, hope it's gonna play:



http://nl.bigsister.net/trailer/bg0002.wmv



http://nl.bigsister.net/trailer/bg0008.wmv

These are from live broadcasted hand cam I guess, but there's also remote cam system in each room, if someone's shy.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Damn I guess I was a bit harsh on Paul here, hope your health is well!

As an apology, Paul gets free sex in our club anytime!



Bumped this because of the "porn is dying" discussion.

[Jeppe]

Thanks for bumping this thread, Carlos - otherwise I would never have discovered it in this huge pool of non-business threads

Anyway, I just got done reading and there's a lot of relevant questions raised and worth considering.

I have a few thoughts regarding this whole issue.

First of all: The role of the search engines
Now I am not saying that the industry is not to blame for the current situation - a lot of factors have contributed, many of which we can thank ourselves for.

However take a look at this example - I search for Mature.nl in US Google safesearch off: http://www.google.com/search?q=matur...f&start=0&sa=N

Apart from a few exceptions look at the first few pages of results - all torrent sites or similar file sharing pages. And it's the same with most adult keywords - tons and tons of those results.

Does Google etc. have a responsibility to filter out those results? Maybe not. But it definitely goes to show that Google delivers crap results for anything adult related. I have searched specifically for relatively targeted terms that I know we have relevant content about on AdultReviews.net and wouldn't find it in the first many pages of results if at all. But there would always be plenty of results like the example above.

And relating it to the topic - it's no wonder people go to everything but the actual paysites when all they get is results like this.

Secondly: Are sites with content that can't be put on tubes affected?
Most notably cam sites. It's obvious that live cam sites offer something that can't easily be copied since each performance is based on the customer's interaction.
So are sites that mainly feature content that can't be tubed, experiencing a similar decline in traffic and/or revenue?

Thirdly - Porn as a concept
I noticed a few discussing what was "real porn" and what was just poorly produced porn without a script, good acting etc.
Take a look at the definition of Porn according to Wikipedia

Pornography or porn is the explicit depiction of sexual subject matter with the sole intention of sexually exciting the viewer.

There is no such thing as "the right kind of porn". Porn is whatever turns the viewer on at this current moment.

I know from myself that even though I have favorite types of porn, I don't always want to see the same kind of porn. I mean you might prefer vanilla ice cream, but sometimes you want to have strawberry ice cream or chocolate ice cream...

But if a surfer finds something he really likes - like say a particular guy's style. For example the guy from Amateur Allure (aside from the fact that production quality here is very high) - basically the same thing happens in all the scenes, except the girls are different. But if the surfer really likes this guy's style, then finding tons and tons of the same stuff will be exactly what he wants. He doesn't care whether other consider it monotonous.

So I guess what I'm saying is that we can't develop a universal formula for "good porn" for all people. Rather a site should develop its own concept and aim to perfect it.

And finally, Carlos, it seems we have never gotten around to review your site, but feel free to submit it here and I will make sure we get that done.

[Thomas007]

I think we gotta begin delivering some descent pornography and not just yet another naked girl fucking a naked guy.

We need to excite the the audience, some programs are doing that.
We shall focus on creating such good products that other webmasters would consider buying access too see it.

And we gotta treat our traffic as real people where we don't try to cheat them.

Right now the adult indutry is a mess. Some will survive, some will not.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Thanks for bumping this thread, Carlos - otherwise I would never have discovered it in this huge pool of non-business threads

Anyway, I just got done reading and there's a lot of relevant questions raised and worth considering.

I have a few thoughts regarding this whole issue.

First of all: The role of the search engines
Now I am not saying that the industry is not to blame for the current situation - a lot of factors have contributed, many of which we can thank ourselves for.

However take a look at this example - I search for Mature.nl in US Google safesearch off: http://www.google.com/search?q=matur...f&start=0&sa=N

Apart from a few exceptions look at the first few pages of results - all torrent sites or similar file sharing pages. And it's the same with most adult keywords - tons and tons of those results.

Does Google etc. have a responsibility to filter out those results? Maybe not. But it definitely goes to show that Google delivers crap results for anything adult related. I have searched specifically for relatively targeted terms that I know we have relevant content about on AdultReviews.net and wouldn't find it in the first many pages of results if at all. But there would always be plenty of results like the example above.

And relating it to the topic - it's no wonder people go to everything but the actual paysites when all they get is results like this.

Yes, as was already mentioned even in this thread, sending SE traffic on the most popular niche terms with a mass of free substitute might as well be nowhere productive.

Secondly: Are sites with content that can't be put on tubes affected?
Most notably cam sites. It's obvious that live cam sites offer something that can't easily be copied since each performance is based on the customer's interaction.
So are sites that mainly feature content that can't be tubed, experiencing a similar decline in traffic and/or revenue?

Well I can't speak for livecam owners, the only thing I know is that studios that used to make good bank four five years ago are hardly profitable these days as there's a massive oversaturation among livecam performers and dollar ain't in the best shape.

This should, according to my past livecam experience affect the customer experience, the models simply are not so good if they do not make enough money and try anything possible to make a dime / changing providers, multiple providers at once at the end it's an overall decline in revenue per model.

As for our project, we do have our very own live program with real couples, swingers and it's a vital part of the appeal and retention, anyone can SEE it's real people and no fake as it's live.

I bulshit not if I say there was no drop in conversions, no drop in $ per sign up, that even grew as we introduced a couple new features, it's just less traffic on those legal sources you have available and the overall constant panic doesn't help neither.

Thirdly - Porn as a concept
I noticed a few discussing what was "real porn" and what was just poorly produced porn without a script, good acting etc.
Take a look at the definition of Porn according to Wikipedia

There is no such thing as "the right kind of porn". Porn is whatever turns the viewer on at this current moment.

I know from myself that even though I have favorite types of porn, I don't always want to see the same kind of porn. I mean you might prefer vanilla ice cream, but sometimes you want to have strawberry ice cream or chocolate ice cream...

But if a surfer finds something he really likes - like say a particular guy's style. For example the guy from Amateur Allure (aside from the fact that production quality here is very high) - basically the same thing happens in all the scenes, except the girls are different. But if the surfer really likes this guy's style, then finding tons and tons of the same stuff will be exactly what he wants. He doesn't care whether other consider it monotonous.

So I guess what I'm saying is that we can't develop a universal formula for "good porn" for all people. Rather a site should develop its own concept and aim to perfect it.

Well my perception is that no matter how porn could have sucked in the past, someone could make a bank as it was scarce and taboo.

Give it to everyone for free and the only ones that will remain as loyal and repeat buyers will be those, who cannot find their very own turn on anywhere else.

And finally, Carlos, it seems we have never gotten around to review
your site, but feel free to submit it here and I will make sure we get that done.

I sure will, thanks!

Btw. haven't we met in Amsterdam 2007?

[Jeppe]

I sure will, thanks!

Btw. haven't we met in Amsterdam 2007?

Cool, I just checked and we have received the review request, so I'll assign that right away.

Yes we have met previously - it was probably last year though since we didn't attend Amsterdam in 2007.

[seeandsee]

Here's the graph I'm talking about, I put it to my server:

straight in center of problem

[mopek1]

Wow ... Awesome thread ... and finally.

I spend more time trying to find good programs/sites to promote than anything else. My main focus used to be to try to get as much traffic as possible (which I still want) but when I do get more and more my sales increase only 'slightly' in proportion to the increase in traffic.

My income would double/triple just by putting some links up to a few good converting sites. But it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I keep looking.