BUSINESS: stuck at $70/day how to boost to $200-300/day

[fallenmuffin]

Okay, so I'm stuck at $70 a day sometimes I tap out at $100 a day but it's usually 70..

What steps did _YOU_ take to boost your income to the $300/day range? My traffic is small and niched but it works, clearly. Growing traffic could get me to a steady 100/day and I plan to launch another site later this month.. But I'm wondering about what paths you took.

This thread doesn't apply to program owners or up sellers only straight affiliate marketers... Although your wisdom is always appreciated.

[nofx]

bump for you. shame this is rare on gfy, a business thread.

msg me if you would like to chit chat about anything, i'm sure we could work something out and I could give ya a few tips.

icq in sig

[shermo]

My best advice is to learn about all types of traffic. Not only do you need to learn how to focus on TGP traffic, but minor SEO knowledge, some blog traffic, some free site submittions and some mgp traffic will really help to boost your income. Specializing in 1 thing is great, but being a jack of all trades is where the money really is.

[David - PG]

Maybe not exactly what you were asking for, just a word of advice of what _NOT TO DO_

Do not go sponsor hopping, from one hot thing to the next big thing. Just like 100s of others. They end up throwing all their energy in new marketing campaigns hoping to finally strike gold, just to end up dissapointed and whine how everybody is shaving them.

If you're an affiliate, try to build up recurring income with a AEN/AVS. That's the closest you can get to your own paysite with minimal (no) capital investment.

[X37375787]

Plain and simple. Scale your business. Whatever you do now, do it twice or three times as much. Usually works.

[David - PG]

Millions of businsses are driven into bankruptcy with this strategy. It only applies under very specific conditions in my experience, usually because you can not scale most things in a linear fashion. Resources (websites, traffic, employees, contracts) usually are not "linear", i.e. twice of the same won't make twice the money.

Plain and simple. Scale your business. Whatever you do now, do it twice or three times as much. Usually works.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

what ever you are doing to make 70 perday with umm

Repeat it and engineer faster ways to do it.

[DamageX]

My best advice... Ask on OTHER boards.

[darnit]

My best advice... Ask on OTHER boards.

LOL i hope i dont get banned - but that is damm good advice

[BIGTYMER]

Add PayServe to your lineup.

[woj]

Millions of businsses are driven into bankruptcy with this strategy. It only applies under very specific conditions in my experience, usually because you can not scale most things in a linear fashion. Resources (websites, traffic, employees, contracts) usually are not "linear", i.e. twice of the same won't make twice the money.

On the net it will, unless right now you are sumbitting galleries the whole day or something similar that is very time intensive. In fact, when you have 2x you make more than 2x $$. You save on hosting, are able to get beter deals from sponsors, designers/programmers will give you a better deal when you order 2x instead of 1x, etc.. As you grow bigger it becomes easier (untill you reach a certain point, then management overhead takes over).

[DamageX]

LOL i hope i dont get banned - but that is damm good advice

Considering how fast this thread slid off the first page, I think I was right.

[David - PG]

Sounds like textbook reasoning found in many MBA books. According to this everybody (!) could earn endless amounts of money by finding an actvitity that has a return of $1 per unit and multiplying it endlessly.

As I said, this mindset drove many businesses into ruin. They tried to substitute the lack of a thorough business model with high volume output. A bit later, high costs are the ghosts coming to haunt them. They end up sitting on high revenues, high costs and heftly operational losses = negative cashflow. Then what good is the discount your hosting company gives you because you burn 5 gigabit?

My advice to the fallenmuffin: Do not try to scale without using your head, especially if it comes at a high cost (i.e. buying traffic without a sound understanding what trafficsources make you money, taking on staff etc.). Try to use your most useful resource (i.e. your own time & brain) in the most effective manner. Try running different sites/projects, see what makes you most money and drop the low ROI projects in order to focus on the higher ROI ones.

On the net it will, unless right now you are sumbitting galleries the whole day or something similar that is very time intensive. In fact, when you have 2x you make more than 2x $$. You save on hosting, are able to get beter deals from sponsors, designers/programmers will give you a better deal when you order 2x instead of 1x, etc.. As you grow bigger it becomes easier (untill you reach a certain point, then management overhead takes over).

[Marshal]

bump for you! ;)

[fallenmuffin]

My best advice is to learn about all types of traffic. Not only do you need to learn how to focus on TGP traffic, but minor SEO knowledge, some blog traffic, some free site submittions and some mgp traffic will really help to boost your income. Specializing in 1 thing is great, but being a jack of all trades is where the money really is.

Nice Advice. TGP traffic is something I'm trying to learn at the moment and I'm going to have to break out of my niche to create galleries and submit (of which I've done a few TGP2 but the traffic is lacking). I'm ranked on the first page of google for one of my keywords and am trying for another. I'd say 60-100 unqiues come to my main site daily through search engines. So I do plan on improving this. Thanks for the advice

Maybe not exactly what you were asking for, just a word of advice of what _NOT TO DO_

Do not go sponsor hopping, from one hot thing to the next big thing. Just like 100s of others. They end up throwing all their energy in new marketing campaigns hoping to finally strike gold, just to end up dissapointed and whine how everybody is shaving them.

If you're an affiliate, try to build up recurring income with a AEN/AVS. That's the closest you can get to your own paysite with minimal (no) capital investment.

I noticed this with the first site I started. Which is not turning a profit. So now I stick to a few sponors and about 20 through CCBill (which at the moment is my biggest earner). I'll check out AEN/AVS. I joined PornAccess for that reason but I got sidetracked and yet to lauch my _own_ paysite. But that seems to be where the large money is.

Plain and simple. Scale your business. Whatever you do now, do it twice or three times as much. Usually works.

I currently have 3 sites offering to this niche. Each site is targeted to a different aspect of the niche. I could probably take it a bit further but I think I'll branch out into different niches. i.e. interracial, teen, or whatever (well maybe not teen lol)

Millions of businsses are driven into bankruptcy with this strategy. It only applies under very specific conditions in my experience, usually because you can not scale most things in a linear fashion. Resources (websites, traffic, employees, contracts) usually are not "linear", i.e. twice of the same won't make twice the money.

Exactly. That's why I'm trying to focus on different areas of the same thing. Sub-niches if you well, lol. That was well said and good advice.

My best advice... Ask on OTHER boards.

LOL. I though about this but why GFY is full of alot of umm _interesting_ people. It has alot of high rollers. Well what I would consider high rollers, lol. Though some of it might be bullshit. But alot of people around here are good and good at business.. I hope.

My advice to the fallenmuffin: Do not try to scale without using your head, especially if it comes at a high cost (i.e. buying traffic without a sound understanding what trafficsources make you money, taking on staff etc.). Try to use your most useful resource (i.e. your own time & brain) in the most effective manner. Try running different sites/projects, see what makes you most money and drop the low ROI projects in order to focus on the higher ROI ones.

David you are a wise guy. Every reply in this thread has been a good one. And that is exactly what I've been doing, lol. I do all my own traffic building (I will never buy traffic), I do my own designing and I do my own programming (I've been a freelance web and software developer for 7 years). So, literally my only investment is hosting and the domain name, lol.

[fallenmuffin]

bump for you. shame this is rare on gfy, a business thread.

msg me if you would like to chit chat about anything, i'm sure we could work something out and I could give ya a few tips.

icq in sig

Thanks for that nofx, I've added you on ICQ..

[Major (Tom)]

Maybe not exactly what you were asking for, just a word of advice of what _NOT TO DO_

Do not go sponsor hopping, from one hot thing to the next big thing. Just like 100s of others. They end up throwing all their energy in new marketing campaigns hoping to finally strike gold, just to end up dissapointed and whine how everybody is shaving them.

If you're an affiliate, try to build up recurring income with a AEN/AVS. That's the closest you can get to your own paysite with minimal (no) capital investment.

you and i think alike..
duke

[B2BwithJoeD]

I don't know your background, but education is the key - and networking, which you've started here. Continue the networking and if you are able to make it to a top newbie friendly event like the Phoenix Forum and the Cybernet Expo plan to meet up with some of the people you establish relationships with on the boards so you can have some real conversations.

Find real people at the shows, like Kath Blackwell, Kevin Godbee, Raven, Rainey and Hammer who can really be approached and will give you the straight scoop. Read everything you can on traffic - there are terrific archives on a couple of resource sites and ours are searchable - and you never know where you'll get your next best idea.

There are always detractors...

My best advice... Ask on OTHER boards.

...and it's easy to criticize - while you may get fantastic advice on other education focused boards, we all visit here at some point so it's always a great place to start.

Keep asking questions, and remember one of my favorite industry quotes - Morgan Sommer from CyberSocket - "Make Friends, and You'll Always Have Traffic."

[Screaming]

Do what ever you are doing now, 3 times.

[Doctor Dre]

Millions of businsses are driven into bankruptcy with this strategy. It only applies under very specific conditions in my experience, usually because you can not scale most things in a linear fashion. Resources (websites, traffic, employees, contracts) usually are not "linear", i.e. twice of the same won't make twice the money.

read the title... from 70 to 200-300... in this case, in this business... this is very doable.

[Doctor Dre]

Sounds like textbook reasoning found in many MBA books. According to this everybody (!) could earn endless amounts of money by finding an actvitity that has a return of $1 per unit and multiplying it endlessly.

As I said, this mindset drove many businesses into ruin. They tried to substitute the lack of a thorough business model with high volume output. A bit later, high costs are the ghosts coming to haunt them. They end up sitting on high revenues, high costs and heftly operational losses = negative cashflow. Then what good is the discount your hosting company gives you because you burn 5 gigabit?

My advice to the fallenmuffin: Do not try to scale without using your head, especially if it comes at a high cost (i.e. buying traffic without a sound understanding what trafficsources make you money, taking on staff etc.). Try to use your most useful resource (i.e. your own time & brain) in the most effective manner. Try running different sites/projects, see what makes you most money and drop the low ROI projects in order to focus on the higher ROI ones.

Dude we are not talking about unlimited money, we are talking about 300 bucks a day... Somebody at the top of his game in any kind of traffic in this industry is making a lot more then that ... in any field.

[slapass]

Plain and simple. Scale your business. Whatever you do now, do it twice or three times as much. Usually works.

This is the trick right here. Figure out how you are making $70 per day. Now do that time 400% and you are there.

[Nicky]

read the title... from 70 to 200-300... in this case, in this business... this is very doable.

Yea, thats very doable, especially if he is not working 8 hours aday right now to get his 70.....

[David - PG]

Dude we are not talking about unlimited money, we are talking about 300 bucks a day... Somebody at the top of his game in any kind of traffic in this industry is making a lot more then that ... in any field.

Yea that's why all those "Win $500 here" threads get 20k views here. I guess everybody is making 10k a month.

[Paparazzi]

find a FEW good recurring programs with exclusive content and with frequently updates and build up a huge recurring database. It will take some time, but you will love it

[David - PG]

read the title... from 70 to 200-300... in this case, in this business... this is very doable.

Result: Everybody who makes $50 a day just needs to "scale" his business x 5 and automatically will make $250 a day in this industry! Any monkey could do it!!!

[Raven]

One thing I've noticed:

It's real easy to get excited about everything. What happens, usually, is projects are started and half completed, which will result in negative energy and no revenue.

Pick something and stick with it, no matter how tedious it seems, until it's a stable revenue stream. A solid foundation is essential. Do not move on to other projects until you've got positive cash flow from the first.

[Nicky]

Result: Everybody who makes $50 a day just needs to "scale" his business x 5 and automatically will make $250 a day in this industry! Any monkey could do it!!!

If the scaling is doable, yes..... If you submit 1 gallery aday now and could submit 5 it would probably work, no?

[Doctor Dre]

Yea that's why all those "Win $500 here" threads get 20k views here. I guess everybody is making 10k a month.

Not everybody is working hard enough, that's the main problem. People aren't organised, they don't re invest enough money, and they don't diversify.

[Doctor Dre]

Result: Everybody who makes $50 a day just needs to "scale" his business x 5 and automatically will make $250 a day in this industry! Any monkey could do it!!!

What I'm saying is that in any field of the business (avs freesites paysites tgps blog seo mobile market, etc etc etc) making 300 a day is something very doable. And yes you can scale the business 5x, give it some improvements and you'll do much better. You just need to think outside the box.

[Doctor Dre]

I'm not saying how long it will last thought . What I've learned in this business is that you need to diversify, always have a backup plan for when shit hits the fan, and everybody start doing what YOU'RE doing right already.

[Doctor Dre]

If the scaling is doable, yes..... If you submit 1 gallery aday now and could submit 5 it would probably work, no?

You'd most likely get banned unless you submit from diff servers or from proxies. Buying 5 partners accs for each tgp can also be a pain in the ***.

[David - PG]

What I'm saying is that in any field of the business (avs freesites paysites tgps blog seo mobile market, etc etc etc) making 300 a day is something very doable. And yes you can scale the business 5x, give it some improvements and you'll do much better. You just need to think outside the box.

I think you missed my point. My point is trying to merely mulitply your current input factors (traffic, content, # of sites etc.) _BLINDLY_ will often times lead to failure.

The point is not if it's $30 a day, $300 a day or $30k a day. That's entirely unimportant. You say "$300 a day is doable". What if I tell you "$50k a day is doable", does that help you? It's a trivial statement.

[Nicky]

You'd most likely get banned unless you submit from diff servers or from proxies. Buying 5 partners accs for each tgp can also be a pain in the ***.

True, but ofcourse I mean if you could submit 5 and get same traffic to them

[Doctor Dre]

I think you missed my point. My point is trying to merely mulitply your current input factors (traffic, content, # of sites etc.) _BLINDLY_ will often times lead to failure.

The point is not if it's $30 a day, $300 a day or $30k a day. That's entirely unimportant. You say "$300 a day is doable". What if I tell you "$50k a day is doable", does that help you? It's a trivial statement.

OMG you can be a pain in the ass

300 a day can EASILY doable just duplicating what you already do ... do more volume.

50 000 a day isn't.

Thus it wasn't a trival statement. You can't do that for ever, but reaching 300 a day is very possible in this industry. Now stop beeing a pain in the ass please.

300 a day is doable duplicating your gallery work, your SEO work, making more blogs etc etc.
If a formula is good, you can duplicate it.

50 000 a day isn't ... there is no way you can make 50k a day duplicating your owrk.

Now getting to 1000 a day with the same formula might be a lot harder.

[Doctor Dre]

True, but ofcourse I mean if you could submit 5 and get same traffic to them

It's often not exactly like that unless you plan it right . the ROI will be a bit lower most likely, but as long as you are making a good return ... right ? ;)

[Anthony]

I would like to nominate David - Pg for "Best New Poster In A Long Ass Time" considering he joined in 2004 kinda shows everyone how in dire need GFY is of good business threads and advice.

[Anthony]

OMG you can be a pain in the ass

300 a day can EASILY doable just duplicating what you already do ... do more volume.

50 000 a day isn't.

Thus it wasn't a trival statement. You can't do that for ever, but reaching 300 a day is very possible in this industry. Now stop beeing a pain in the ass please.

300 a day is doable duplicating your gallery work, your SEO work, making more blogs etc etc.
If a formula is good, you can duplicate it.

50 000 a day isn't ... there is no way you can make 50k a day duplicating your owrk.

Now getting to 1000 a day with the same formula might be a lot harder.

I would think this was possible around 1999 to mid 2001. The pie got too small, to think you can just keep duplicating what you do and get the same ROI.

[Doctor Dre]

Basicly what you are saying is ...

If you are making a 100 a day from galleries on a 50 bucks investement, don't try to invest more money, and submit more galleries, you will fail.
NOT TRUE.

Just don't put all your eggs in one basket. Reason why it fails is because there are a lot of trends in this business and it moves very quickly. What was good for today don't mean it's gonna be good tomorrow, and what was good yesterday definitly isn't good today (most of the time).

If you can think outside of the box, bring new ideas, then it's possible

[Raven]

Not everybody is working hard enough, that's the main problem. People aren't organised, they don't re invest enough money, and they don't diversify.

I agree with that all three points you've made.

[Doctor Dre]

I would think this was possible around 1999 to mid 2001. The pie got too small, to think you can just keep duplicating what you do and get the same ROI.

Jeez... I know a lot of people (including one of my old business partner) who were arround for a while and started making their money in 2002-2005... everything is possible to thoses who have the ideas and can think outside the box, manage a good business. And I'm talking about wayyyyyyyyy more then 300 a day here.

You just gotta do what you gotta do... don't count the hours, because if you do, you'll always end up short on something in the equation... invest the money you got to invest, even if it's a risk (just think rationally).

[David - PG]

300 a day can EASILY doable just duplicating what you already do ... do more volume.

50 000 a day isn't.

And why is that??????????? You're not making sense. What's the difference between 50k a day and $300 a day. Why does "duplication" stop working at 50k a day? lol

Have you ever run a business? You sure don't sound like it.

[Anthony]

Jeez... I know a lot of people (including one of my old business partner) who were arround for a while and started making their money in 2002-2005... everything is possible to thoses who have the ideas and can think outside the box, manage a good business. And I'm talking about wayyyyyyyyy more then 300 a day here.

You just gotta do what you gotta do... don't count the hours, because if you do, you'll always end up short on something in the equation... invest the money you got to invest, even if it's a risk (just think rationally).

Dre, we are talking internet here, and not mail. LOL

[fallenmuffin]

One thing I've noticed:

It's real easy to get excited about everything. What happens, usually, is projects are started and half completed, which will result in negative energy and no revenue.

Pick something and stick with it, no matter how tedious it seems, until it's a stable revenue stream. A solid foundation is essential. Do not move on to other projects until you've got positive cash flow from the first.

I agree with you to a degree. I think it's important to know when to cut the dead weight from your 'empire' and move into a different direction. But you should stick with something until it makes you a return atleast. I also find myself wanting to launch new sites daily, lol. But you just can't do that. I do tend to get excited about everything and just want to grow my income. But stick with what works until it's stable then take a risk ? I'm launching a new site soon that has a wider audicane and I don't expect my income from this new site to be as good but just be another stream to add to the over all total.

I forget whom but someone on YNOT probably said it best... "slow down" which ironicly I've only sped up since then, lol.

Yea, thats very doable, especially if he is not working 8 hours aday right now to get his 70.....

When I do start a site I work non-stop for days. Then spend a week building traffic and once I'm happy with the traffic and search engine visitors .. I attempt to make it sticky. After that I really don't touch them other then manage traffic. Which I know how can it be sticky when it _never_ updates but it's all randomly done based on user sessions so it still has sticky factor. You could say I run CircleJerks (CJs) or more or less a TGP (with mainly text links) that have a few blind links in the mix.

find a FEW good recurring programs with exclusive content and with frequently updates and build up a huge recurring database. It will take some time, but you will love it

I do find this works best.. and is great advice Paparazzi. CCBill sites that are not promated too heavly are my bread and butter. They have what I believe to be exclusive content and update a few times a month. Since this is only my second month I haven't gotten too many rebills but the ones I have gotten are great

Result: Everybody who makes $50 a day just needs to "scale" his business x 5 and automatically will make $250 a day in this industry! Any monkey could do it!!!

Hmm, are you being sarcastic? hehe. I really like the advice you have given me throughout this thread. You seem to really know what is going on and right moves to make. I find it easier to have 5 different sites doing 2k UV/day each pulling in $30 a day then one large site doin 50k uv/day and doing $250... I believe in expanding more then scaling.. Would you agree with that?

[Doctor Dre]

And why is that??????????? You're not making sense. What's the difference between 50k a day and $300 a day. Why does "duplication" stop working at 50k a day? lol

Have you ever run a business? You sure don't sound like it.

You sound like you've been to business school but never done anything in this business.

You make ZERO sense. Tell me who is making 50 000 a day in this business ?
Very few people, and thoses who are doing aren't posting galleries on thehun.


I'm taking 300 a day because of the topic. 300 a day is midly EASILY doable in this business with some work and good business sense. For 50 000 a day you need to be a fucking genious

[Doctor Dre]

Dre, we are talking internet here, and not mail. LOL

I'm not talking about mailing either ... anybody in mailing who dosen't make 300 a day is a fucking tool.

[fallenmuffin]

You sound like you've been to business school but never done anything in this business.

You make ZERO sense. Tell me who is making 50 000 a day in this business ?
Very few people, and thoses who are doing aren't posting galleries on thehun.


I'm taking 300 a day because of the topic. 300 a day is midly EASILY doable in this business with some work and good business sense. For 50 000 a day you need to be a fucking genious

Dre, I think David was just trying to exploit your duplication theory. If you duplicate the _winning_ results countless times then the income is unstoppable.

[Doctor Dre]

And about the "have you ran a business" comment, please keep thoses personal attacks to you, because I've been arround for much longer then you.

[Doctor Dre]

Dre, I think David was just trying to exploit your duplication theory. If you duplicate the _winning_ results countless times then the income is unstoppable.

Off course you can't do it for ever ... there is a limited market for everything. 300 a day is easily doable...

[Anthony]

I'm not talking about mailing either ... anybody in mailing who dosen't make 300 a day is a fucking tool.

Let's not throw around mail numbers, next thing you know there will be another wave of noobs with DM looking for peas.

Diversification has always been the name of the game. But the pie is shrinking. You have to have one hella of a kick ass product (BangBros), great new software (NATS), etc... to really capture the market.

Just having alot of traffic doesn't neccesarily mean you are making any money. This is the biggest change from 2000 to now.