Any martial arts experts here? Is Kung-Fu a bullshit discipline?

[NTM]

how come i never king-fu (wushu) fighters in MMA / Valetudo championships? and the ones who actually do list kung-fu on their profiles, get beat down severely.


is that crap just for show and has no practical fighting value?

[polish_aristocrat]

same for karate or teak-won-do (no idea how to spell it) I guess....

[Joesho]

Kung fu is the master of all the arts, oh young Glasshoppa

[NTM]

i also have never seen real life Kung-Fu fights.

are there any organized events/championships where two kung-fu fighters actually fight each other? with set rules and stuff?

i've only seen it in Hollywood movies.

[Violetta]

I just read that boxers and kungfu'ers always lost those maches. lol...

[GooSearch]

how come i never king-fu (wushu) fighters in MMA / Valetudo championships? and the ones who actually do list kung-fu on their profiles, get beat down severely.


is that crap just for show and has no practical fighting value?

my wife took wushu for 4 years.. very good for show..
not much else IMO
but then again never went toe to toe with someone that studied it for life

at my kung fu school we would learn wah lum, AND jujitsu, and boxing.. they mixed it up

[fris]

http://www.emule2.net/funny/britfight.wmv

[just a punk]

It doesn't matter which fighting art your are learning. The most important thing is HOW you are doing it.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

Commercial martial arts... LOL

I am 33 turning 34 years old and I was introduced to the martial arts in 1977-1978 and have been around it all my life. ( approx 30 years )

To answer your question... wushu as you know it as was developed in the late 1970s by the Chinese government as to pull their people together and for other national reasons... What you see people talking about and practicing on tv and in person is the commercial versions of "martial arts"... such is normally for exercise but taught for some reason as applications... and such has no place in reality !!!

I come from a close door group that practiced advanced hand to hand combat methods... the stuff not taught in your local martial arts centers... In the martial arts community my family art is well know. I have met some very high ranking teachers / practitioners from here in Canada, china and japan when I was younger.

It does not matter the art you study but rather how you train... If you study slowly with a partner studying the physics and really study what your doing using the scientific model then with a lot of free time or with a good teacher who does not have he's or her's head up their ass(es) you will be fine.

Personally I like how ninjitsu is structured, this seems to be more sound in their concepts... I have not studied such, but their methods are close to what I practice...

A skilled fighter, has little to do with learning forms and dressing up as to impress oneself or friends with a title or associations... weapons on their schools walls...

In the close door group I was with we always practiced doing and could never understand why open door teachers taught stuff that was proven not to work.

Good form does not mean good functionality !


Later,







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[Fuckinhorny]

well said baabaganoush

[valetudo]

It doesn't matter which fighting art your are learning. The most important thing is HOW you are doing it.

this is correct.

you don't see kung-fu and karate in many MMA matches because they have a seriously underdeveloped ground game. on top of that, not many schools do training for point matches and do lots of katas(practice moves in the air and not against people). they rarely train with sparring partners that really try to defend what they're learning in class.

Go watch a kung-fu, karate or aikido class. When learning the moves, their partners go with the flow. Very little resistance. This doesn't pan out well when it's time to really fight.

Andy Hug and Lyoto Machida are two fine examples of karate being effective. They are kyokushin karate. Andy Hug is one of the best fighters to ever enter the K-1 ring. Died in 2001 from cancer.

[NTM]

It doesn't matter which fighting art your are learning. The most important thing is HOW you are doing it.

what the hell is that supposed to mean?


you either kick ass or you dont


i've never seen anyone use king-fu in real life and win

[Jextur Media]

I've been in martial arts for about 20 years now. I'll address the ones that I have specific experience with:

Tae Kwon Do - has alot of practical uses if you are trained properly. It was created as a combative style, whereas most other martial arts are meant for promoting health and teaching self-defense.

Kung Fu - depends on the style. There are alot of styles that don't perform well in a combat situation. But certain styles like Wing Chun are pretty brutal, I use to spar against somebody who practiced Wing Chun, he hit really really hard lol. I personally have studied Hung Gar, Preying Mantis, Temple Boxing, and Choi Li Fut, but found only 1 of those styles to have real fighting practicality.

Kickboxing / Muay Thai - this is street fighting, but they enforce a few basic rules (i.e. no groin shots). If you really want a martial art to learn street fighting, Muay Thai is one of the best.

Prag Maga - I don't have any experience personally with this, but I've been told is one of the most effective martial arts in the world (and that's coming from people who have black belts or equivilants in other styles). They don't teach you forms or katas, they just teach application and how to deal with various situations.

Tai Chi - I currently study tai chi, and I can tell you that if you learn from the right person it is very applicable. It's amazing what you can do to people (same goes for Akido, takes very little muscle power and you can knock people on their ass very fast).

[valetudo]

also..

In all my training(consists of wrestling, muay thai, judo, brazilian jiu jitsu, boxing), once we feel we have the hang of a move, our training partners start resisting it. Sometimes we also do some heavy cardio training before practicing techniques. If you can get the technique down when you're dead tired, you should be able to do it even better when you're fresh. This also helps with the mental aspect.

[Joesho]

best defense .... NO GET HIT

Thank you Joe son . berry baluable wesson you teach today. pease come again tommorrow

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

well said baabaganoush

I'm hungry now ! ^^

[DatingGold]

martial arts kick ass...

[guti]

Kempo > Kung fu

[D]

I'm sure most Kung Fu masters could kick my ass.

[Profits of Doom]

As a kid I trained in just about every traditional martial art that was available because I didn't know any better, everything from Tae Kwon Do to Shotokan. I think they are great discipline for young kids but most are geared towards point fighting. I remember being heavily involved in Kenpo at one of the Ed Parker schools in Coral Springs, Fl., back when Jeff Speakman was becoming a movie star and the Kenpo craze was taking off.

There is a good interview here http://www.sportsline.com/boxing/story/10080671/1
where Pat Miletich talks about traditional martial arts that I thought summed it up pretty well (it is the last paragraph of the interview). Here is the summary...

Q: Your school has a shirt that says "Your Kung Fu is No Good Here" but you're a third degree black belt in karate. What are your feelings about traditional standup martial art disciplines such as kung fu, karate and tae kwon do?

PM: I think everything has its place. I think that martial arts -- traditional martial arts -- have some very good qualities and that everything that we all do is derived, for the most part, from ancient martial arts. Wrestling is an ancient martial art. But a traditional martial art never changes and never gets better. Everything in our society gets better. Cars get better. Housing gets better. Airplanes get better. Martial arts in their world doesn't get better. Why would I want to learn the same thing that people were learning 200 years ago when fighting has changed so much? When they pull their hands back to their sides to chamber a punch, I ask when I do seminars, I ask traditional black belts, "Why do you do that?" And they'll say "Well, to learn wrist rotation, to chamber a punch, to do this and to do that ... for power." And I'll go "no," because when this stuff was invented it was considered disrespectful to punch your opponent in the face. Now, the first place you're gonna get punched is in the face so why are we not teaching our students to keep their hands up? You know, just something that simple? It doesn't make any sense to me to teach people that way.

[Profits of Doom]

Oh, and please disregard Balalbababooey's post. It truly reeks of all that is wrong with martial arts, the "secret society" ninjitsu bullshit that permeated before UFC 1 finally disproved it.

[mikeyddddd]

NastyDollars - WTF?!?!?

They never cease to amaze me

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=12719434

[Pleasurepays]

there is no magic martial art. like anything else, it depends on a combination of the person teaching it and the person studying it.

either you can punch, kick and block and submit people.. or you can't. any style that doesn't focus on direct physical contact and real world sparring (punching/kicking and getting kicked and punched) is a waste of time in my opinion. i have a black belt in Go Ju Ryu Karate and personally think its a joke, like most traditional martial arts.... and apparently Pride and UFC agree as well.

[Pleasurepays]

and... for those people that are in love wiht the styles they have trained... there is a huge difference between training in class in a controlled, safe environment and fighting someone on the street - who has no formal training impressing your friends to prove you can kick someone in the head and fighting someone who actually knows how to fight and wants to hurt you.

until you step up and actually fight people and have a record... its all just talk and fantasy.

[Pleasurepays]

Oh, and please disregard Balalbababooey's post. It truly reeks of all that is wrong with martial arts, the "secret society" ninjitsu bullshit that permeated before UFC 1 finally disproved it.

i used to own a martial arts school...


#1 question "how fast can i get my black belt"...

that sums up Americans and sums up perfectly the appeal of Tai Kwon Do.


martial arts in the US is a joke. in my opinion, either you train to fight and you fight.. or you dont fight, in which case its just exercise... and if its just exercise, great! but don't call it something it isn't... and don't pretend you are something you aren't. the single greatest problem with martial arts is that for the most part, it is about giving everyone a false sense of security.

there are few things funnier than the stunned and confused look on the face of a "bad ass" when you spar in class together for the first time and kick him or hit him hard enough to really make it hurt, to settle him down.

[steved]

I've been in martial arts for about 20 years now. I'll address the ones that I have specific experience with:

Tae Kwon Do - has alot of practical uses if you are trained properly. It was created as a combative style, whereas most other martial arts are meant for promoting health and teaching self-defense.

Kung Fu - depends on the style. There are alot of styles that don't perform well in a combat situation. But certain styles like Wing Chun are pretty brutal, I use to spar against somebody who practiced Wing Chun, he hit really really hard lol. I personally have studied Hung Gar, Preying Mantis, Temple Boxing, and Choi Li Fut, but found only 1 of those styles to have real fighting practicality.

Kickboxing / Muay Thai - this is street fighting, but they enforce a few basic rules (i.e. no groin shots). If you really want a martial art to learn street fighting, Muay Thai is one of the best.

Prag Maga - I don't have any experience personally with this, but I've been told is one of the most effective martial arts in the world (and that's coming from people who have black belts or equivilants in other styles). They don't teach you forms or katas, they just teach application and how to deal with various situations.

Tai Chi - I currently study tai chi, and I can tell you that if you learn from the right person it is very applicable. It's amazing what you can do to people (same goes for Akido, takes very little muscle power and you can knock people on their ass very fast).

It's Krav Maga I thought.

[steved]

i used to own a martial arts school...


#1 question "how fast can i get my black belt"...

that sums up Americans and sums up perfectly the appeal of Tai Kwon Do.


martial arts in the US is a joke. in my opinion, either you train to fight and you fight.. or you dont fight, in which case its just exercise... and if its just exercise, great! but don't call it something it isn't... and don't pretend you are something you aren't. the single greatest problem with martial arts is that for the most part, it is about giving everyone a false sense of security.

there are few things funnier than the stunned and confused look on the face of a "bad ass" when you spar in class together for the first time and kick him or hit him hard enough to really make it hurt, to settle him down.

If you go to the right school, it doesn't matter what country you are taking classes in. I've taken martial arts for half my life, and I have been in far too many fights before I took martial arts, and have only been in one fight since starting martial arts.

If you are good at it, you don't get in fights in the first place

[Pleasurepays]

If you go to the right school, it doesn't matter what country you are taking classes in. I've taken martial arts for half my life, and I have been in far too many fights before I took martial arts, and have only been in one fight since starting martial arts.

If you are good at it, you don't get in fights in the first place

the question is about style. as i stated from the start... first and foremost, it matters who the student is and who's teaching. the US is the worst for watering everything down adn trying to sell fantasy rather than reality. the simple fact is that as a business, it doesn't work too well when you are trying to sell the reality of hard work, training hard, conditioning, hitting and getting hit. what sells, is the fantasy.

[steved]

the question is about style. as i stated from the start... first and foremost, it matters who the student is and who's teaching. the US is the worst for watering everything down adn trying to sell fantasy rather than reality. the simple fact is that as a business, it doesn't work too well when you are trying to sell the reality of hard work, training hard, conditioning, hitting and getting hit. what sells, is the fantasy.

Yes, there are the fantasy schools around here everywhere. I got lucky in finding a great school by word of mouth. I learned to fight out of necessity when I was younger, and then trained seriously once I found the right school.

These are the styles I've been studying over the years:

Kumiuchi Ryu JiuJitsu
American Kenpo Karate
Ed Parker's Kenpo
Shotokan Karate
Aikido

Not sure which styles are best, but I know a combination of everything is best, and stay away from flashy styles that are not effective in real situations.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

Profits of Doom you are a true fool

I don't expect an outsider like you to know your own ass from a hole in the ground... and how dare you try to excuse me !

And yea it is how I say it is, and yes there are secret close door groups... but an outsider like you would never know... Perhaps if you were born into it you would have some respect for such.

Here is an idea; go get yourself about 20 years of training and then open your mouth... Go ahead then and try to say such shit to some of the Chinese open door groups never mind the their close door members... They would kick your ass to China !!!

Fucking retard... People like you are the reason why there are close door groups...


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[Pleasurepays]

hahaha "an outsider like you"

classic. all arguments from here on are won by you by default, being an "insider"

20 years of training has nothing to do with anything. why not take your 20 years of training into the ring and throw down with Fedor Emilienenko or CroCop or any REAL fighter and show us all how an "insider" does it. your remarks are no different than the typical BS spewed by any other mystical moron that thinks he can catch bullets with his teeth... can you talk a lot fo shit? yes. can you prove any of it to be true? no. and why? are you going to rely on the age-old excuse that "what we train is just too deadly for the ring" as an out? or do you have something more creative?

people like YOU are the reasons there are "closed door groups" just like people like you were responsible for the popularity of Dungeons and Dragons and people like you camp out for 4 days on the street in your Jedi costume waiting for the opening of a new Star Wars movie

[Profits of Doom]

hahaha "an outsider like you"

classic. all arguments from here on are won by you by default, being an "insider"

20 years of training has nothing to do with anything. why not take your 20 years of training into the ring and throw down with Fedor Emilienenko or CroCop or any REAL fighter and show us all how an "insider" does it. your remarks are no different than the typical BS spewed by any other mystical moron that thinks he can catch bullets with his teeth... can you talk a lot fo shit? yes. can you prove any of it to be true? no. and why? are you going to rely on the age-old excuse that "what we train is just too deadly for the ring" as an out? or do you have something more creative?

people like YOU are the reasons there are "closed door groups" just like people like you were responsible for the popularity of Dungeons and Dragons and people like you camp out for 4 days on the street in your Jedi costume waiting for the opening of a new Star Wars movie

I was going to respond to him but I can't say it any better than this

[Pleasurepays]

I shouldn't have said anything before asking how many people he and his "closed group of ninjas" killed this week....

[GhengisBong]

BJJ all day

[~Wolf man~]

how come i never king-fu (wushu) fighters in MMA / Valetudo championships?

Kung fu is a sacred private martial art not for the western world (I.E.tournaments of such). and the ones who actually do list kung-fu on their profiles, get beat down severely.[QUOTE=NTM;12718776]The students are only as good as the master,thus the teacher must really suck art martial arts for this to be so.

is that crap just for show and has no practical fighting value?

Absolutely not (Real Kung Fu is mostly a weapons form Not a hand to hand form as such Point tournaments.
Sure there are hand techniques in Kung Fu,some of the best but it is mainly a weapons art.
The closest thing I can say to you seeing what it would be like for a real Kung Fu martial artist in a tournament point contest is way back in the 70s in Madisson Square gardens.
They banned it from there shortly after a fight in which a Kung Fu (Eagle style)artist ended a fight in under a minute by sticking his two fingers into an opponents eye sockets and plucking out both eyes in one simple eagle strike!Then he threw them out into the audience as his opponent fell blind for life to the ground.
Kung Fu is the game of death not for games of points.

[GhengisBong]

[QUOTE=~Wolf man~;12720190]Kung fu is a sacred private martial art not for the western world (I.E.tournaments of such). and the ones who actually do list kung-fu on their profiles, get beat down severely.

The students are only as good as the master,thus the teacher must really suck art martial arts for this to be so.
Absolutely not (Real Kung Fu is mostly a weapons form Not a hand to hand form as such Point tournaments.
Sure there are hand techniques in Kung Fu,some of the best but it is mainly a weapons art.
The closest thing I can say to you seeing what it would be like for a real Kung Fu martial artist in a tournament point contest is way back in the 70s in Madisson Square gardens.
They banned it from there shortly after a fight in which a Kung Fu (Eagle style)artist ended a fight in under a minute by sticking his two fingers into an opponents eye sockets and plucking out both eyes in one simple eagle strike!Then he threw them out into the audience as his opponent fell blind for life to the ground.
Kung Fu is the game of death not for games of points.

you serious about what happen @ MSG? lol wtf. hook me up wit ha link to the story.

[~Wolf man~]

[QUOTE=GhengisBong;12720197]

Kung fu is a sacred private martial art not for the western world (I.E.tournaments of such). and the ones who actually do list kung-fu on their profiles, get beat down severely.


you serious about what happen @ MSG? lol wtf. hook me up wit ha link to the story.

I dont have a link unfortunatley maybe someone else does I saw it on a Bruce Lee Documentary film on a VHS tape I got from a video store back when I was obsessed with Bruce.
I bought the tape way back in like 1992 in a video store in the $4.99 clearance bin and Im sure I do have it somewhere in a box.
It was really fucked up to see that footage,two guys face to face one strike!
I had to roll the tape back ten times to see what happened it was in black and white and you could see the guys eyes clearly stuck on the Eagle martial artists index and middle finger like some sort of Kabob!
Then he flicked them out into the audience one at a time and the other guy dropped like a stone to his knees sick ass shit but yes its the game of death now isnt it!

[GhengisBong]

Holy shit! Holy Shit! man this video should be uploaded

[~Wolf man~]

Holy shit! Holy Shit! man this video should be uploaded

Im not sure if there are many people who actually have this footage out there like I said this was like a cheap ass documentary I found back when that movie DRAGON came out way back int the day all these other wacko Bruce films/documentary type films and books came out.
Probrably just people trying to cash in on the Bruce Lee story.
Keep in mind this was before DVDs where on the market which hasnt even been that long ago but like I said Im not sure who might have the footage I had never seen it until that.
At the time I had been arguing with a friend of mine who was heavily into Japanese Hard form Shorin ryu about chinese style verses Japanese stlye and I can remember showing him the film.
After that he and I had come to the decision that every style is deadly and only the strong survive.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

In the mid 70s to early 80s there was so many people blinded with throwing stars that they had to ban such a martial art weapon and in many places they are prohibited... Personally I prefer throwing spikes.

When your dealing with a street fighter trying to stab you or if you are dealing with gang members who are most likely armed and they have every intention of killing you... You learn very quickly not to be nice. So you blind a piece of crap or puncture a vital organ and kill such scum... such crap will not be so quick if he or she does live through it to come after you.

I'm not kidding...

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[dig420]

BJJ all day

and all mothafucking night too

word

[dig420]

In the mid 70s to early 80s there was so many people blinded with throwing stars that they had to ban such a martial art weapon and in many places they are prohibited... Personally I prefer throwing spikes.

When your dealing with a street fighter trying to stab you or if you are dealing with gang members who are most likely armed and they have every intention of killing you... You learn very quickly not to be nice. So you blind a piece of crap or puncture a vital organ and kill such scum... such crap will not be so quick if he or she does live through it to come after you.

I'm not kidding...

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man shut the fuck up

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

or what dig420 ?

[dig420]

or what dig420 ?

or I'll chopsocky your dumb ass with my five point praying mantis touch of death motherfucker

[~Wolf man~]

In the mid 70s to early 80s there was so many people blinded with throwing stars that they had to ban such a martial art weapon and in many places they are prohibited... Personally I prefer throwing spikes.

When your dealing with a street fighter trying to stab you or if you are dealing with gang members who are most likely armed and they have every intention of killing you... You learn very quickly not to be nice. So you blind a piece of crap or puncture a vital organ and kill such scum... such crap will not be so quick if he or she does live through it to come after you.

I'm not kidding...

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Sounds like you grew up in a rough neighborhood to me man.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

Studied some five point praying mantis under a retard teacher called josh up here in Winnipeg... Many of the families are very close.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

Sounds like you grew up in a rough neighborhood to me man.

Its no fun being broke and being forced to live in scummy areas !

[~Wolf man~]

Studied some five point praying mantis under a retard teacher called josh up here in Winnipeg... Many of the families are very close.

Mantis Rules!

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

I'm fine with Mantis, but the teacher, no wait... instructor is a retard who should not be teaching...

My father was the head teacher of the Manitoba Special Studies Association.

( MSSA ) for short... and had over 1000 students and had taught many teachers who now live around the world... Later on he only taught to a few select people of his new generation of materials, and I just happed to be lucky for him to teach me his private materials; being his son ...

I am considering continuing the family art but not to the general public.

I don't have any clip art to show you... ^^

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[dig420]

Studied some five point praying mantis under a retard teacher called josh up here in Winnipeg... Many of the families are very close.

I just made that shit up. Just goes to show you there's some kind of fucked up kung fu for any random phrase.

Where do u live? You need to come train some BJJ, get yourself a little reality check son.