MPA 3 or NATS

[BigFire]

What do you prefer, sponsors using MPA3 or NATS or a 3rd script?
Do you join a program because it uses a specific affiliate program scripts or do you not join a program because it uses a specific script?

[TidalWave]

i heard that NATS was just hacked or something

[BigFire]

i heard that NATS was just hacked or something

Do you have some more details?

[TidalWave]

Notice:
i have no idea on their backend setup or anything regarding Too Much Media, but this is what i just learned


all i have is this from an anonymous someone:

(2:04:27 AM) there is a problem with CMS
(2:04:30 AM) the main admin pass of Toomuch media for all their setups were hacked and published on the net

[slavdogg]

programs that use NATS are guaranteed to get more traffic.
Simple as that.

[BigFire]

Notice:
i have no idea on their backend setup or anything regarding Too Much Media, but this is what i just learned


all i have is this from an anonymous someone:

(2:04:27 AM) there is a problem with CMS
(2:04:30 AM) the main admin pass of Toomuch media for all their setups were hacked and published on the net

changing the main admin pass would be a quick fix

[The Sultan Of Smut]

I avoid programs that use MPA3 after the shave module in the previous version. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.

[BigFire]

programs that use NATS are guaranteed to get more traffic.
Simple as that.

Who else agrees on that?

[ServerGenius]

programs that use NATS are guaranteed to get more traffic.
Simple as that.

Programs that use MPA3 are guaranteed to get more sales......fuck traffic

[BigFire]

Programs that use MPA3 are guaranteed to get more sales......fuck traffic

Both offer cascading, why would you think so?

[BigFire]

I avoid programs that use MPA3 after the shave module in the previous version. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.

So you think they still have a shave option?

[BigFire]

Is where somewhere an overview of companies using MPA3 and other scripts? For nats I saw the list on their site. I remember I saw once a sponsor list site that had teh script beside each name but I can't remember the url anymore

[J B]

Is where somewhere an overview of companies using MPA3 and other scripts? For nats I saw the list on their site. I remember I saw once a sponsor list site that had teh script beside each name but I can't remember the url anymore

NATS Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?stats_system=NATS

MPA3 Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?stats_system=MPA3
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?processor=8 (Epoch MPA3)

X3 Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.ph...%20Partnersoft

ES Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.ph...cutive%20Stats

[CarlosTheGaucho]

I avoid programs that use MPA3 after the shave module in the previous version. Fool me once, shame on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.

This is old, Mansion did a great work at their end with the new MPA3 and I am sure companies like Hustler or Playboy are a reference enough..

I was solving the same question - MPA3 won because they were able to react and explain me every detail of their setup and all the cool features they have, NATS never replied on my enquiry (nothing wrong with them they are a busy company but I needed to decide quickly).

[ro8in]

I chose NATS because of their great support, but since Steve left at toomuchmedia I must say support has been going more slow..

Steve always came up with a perfect solution and fast, but things have been different since he's gone..

Their support is still not bad dont get me wrong, just it isn't as good as it used to be..

[TMM_John]

Notice:
i have no idea on their backend setup or anything regarding Too Much Media, but this is what i just learned


all i have is this from an anonymous someone:

(2:04:27 AM) there is a problem with CMS
(2:04:30 AM) the main admin pass of Toomuch media for all their setups were hacked and published on the net

Do you have proof of this or are you just making damaging accusations based on things you "heard". You do realize the amount of damages misinformation can cause us right?

And on top of that there is no "main admin pass of Toomuch media for all their setups". I don't know where you're getting your information, but be careful what you post that isn't true.

Also, our passwords are changed on a frequent basis as everyone should practice.

I would ask the security community who they feel is the most secure 3rd party affiliate software in the adult biz. You would be amazed how vulnerable some solutions are. Ours is very secure.

[TMM_John]

I chose NATS because of their great support, but since Steve left at toomuchmedia I must say support has been going more slow..

Steve always came up with a perfect solution and fast, but things have been different since he's gone..

Their support is still not bad dont get me wrong, just it isn't as good as it used to be..

Thank you for the feedback. Although I would prefer it direct so I'm sure to get it rather than on a message board.

Our guys have been relatively busy fixing some of the "fixes" Steve implemented before he left.

If you continue to have any issues with speed please let me know directly.

[TMM_John]

Is where somewhere an overview of companies using MPA3 and other scripts? For nats I saw the list on their site. I remember I saw once a sponsor list site that had teh script beside each name but I can't remember the url anymore

That is no where near a complete list. There are hundreds. Statsremote would be a good place to start for a larger list as is provided above.

[TMM_John]

To answer your original question...

NATS it the most feature rich, most widely distributed, and most trusted and tested 3rd party affiliate solution available.

That said, it is not a perfect fit for every single person. You should take a good look at the various solutions out there and choose which you think will fit what you need best.

[ServerGenius]

Both offer cascading, why would you think so?

It was a sarcastic reply to the post I quoted as what he claimed is as false
as I did in the reply

It's total bullshit....

[TMM_John]

It was a sarcastic reply to the post I quoted as what he claimed is as false
as I did in the reply

It's total bullshit....

I don't think he meant NATS causes traffic to magically be more. I think he was saying that more affiliates prefer NATS over MPA3 therefore the end result is more traffic. At least, that is what I took his comments to mean. You may again think they are bullshit

[ServerGenius]

The whole discussion about what software programs use is useless. It's much
more relevant to discuss or question the people who are using it as that's what
mostly determines if you get screwed or not.

The whole shaving modules scripts etc is nonsense too anyone who wants
to shave is able to do so......even if you use CCbill and their third party
affiliate software system. People who shave using scripts are not only
scammers they're also incredible stupid for a number of different reasons.

Hint: It's not smart to store proof that you screw people. Not only will you
get caught shaving by someone sooner or later.....when the IRS comes in
to check your stuff you'll present them with the perfect data they need
to fine the shit out of you......

The easiest and safest way by FAR to shave is to manually "cancel" affiliate
sent members so recurring payouts are stopped....whitout that the member
really cancelled his membership. There's not a single system that can prevent
this.

The whole affiliate software war/bashing is getting old and it just makes the
people who fight it look stupid......

Finally getting all paranoid by wondering if you get shaved or not is stupid
and doesn't help you in any way. Here's 2 reasons why you shouldn't

1: Any program that shaves too much is stealing from himself coz their
affiliates will stop promoting them.

2: The only thing you should look at is traffic sent versus revenue made.
If you're not happy with the return switch program....problem solved.

Accusing or suspecting you get robbed makes no difference whether it's
true or not, you can't proof it and even if you can there's nothing you can
do about it.

There's probably programs that after shave still make you more money than
a lot of programs that don't shave......and that says it all.....as long as you
are satisfied with the return on the traffic you sent why bother about anything else?

If you're not happy or suspect people from robbing you.....move on that hurts
the program more than crying about it on a message board. I wouldn't even
mention it unless I would have undeniable proof they're robbing from everyone
And I'd do it only to warn others about so they can check their stats and see
if they should move on or not..

Any other bullshit hurst nobody else than yourself.....and will cost you much
more money than a few bucks that maybe got shaved off during a sales period.

Now I'm pretty dumb so that means that if I understand this many more do
which leads me to believe that the ones who make a habit of this kind of
drama are the ones that just use anything as an excuse for their own failure
to make money.......but since I'm stupid I could be wrong

[TMM_John]

The whole discussion about what software programs use is useless. It's much
more relevant to discuss or question the people who are using it as that's what
mostly determines if you get screwed or not.

The whole shaving modules scripts etc is nonsense too anyone who wants
to shave is able to do so......even if you use CCbill and their third party
affiliate software system. People who shave using scripts are not only
scammers they're also incredible stupid for a number of different reasons.

Hint: It's not smart to store proof that you screw people. Not only will you
get caught shaving by someone sooner or later.....when the IRS comes in
to check your stuff you'll present them with the perfect data they need
to fine the shit out of you......

The easiest and safest way by FAR to shave is to manually "cancel" affiliate
sent members so recurring payouts are stopped....whitout that the member
really cancelled his membership. There's not a single system that can prevent
this.

The whole affiliate software war/bashing is getting old and it just makes the
people who fight it look stupid......

Finally getting all paranoid by wondering if you get shaved or not is stupid
and doesn't help you in any way. Here's 2 reasons why you shouldn't

1: Any program that shaves too much is stealing from himself coz their
affiliates will stop promoting them.

2: The only thing you should look at is traffic sent versus revenue made.
If you're not happy with the return switch program....problem solved.

Accusing or suspecting you get robbed makes no difference whether it's
true or not, you can't proof it and even if you can there's nothing you can
do about it.

There's probably programs that after shave still make you more money than
a lot of programs that don't shave......and that says it all.....as long as you
are satisfied with the return on the traffic you sent why bother about anything else?

If you're not happy or suspect people from robbing you.....move on that hurts
the program more than crying about it on a message board. I wouldn't even
mention it unless I would have undeniable proof they're robbing from everyone
And I'd do it only to warn others about so they can check their stats and see
if they should move on or not..

Any other bullshit hurst nobody else than yourself.....and will cost you much
more money than a few bucks that maybe got shaved off during a sales period.

Now I'm pretty dumb so that means that if I understand this many more do
which leads me to believe that the ones who make a habit of this kind of
drama are the ones that just use anything as an excuse for their own failure
to make money.......but since I'm stupid I could be wrong

I'm about to get on a plane so I'll have to keep this short.

But since you brought up the shaving thing in such detail. Its not the fact of can or can't shave. Its the fact of encouraging and aiding and assisting shaving vs. taking the opposite approach of being 110% against it.

Those who can't see the difference on that confuse me.

edit: as far as your comment about the fact that you should not blindly look at the software a program is using but rather you should look at the people behind it I agree 100%. You should also look at the people who work for them, the people who own and work for their host, who they process with, and who is behind the software and services they use (affiliate software, content, etc.) as well.

[ServerGenius]

I don't think he meant NATS causes traffic to magically be more. I think he was saying that more affiliates prefer NATS over MPA3 therefore the end result is more traffic. At least, that is what I took his comments to mean. You may again think they are bullshit

hmm I don't see why it's an advantage what other affiliates think or promote
how does it positively affect your sales....

In fact I'd even say that the affiliates that base their decision on what software
is being used aren't the affiliates that do serious volumes of sales.....anyone
who is smart enough to make high volumes sales are also smart enough to
understand that picking sponsors by the software they use isn't the best
strategy to make money......

Don't get me wrong.....we I had a misunderstanding with you before about
your software.....I think NATS is without a shadow of a doubt one of the best
affiliate program software out there....(out of a total of 2 maybe 3 commercial software packages available) I just think that you can't say nats or any other
is THE BEST of all, it depends mostly on what and how the person buying it
is going to use it.....

Nats has TONS of features....probably more than others.....but nobody needs
all of them.....and when you don't need half of them the non used are only
wasted in resources being used for nothing.......

People that need affiliate software should take their decision by analyzing
what software fits best to their requirements....instead of chosing by brand.

The best solution for you isn't necessarily the best for me......but I don't
have to teach you this you know better than me......everyone who just
gets what people suggest they should use on a message board are the ones
that take a lease license and have 100 members tops......and probably go
tits up within the first year.......there's always the odd exception of course
but you get the idea

I understand you may not want to comment on that coz obviously you also
make money on selling lease licenses....nothing wrong with that either.....it's
not your responsibility to make programs successfull other than your own

[webmasterchecks]

i heard that NATS was just hacked or something

you have to be careful before you say things like that

[CarlosTheGaucho]

The whole discussion about what software programs use is useless. It's much
more relevant to discuss or question the people who are using it as that's what
mostly determines if you get screwed or not.

The whole shaving modules scripts etc is nonsense too anyone who wants
to shave is able to do so......even if you use CCbill and their third party
affiliate software system. People who shave using scripts are not only
scammers they're also incredible stupid for a number of different reasons.

Hint: It's not smart to store proof that you screw people. Not only will you
get caught shaving by someone sooner or later.....when the IRS comes in
to check your stuff you'll present them with the perfect data they need
to fine the shit out of you......

The easiest and safest way by FAR to shave is to manually "cancel" affiliate
sent members so recurring payouts are stopped....whitout that the member
really cancelled his membership. There's not a single system that can prevent
this.

The whole affiliate software war/bashing is getting old and it just makes the
people who fight it look stupid......

Finally getting all paranoid by wondering if you get shaved or not is stupid
and doesn't help you in any way. Here's 2 reasons why you shouldn't

1: Any program that shaves too much is stealing from himself coz their
affiliates will stop promoting them.

2: The only thing you should look at is traffic sent versus revenue made.
If you're not happy with the return switch program....problem solved.

Accusing or suspecting you get robbed makes no difference whether it's
true or not, you can't proof it and even if you can there's nothing you can
do about it.

There's probably programs that after shave still make you more money than
a lot of programs that don't shave......and that says it all.....as long as you
are satisfied with the return on the traffic you sent why bother about anything else?

If you're not happy or suspect people from robbing you.....move on that hurts
the program more than crying about it on a message board. I wouldn't even
mention it unless I would have undeniable proof they're robbing from everyone
And I'd do it only to warn others about so they can check their stats and see
if they should move on or not..

Any other bullshit hurst nobody else than yourself.....and will cost you much
more money than a few bucks that maybe got shaved off during a sales period.

Now I'm pretty dumb so that means that if I understand this many more do
which leads me to believe that the ones who make a habit of this kind of
drama are the ones that just use anything as an excuse for their own failure
to make money.......but since I'm stupid I could be wrong

Amen dude!

Come over to Prague for a weekend from 9th! We'll get some drinks..

[TMM_John]

hmm I don't see why it's an advantage what other affiliates think or promote
how does it positively affect your sales....

In fact I'd even say that the affiliates that base their decision on what software
is being used aren't the affiliates that do serious volumes of sales.....anyone
who is smart enough to make high volumes sales are also smart enough to
understand that picking sponsors by the software they use isn't the best
strategy to make money......

Don't get me wrong.....we I had a misunderstanding with you before about
your software.....I think NATS is without a shadow of a doubt one of the best
affiliate program software out there....(out of a total of 2 maybe 3 commercial software packages available) I just think that you can't say nats or any other
is THE BEST of all, it depends mostly on what and how the person buying it
is going to use it.....

Nats has TONS of features....probably more than others.....but nobody needs
all of them.....and when you don't need half of them the non used are only
wasted in resources being used for nothing.......

People that need affiliate software should take their decision by analyzing
what software fits best to their requirements....instead of chosing by brand.

The best solution for you isn't necessarily the best for me......but I don't
have to teach you this you know better than me......everyone who just
gets what people suggest they should use on a message board are the ones
that take a lease license and have 100 members tops......and probably go
tits up within the first year.......there's always the odd exception of course
but you get the idea

I understand you may not want to comment on that coz obviously you also
make money on selling lease licenses....nothing wrong with that either.....it's
not your responsibility to make programs successfull other than your own

My program isn't very successful. It exists more so I have a place to test certain new things without screwing up a client and so I can keep a pulse on what is going on in the biz from the program owners point of view. It is a test bed 10 fold more than a money maker.

That said, I don't know why you claim to know how big our clients are and that so many have 100 members tops.

Many affiliates prefer NATS because they can get what they want quickly and easily and they are familiar with it. This will be even more relevant once v4 is released in the coming months.

This goes for big and small affiliates.

I think MPA has done a good job of fixing their image over the past few years and I think their product is improved. I hope they keep improving it as it drives me to make sure NATS stays one step ahead.

As you said and as I said before. Not every peg fits in every hole. My personal feelings aside I'm sure MPA is a better solution for some people. IMO the NATS peg just fits in many more holes comfortably.

To each his own.

[Pete-KT]

With the gret support and the tech team over at TooMuchMedia, i preffer nats over any of the other solutions and they have always been there when I have a question about how to implement certain tools we have built for our affiliates.

For the last 3 years we have only run NATS and we wanna take this time to say thanks to John and Charlie

[ServerGenius]

My program isn't very successful. It exists more so I have a place to test certain new things without screwing up a client and so I can keep a pulse on what is going on in the biz from the program owners point of view. It is a test bed 10 fold more than a money maker.

That said, I don't know why you claim to know how big our clients are and that so many have 100 members tops.

Many affiliates prefer NATS because they can get what they want quickly and easily and they are familiar with it. This will be even more relevant once v4 is released in the coming months.

This goes for big and small affiliates.

I think MPA has done a good job of fixing their image over the past few years and I think their product is improved. I hope they keep improving it as it drives me to make sure NATS stays one step ahead.

As you said and as I said before. Not every peg fits in every hole. My personal feelings aside I'm sure MPA is a better solution for some people. IMO the NATS peg just fits in many more holes comfortably.

To each his own.

Yeah I agree I wasn't trying to say anything negative about your clients
and how many members they have.....anyone can figure that out looking
at those programs and see how they're doing.....

also didn't mean anything with mentioning your own sites....I could have
said your business whatever it is.....I don't know why you keep thinking
I have something against you or your business.....coz I don't I actually
tried to say.....NATS is amongst the best what's available....only thing
I said there's not 1 BEST for everybody which is obvious and not negative
in any way and yes without any competition it wouldn't be as good as it
is today.....

[BigFire]

NATS Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?stats_system=NATS

MPA3 Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?stats_system=MPA3
http://www.statsremote.com/search.php?processor=8 (Epoch MPA3)

X3 Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.ph...%20Partnersoft

ES Sponsors:
http://www.statsremote.com/search.ph...cutive%20Stats

Thank you

[BigFire]

This has become a very interesting thread but what I would really like to know is how much the script affects the decision of an average webmaster in pushing a program or not.
Come on guys post your thoughts

[Marshal]

i heard that NATS was just hacked or something

i would rather say something else was compromised and the nats password was decrypted from mysql db... just a thought...

[CarlosTheGaucho]

This has become a very interesting thread but what I would really like to know is how much the script affects the decision of an average webmaster in pushing a program or not.
Come on guys post your thoughts

Pseudoaffection - as Hans aka Servergenius said and I agree with him.

You can find killer programs using just about any kind of those very reliable and mentioned affiliate backends..

[The Sultan Of Smut]

So you think they still have a shave option?

I have no idea.

This is old

So what. I realize that it's not the tool but who wields it but the whole idea that Mansion figured it gave them a competitive advantage to include an option to fuck over affiliates is disgusting.

[OY]

I'm about to get on a plane so I'll have to keep this short.

But since you brought up the shaving thing in such detail. Its not the fact of can or can't shave. Its the fact of encouraging and aiding and assisting shaving vs. taking the opposite approach of being 110% against it.

Those who can't see the difference on that confuse me.

edit: as far as your comment about the fact that you should not blindly look at the software a program is using but rather you should look at the people behind it I agree 100%. You should also look at the people who work for them, the people who own and work for their host, who they process with, and who is behind the software and services they use (affiliate software, content, etc.) as well.

John, I absolutely agree with you here. And we all know that if either company / software at this point in time would be caught aiding the program owners in making shaving possible or easy it would mean the DOOM of their entire business and I can wholeheartedly say that that is not what we want.

It is the longevity of our business that is interesting and wanting to be in business for many years to come that makes it well worth the while to ensure that a software like MPA3 or any competitor alike keeps a completely clean line of business.

Companies choose a software for is dependency and reputation, features and support - it should be the KEY factor to check into this before making a decision on which software and company to go with.

We took a very firm stand on this years ago and have never looked back. Here is an example I think people should know about and take to heart: http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece....&mi=all&q=mpa3

[TMM_John]

John, I absolutely agree with you here. And we all know that if either company / software at this point in time would be caught aiding the program owners in making shaving possible or easy it would mean the DOOM of their entire business and I can wholeheartedly say that that is not what we want.

It is the longevity of our business that is interesting and wanting to be in business for many years to come that makes it well worth the while to ensure that a software like MPA3 or any competitor alike keeps a completely clean line of business.

Companies choose a software for is dependency and reputation, features and support - it should be the KEY factor to check into this before making a decision on which software and company to go with.

We took a very firm stand on this years ago and have never looked back. Here is an example I think people should know about and take to heart: http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece....&mi=all&q=mpa3

I only disagree with you when you say "at this point in time". IMO being caught doing so at any point in time is relevant.

I understand you now have a stand against it and I am glad to see it. However, I see you doing so as a business decision. To me it is more of a moral issue. It's really as simple as right vs. wrong and goes back to what was mentioned earlier that if you make more money with sponsor A and they shave then that is ok.

To me, it isn't. I'd rather make a lesser, fair dollar amount with sponsor B than use someone who is cheating me just because I make a few extra dollars now. Sponsor B will be a much more lucrative relationship in the long run.