Porner's Manifesto - How to fix your industry

[mattsbeachhouse]

Now, before you read this and flame me to death, read through the entire post. This is what I have seen what is wrong with your industry. Many are concerned about slow sales, declining sales, little to no work, etc... If you want to minimize your damage, read through this and try to use any idea that will help you. I don't think this will be a complete fix for your industry but it will help some of you stay in business longer. So don't flame me, just accept someone who wants to see adult content continue well into the future.

The other evening, I responded to Mike South?s weblog. Earlier he discussed why the adult industry is feeling the pinch with down sales across the board from distributors, major companies, programs, and webmasters. I offered my view on what is wrong with the porn industry and ideas on how to fix it. I wanted to share the same information with my readers but expand on it a little bit more. Now I do not believe it will completely fix what is ailing the adult world currently, but any little bit would surely help slow the bleeding some.

Webmasters

Problem: The first thing I mentioned was for websites that are feeling the pinch to lower their prices especially in the down economy. Webmasters everywhere are claiming that slow sales is hurting them and that some are even going out of business. Well, my friends, thats what happens when any business does not plan ahead. One needs to look no further than the GFY threads and you will quickly see threads based around foolish webmasters buying brand new cars, silly toys, etc? They fail to realize that their customers today are not as stupid as they once were. Many of their constant sales have found other avenues for their porn fix through torrent sites, newsgroups, etc? While the issue of piracy is simple enough to blame lost sales on, webmasters now have to worry about sites like PornoTube stealing what would be their next sale. Ever since I can recall following the adult industry, many webmasters could care less about the future. They cared about converting the traffic into sales for today. Like most, everyone considered porn would always be in demand. No one could forsee the recession that was headed our way. Still, these webmasters continued to spend their quick cash faster than many made it. These same webmasters would quickly screw over a customer in order to make a sale, sometimes even hidden cross sales without the customer?s knowlegde. Theres no quicker suicide for business than stealing from your customers. Add to it pages that were updated sporadically, if ever.

Solution: Quit screwing over your customers. Be straight with them. At least attempt to update information instead of insulting them. How long has Tawney Stone been 19? Umm, since the site started years ago? We are all happy to make money. But seriously, if you don?t provide any updated content, do you honestly expect to retain those customers after they have seen virtually everything on the site? Those webmasters with skills, help out the newbies so that they can do things the right way. Offer your services for free?.yeah?I said it, for free. Not all of the time but pro-bono work sometimes has a way of finding more work coming back your way. You never know who will have huge success and one day, you might need a favor as well.

Female Talent


Problem: Let?s get one thing straight. You have sex for money. Pure and simple. While I would agree this is an art form, it what it is. The only difference between a porn star and an escort is there is a camera involved. Yet, many of these stars tend to smoke the diva hash pipe. These so called stars are hot the day they arrive but once they have been around for awhile, a new girl comes right in to replace you. It doesn?t mean to get an attitude. I wrote on South?s page about a story that I once experienced with a porn star.

I overheard this porn chick one day at Starbucks in LA. Her and her agent were talking about how to increase her popularity and you can imagine the same bullshit. Go on KSex, web sites, radio, etc? So I mention the same things I just did above and the porner looked back at me and said and I quote: ?Are you fucking stupid? Why would I ever want to fuck any of my fans? Have you ever seen my fans? They are fucking gross and fat. Why do you think they have to jerk off to me? The day I fuck my fans is the day I become a whore.? Now imagine that. I simply replied, you fuck for money, youre a whore.

Seriously, I have never seen an industry that ignores their fans the way porn stars do. Not to mention, these same stars are the ones who think they should be immune to the down times by charging the same rates to producers. I am unsure if anyone has tried to sit them down and explain that what they do isn?t that difficult to find someone else to do. Unless you shoot fireworks out of your vagina, you have sex on camera. It?s not something you went to college for. You do not need a special degree for it. You lay down, you have sex, and then take a brick in the mouth. But to listen to some girls, you would think they are curing world hunger or cancer. The only cancer they may be preventing is prostate cancer but thats still open to debate.

Solution: I know its hard but try to care about your fans. Afterall, if you did not have them, where would you be other than in some club trying to get noticed? Give something back to those who pay your bills and I am not talking about the director or producer. They get laid enough. You want to make a difference, try laying one of your fans. Get passed the fact that they do not look like your normal porn partners. So what? In a few years, you will not be as hot as the chick they will be supporting with their hard earned cash then. Build for your future. Ensure a fan for life. I promise you, one day your current fame or vision of fame will fade and what will you be? Unless your name is Jenna Jameson, you will pretty much be an afterthought to the new generation of porn consumers, not to mention having to compete with new Nicole Graves, Kerri Sables, Melissa Midwests, Allison Angels, etc? Remember, everything you do now will only help you in the future. Then again, you can go away like Janine and then come back and fizzle. Who really cared when she came back? I mean where else could you find tattooed girls that were hot? Oh yeah, suicide girls. No need for Janine. Imagine what a live phone call to one of your fans would do? Furthermore, unless you are an A list celeb, forget your limitations. I cannot count how many models has a list with a ton of don?ts or that they will work with only their own partner. Seriously, if you get hired to do a scene, you are getting hired. Not your preferred partner or boyfriend. Why should some director or producer change their niche or content just to get you on film? Furthermore, quit expecting kill fees. It comes with business. We know its important for you to make all the cash you can but if you are losing money on a shoot, I guarrantee the company, crew, producer, etc.. are all losing money as well. Why should you be treated any different? Do a free shoot once in a while for newbies in the business. Like webmasters, you never know who will be successful. How nice would it be once your career has ran its course and you find yourself needing work. You can always call back on the guy you helped out? Better yet, perhaps helping a new content creator out will prevent them from screwing over future models when it comes time to pay them. If you do not do a great scene you were hired to do, do not feel ashamed to not accept full payment. If you are a professional, you should always perform professionally. Leave your gossip and drama off the set. Show up on time and be ready to work. Quit charging directors for the time you spend in make up. Do you think McDonalds pays their employees to get ready to do their job? On the subject of makeup, STOP! If you need make up to look good, then youre not all that hot to begin with.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Producers/Directors/Content Creators



Problem: Please learn your craft. I cannot say it enough. Learn to white balance correctly. Use a tripod. We get it. You’re gonzo. You’re hip, happening, artistic, visionaries, etc… Ok. But hold the camera still. Rubbing one out to some of today’s movies is equivalent to jerking off in a car on a bumpy road. Build your scenes. Make people want to be the guy on the screen. There is a reason sites like Naughty America is doing great business. The chicks are hot and the video is usually pretty good. Sites like Amatuer Allure are always setting the bar for having the hottest chicks with the best quality. Give your customers something extra. Cut your scenes down some. Does it take the average guy 30-45 minutes to rub one out?

Solution: Even the reality porn sites incorrectly reflect reality. Less is more. Really it is. Provide some serious content rather than “Hi, my name is….” right into action. I am not saying write an actual scene but for the reality sites, why not make it seem like we actually to get to know the real girl (not her on screen persona) before rubbing one out? Let us see some genuine laughter and fun. How many times have you met a girl and then went straight into oral? If so, does she have a sister you can hook me up with? Seriously, provide your customers with something that they want to keep. Make them want to come back. Oh yeah, quit selling your content to every webmaster that is willing to pay. All you are doing is devaluing your content and worth not to mention over exposing the model with the same thing. (Sobegirl is notorious for this.) If you have content that isn’t up to your quality, donate it to someone else who can use it who is just starting out. Goodwill goes a long way. Kharma baby! Like webmasters and female talent, take someone under your wing and show them the ins and outs of this business. Success isn’t only what you acquire, its what you pass along to those lives you come in contact with. Why was Burt Reynold’s character so likeable in Boogie Nights? He generally seemed to care about his crew and talent. He fed them, housed them, let them swim in his pool. It wasn’t until he was an asshole that his stubborn ways began to cost him money…starting to see a pattern here? Build friendships, not business partners. If the porn industry ceased to exist today, what would many of you have left? Friends are priceless. Pay your crew and talent well, but most of all PAY THEM! If the girl does an awesome job, throw her some extra cash. Sure it cuts into your bottom line but think about that inevitable future where your talent flakes and you need a quick fill in. Who do you think will be the first to show up?

Programs/Sponsors

Problem: Perhaps its the “in” thing to do these days but why do you feel the need to offer all these trips, iPods, iPhones, dates, cash prizes, etc… to your affliates? I get that they make you money. That’s cool. But don’t you think your customers are more deserving? Imagine what would happen if once a month, a customer won $5000? Or five customers won $1000? You just made a sale for life. Oh yeah, they just called their friends and bragged that that they won something cool on a web site. What do you think their friend is gonna do? He’s going to join! He gets content and a chance to win something. Because right now, Joe Customer has a choice. I can join a newsgroup service and download all the porn I want for $20/mo or I can join a site and maybe get something back. What do you think a $5000 customer would do first? I bet he extends his membership for another year. Always reward loyalty. Whether he is a customer for a month or 10 years, he is considered loyal because he gave you money for something, you gave him nothing. He gave you his business, you did not give him yours.

Solution: Price your site to reflect the economy. Many programs and their affliates are bitching that sales are down. Well duh dumbasses. Did you really expect someone with less money today compared to five years ago to continue to paying the same price? Don’t even start with the inflation argument. Everything has gotten cheaper to produce. The problem is many of you do not want to lose your margins. Better to relax your margins today rather than close your doors tomorrow. PAY your affliates. Pay those who are working their asses off so you can make money. If they make you a sale, pay them. Pay them. Pay them. Oh yeah, PAY THEM! You might not think its a big deal shaving here and shaving there, but times are tough all over. They need to eat just like you. Only they wont be eating steak but at least they still eat. Here’s another bright idea, pay some newbie who just started extra once in awhile. Do you not think an unannounced or unexpected bonus will make that affliate work that much harder to drive sales and traffic to your site? There is a reason businesses offer bonuses. It helps employee morale. It inspires employees to work harder. Without your employees, you have no business! If a girl gives you an awesome scene and its driving customers to sign up because of it, try sending her a little extra cash down the road. Do you think maybe she’ll come back later on and work just as hard? Sometime it pays to share the wealth. Quit hiding cross checked sales from your customers. There is a reason Visa charges a startup cost and it rhymes with “largebacks”. Unauthorized sales are the number reason for chargebacks with poor/lack of quality content running a close second. Stealing from your customer is a sure death knell and speaks largely about the kind of assholes that run the company.

Overall Porn Community

Problem: You are not a family. You are nothing like it was back in the 70s and 80s. Back then, friends got together to make money. Nowadays, partners who make money become friends. Seriously, have fun. Make some friends, be a family. Take care of one another.

Solution: If you create a nice circle of friends and forget that you are all competing for the same business, then success will come for your circle. Forget making success about you. Make it about your family. Party together, barbecue together, fuck each other together. Combine your efforts for the common goal…NOT MONEY…but fun. The money will or will not come. Having fun is the only thing you can control. Quit selling each other out just to make a dollar. What you lose today is nearly impossible to get back tomorrow. Have fun and get each other laid. If you have skills or services, offer them to somone else out of the blue with no expectation of anything in return. FREE? “Screw that,” you say? This is why your industry suffers at every turn. You collectively belong to the same fraternity, better yet, sorority who continually back stabs one another. Sometimes its not even about money (read Amber Lynn), its just boredom and drama queen syndrome. Be proud of the life that you chose instead of hiding in secrecy. You chose this career. It did not choose you. Stand up for your rights and the rights of your customers (read FSC). Do something for others without expectations of press coverage, releases, or even a thank you. Have an extra video or digital camera, help someone out. You can give a man a fish…wait that sucks. You can give a man a chick and he can have sex for a day. You can teach a man how to score chicks and he can get laid for life. You know where I am going with it. Volunteer your time for things outside your business. Give people a reason to associate porners with something other being a blight. Many sleazy companies do plenty of charity work and are given a free pass because of it. Before all of you start crying about doing something for free, you are ensuring future business. the RIAA and MPAA have found out the hard way what consumers want and the consumers fought back. Just like them, the adult industry will suffer the same fate at the hands of the now-educated consumer.

I am sure I have pissed off nearly everyone. But if you have read this far and are angry, read back through it. Every point I have made makes perfect sense. Afterall, the way you have done it to this point isn’t exactly working any more now is it? I am sure there is a webmaster out there giving me the middle finger right now or a female talent telling me to GFY. I am sure there is a director or producer that will have a ton of reasons for doing what they do. Same for programs. Angry as you may be, this is the truth. This is all involved are suffering. Those that have prepared well will continue to do fine. Those that haven’t, perhaps now is a good time to rethink your business model or at the very least consider what I have written and give it a try. You could always tell me to piss off and I have no clue about what I am talking about. I mean afterall, I am a former porn customer, what do I know?

Matt!

[Libertine]

Let me be the first to say that the time you spent writing all that was entirely wasted. Both because nobody will listen to you, and because most of what you're saying is either obvious or complete nonsense.

[mattsbeachhouse]

I don't believe it will be entirely wasted as someone with common sense will read it and actually use some of the ideas and stay in business. If that happens, then I accomplished alot more than I did before I had written it. Those that glance over it or choose to ignore it will be the ones crying later on as they exit the business.

[TMM_John]

And you are?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

I don't believe it will be entirely wasted as someone with common sense will read it and actually use some of the ideas and stay in business. If that happens, then I accomplished alot more than I did before I had written it. Those that glance over it or choose to ignore it will be the ones crying later on as they exit the business.

Someone with both common sense and just the slightest bit of knowledge about this industry will realize that you're pretty much an idiot, and will ignore your worthless rant.

My apologies for being so blunt.

[mattsbeachhouse]

An independent film maker with no dog in this fight other than I enjoy content. I have friends that work in your industry who are suffering the same as many. I am nothing more than someone who wishes to see what has given me so much entertainment continue.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Someone with both common sense and just the slightest bit of knowledge about this industry will realize that you're pretty much an idiot, and will ignore your worthless rant.

My apologies for being so blunt.

Its not a rant. This is why your business is now suffering. Its not the economy or piracy. Its stale business models and the refusal for adaption.

[munki]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

And you are?

Brilliantly clueless from the exhaustive read I just got through...

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by munki

Brilliantly clueless from the exhaustive read I just got through...

Care to disprove any point I made?

[munki]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Care to disprove any point I made?

Not especially to be frank... I've found in my short time on this planet that pissing matches lead to nothing but empty bladders...

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by munki

Not especially to be frank... I've found in my short time on this planet that pissing matches lead to nothing but empty bladders...

Honest question, how is it a pissing match? Using one idea, any idea that I provided could result in more sales. You act as if I said to throw in the towel and dump your content on the open market. But then again, maybe you are proving my point worrying about the sale today and not the longevity of the future.

[Steve Awesome]

This is what I got out of your rant...

Webmaster Problem: Webmasters spend lotsa money and don't care about the future
Webmaster Solution: Stop lying about product and offer your services for free.

Female Talent Problem: Porn chicks are stupid
Female Talent Solution: Stop lying to yourself and work for free (oh and fuck fans).

Producers/Directors/Content Creators Problem: You suck at what you do
Producers/Directors/Content Creators Solution: Take a class and sell exclusive only (oh and pay chicks more $)

Programs/Sponsors Problem: You hate each other
Programs/Sponsors Solution: Love one another, come together now, smile on your brother.

[Robbie]

mattsbeachhouse, your post would be helpful to someone just starting out. But those guys...let's face it, aren't gonna be running a program anytime soon anyway.

You make some great points. But I have to tell you that everyone that is anyone has already thought those same thoughts long time ago.

As The Beatles sang on all you need is love: "Nothing you can do, that can't be done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung."

A LOT smarter guys than me or you already know how this so-called "industry" works.

Of course the strippers in Porn Valley are never gonna listen to anybody. You're right about that. Nothing can be done about it. They won't listen to you either.

And for the bigger companies (you mentioned NA for instance) changing their business model is very difficult. Too much at stake for them to do things quickly.

Unlike small guys like me. I've already done just about everything you said in your post. And so have all the successful people.

The only people you hear crying the blues are the ones who...well, let's just say they may or may not make it. Chances of them taking advice from someone who's never run a program are slim and none.

So yes, you DID waste your time. Not because you are neccessarily wrong.
But to analagize it...you just walked into a carpenters union and told us how we don't know how to make furniture. And turns out you're a plumber. It won't work.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Robbie, all points very well taken. While I may be an outsider with a view, you have found out those views are correct and work. Maybe I wasted time on those who will read it and toss it aside. But there will be someone smart enough to grab one idea and use it to live to see another day or year in this business. Its nothing more than help being offered to see the forest through the trees.

Maybe someone new will see it and do things the right way.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by Steve Awesome

This is what I got out of your rant...

Webmaster Problem: Webmasters spend lotsa money and don't care about the future
Webmaster Solution: Stop lying about product and offer your services for free.

Female Talent Problem: Porn chicks are stupid
Female Talent Solution: Stop lying to yourself and work for free (oh and fuck fans).

Producers/Directors/Content Creators Problem: You suck at what you do
Producers/Directors/Content Creators Solution: Take a class and sell exclusive only (oh and pay chicks more $)

Programs/Sponsors Problem: You hate each other
Programs/Sponsors Solution: Love one another, come together now, smile on your brother.

and what part of any of that is untrue?

[GetSCORECash]

Good response Robbie!

mattsbeachhouse, Clearly some of your points are things that we are aware off and people who are in the industry do talk about. The solution to all these things are not solved overnight.

And sales are up for me!

[jay23]

Lets keep in simple.

1. Creating porn is easy and cheap so their is way more content then any one can whak all day
2. Thanks to 3rd wold legal system you can pirate as much as content and give it away free and nothing can be done.
3. As site owners we look for that one stupid horny surfer who pays for porn and forgot to un-check those 3 cross-selss at 40/bucks a month

[tony286]

Matt you think you can do better go for it.Try and put a site together try and get sales while spending money on talent,equipment,hosting, 2257. Also generalizing everyone is not a true glimpse of the industry.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

Good response Robbie!

mattsbeachhouse, Clearly some of your points are things that we are aware off and people who are in the industry do talk about. The solution to all these things are not solved overnight.

And sales are up for me!

Overnight? Hasn't sales and the business in general been declining for the last year?

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

Matt you think you can do better go for it.Try and put a site together try and get sales while spending money on talent,equipment,hosting, 2257. Also generalizing everyone is not a true glimpse of the industry.

Again, I have no dog in this fight. I have a different career that I would like to keep that would not afford me the luxury of pursuing adult work while keeping my current job. The generalization pretty much holds true except for a few cases. One does not need to look a too many threads here on GFY to see the same issues I have discussed.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Overnight? Hasn't sales and the business in general been declining for the last year?

If by "in general" you mean for SOME people yes. For most of us NO. The only people who post about it ARE the ones who are having declining business.

Hell, if any of us come on here and start talking about how great things are we get accused of "Bragging" Or else we're in "denial" and "lying"

Believe me bro... most of us are making money hand over fist. Don't be misled by the vocal minority.

[Steve Awesome]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

and what part of any of that is untrue?

I condensed your long-winded rant. I didn't say it was untrue. I think some of your solutions are exceedingly obvious, however, so it's not so much that they are true or not.

All previous solutions for the delivery of porn had the lucky misfortune that they couldn't completely dilute the market. However, With free porn available on tubes and torrents that over-saturation is happening. Webmasters and producers are forced to create more unique product and to be vigilant about torrents and tubes stealing from us. A site like Goth Girl Gangbang may not have existed if it weren't for the pressure to come up with unique product that you can't find anywhere else. But it does exist, so one problem feeds another solution.

You don't quite make that point in your rant, but even this is an obvious observation (at least to me).

[DeanCapture]

Originally Posted by jay23

3. As site owners we look for that one stupid horny surfer who pays for porn and forgot to un-check those 3 cross-selss at 40/bucks a month

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by Robbie

If by "in general" you mean for SOME people yes. For most of us NO. The only people who post about it ARE the ones who are having declining business.

Hell, if any of us come on here and start talking about how great things are we get accused of "Bragging" Or else we're in "denial" and "lying"

Believe me bro... most of us are making money hand over fist. Don't be misled by the vocal minority.

Point well taken.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Tony404, I am actually putting together a documentary on the porn industry that will be unbiased and not slanted such as network news reports. I actually cover this on my blog but would not feel right posting here as attention to the documentary was not my reason for this post.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Again, I have no dog in this fight. I have a different career that I would like to keep that would not afford me the luxury of pursuing adult work while keeping my current job. The generalization pretty much holds true except for a few cases. One does not need to look a too many threads here on GFY to see the same issues I have discussed.

Actually the generalization doesn't hold true in most cases.So maybe youre not the expert your pretending to be. Like you gave the example of Tawny Stone being 19 is screwing people if you knew Steve Lightspeed he is one of the most honest straight shooters in this business. Also Tawny is fantasy not reality, you know Matt there are fictional characters in movies right?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Tony404, I am actually putting together a documentary on the porn industry that will be unbiased and not slanted such as network news reports. I actually cover this on my blog but would not feel right posting here as attention to the documentary was not my reason for this post.

So Matt you will have no problem with your work being given away for free on tubes and the usenet(You mentioned that on Mikes blog but omitted it here) After all the movie and cable TV industry industry are greedy and the balls they charge more now then they did 5 yrs years ago and people have less money. When we are basically are charging pretty much the same.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

Actually the generalization doesn't hold true in most cases.So maybe youre not the expert your pretending to be. Like you gave the example of Tawny Stone being 19 is screwing people if you knew Steve Lightspeed he is one of the most honest straight shooters in this business. Also Tawny is fantasy not reality, you know Matt there are fictional characters in movies right?

Dude, don't be dense. That isn't screwing the customer but it sure isn't a way to retain a customer. The problem is once that user has enjoyed of all her content, what reason do they have to come back?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Dude, don't be dense. That isn't screwing the customer but it sure isn't a way to retain a customer. The problem is once that user has enjoyed of all her content, what reason do they have to come back?

You said screw and they are still shooting her. Also have you looked at Lightspeed sites and see all they offer a surfer?
I'll quote you : Quit screwing over your customers. Be straight with them. At least attempt to update information instead of insulting them. How long has Tawney Stone been 19? Umm, since the site started years ago.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

So Matt you will have no problem with your work being given away for free on tubes and the usenet(You mentioned that on Mikes blog but omitted it here) After all the movie and cable TV industry industry are greedy and the balls they charge more now then they did 5 yrs years ago and people have less money. When we are basically are charging pretty much the same.

Piracy is going to happen whether we like or not. There is not much we can do to stop it. Some of the work I have done has been pirated. Its a part of doing business. If piracy was the only issue the adult industry had to deal with, then you would be better off than you are now.

Actually my next project will most probably be given away. And if not, it will be pirated I am sure. But then again, the more that see my documentary, the better it bodes for the entire adult industry. So please don't treat me as if I am here to shit on the adult world because I am not.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

You said screw and they are still shooting her. Also have you looked at Lightspeed sites and see all they offer a surfer?

Tawney was one of a million sites that came to mind. I stand corrected. But you could almost interchange the name with most solo girl sites, (note I said most not all).

[Antonio]

you missed one - if you have no clue then type endlessly and say nothing

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Tawney was one of a million sites that came to mind. I stand corrected. But you could almost interchange the name with most solo girl sites, (note I said most not all).

Well considering you said Tawney and you based it on nothing and you're trashing a good mans product and reputation.That's not cool. I have no doubt youre a good guy Matt but stop making generalizations.It throws whatever creditability you may have out the window.

[IamShaider]

me love porn so much

[tony286]

A lot of us work very hard and take great pride in what we do and what we offer the customer. There are quick buck artists in every field but that doesnt make it so for everyone.

[tony286]

I wish you good luck on your documentary.Just try and approach it with an open mind, would be my only wish.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well considering you said Tawney and you based it on nothing and you're trashing a good mans product and reputation.That's not cool. I have no doubt youre a good guy Matt but stop making generalizations.It throws whatever creditability you may have out the window.

Agreed my apologies to Lightspeed. However, has she not been 19 ever since it launched?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Agreed my apologies to Lightspeed. However, has she not been 19 ever since it launched?

Dude its fantasy not reality, like bangbus do you really think they are fucking girls then leaving them on a street corner? lol

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

I wish you good luck on your documentary.Just try and approach it with an open mind, would be my only wish.

Thank you. My goal is to not present a one sided slant like most news reports are. Whatever I find, I find. Good or bad. I would prefer it to be positive for the adult industry but only time will tell.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

Dude its fantasy not reality, like bangbus do you really think they are fucking girls then leaving them on a street corner? lol

Of course not.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Thank you. My goal is to not present a one sided slant like most news reports are. Whatever I find, I find. Good or bad. I would prefer it to be positive for the adult industry but only time will tell.

Based on your manifesto seems you're leaning pretty hard one way already.

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by tony404

Based on your manifesto seems you're leaning pretty hard one way already.

Not at all. The whole reason for doing this documentary is because I feel the adult industry is misrepresented if not at times downright lied about. Its my goal to provide the truth about the industry, good and bad and let the viewer come to their own decision as opposed to the decisions brought about by slander, lies, and other hard line views.

[klaze]

How come this dude is doing a documentary?!

I don't want to see ANOTHER outsider's view of the industry or any industry for that matter...

On your blog you talk about making it a priority to have newb content girls in your docu? wtf? for exposure? how are they going to help tell the story?

[mattsbeachhouse]

Originally Posted by klaze

How come this dude is doing a documentary?!

I don't want to see ANOTHER outsider's view of the industry or any industry for that matter...

On your blog you talk about making it a priority to have newb content girls in your docu? wtf? for exposure? how are they going to help tell the story?

Klaze, it doesn't matter what you want to see. There is a market that does want to see it and there is nothing you can do about it. The new content girls are essential to the story because they are the ones who have freshly became involved. Girls that work for the bigger players frankly aren't that interesting. Face it, when Dateline or 20/20 run their stories, they are all lumped in together. Add to it that those same contract girls or their companies will want some coin for appearing or at least some control of what gets put into the edit and I refuse to play those games.

The reason this outsider's view is important is because I have no dog in this fight. I will not refuse to admit that business is in a decline and it falls squarely on the entire adult industry instead of blaming things like Tubes and piracy.

You should care because these same viewers of this docu will be the same people that are your customers or potentially will be new customers. Fight it if you want my friend but this flick is getting made.

[yahoo-xxx-girls.com]

What mattsbeachhouse said seem to be fair...

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

I overheard this porn chick one day at Starbucks in LA. Her and her agent were talking about how to increase her popularity and you can imagine the same bullshit. Go on KSex, web sites, radio, etc… So I mention the same things I just did above and the porner looked back at me and said and I quote: “Are you fucking stupid? Why would I ever want to fuck any of my fans? [b]Have you ever seen my fans? They are fucking gross and fat.

Um describes 90% of the male talent in porn. Most of the really "hot" guys do GAY porn.

Why do you think they have to jerk off to me? The day I fuck my fans is the day I become a whore.” Now imagine that. I simply replied, you fuck for money, youre a whore.

The definition of a whore is a woman that fucks for money. That pretty much bescribes a porn chick. They can take offense, but it is what it is. I also find it ironic that porn chicks that get all offended when they are called shores or sluts star in movies with the word WHORE or SLUT in it. How can you get offended if I call you a whore and you're on the box cover of FILTHY DOUBLE ASS FUCKED WHORES #72?

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[tony286]

Originally Posted by mattsbeachhouse

Klaze, it doesn't matter what you want to see. There is a market that does want to see it and there is nothing you can do about it. The new content girls are essential to the story because they are the ones who have freshly became involved. Girls that work for the bigger players frankly aren't that interesting. Face it, when Dateline or 20/20 run their stories, they are all lumped in together. Add to it that those same contract girls or their companies will want some coin for appearing or at least some control of what gets put into the edit and I refuse to play those games.

The reason this outsider's view is important is because I have no dog in this fight. I will not refuse to admit that business is in a decline and it falls squarely on the entire adult industry instead of blaming things like Tubes and piracy.

You should care because these same viewers of this docu will be the same people that are your customers or potentially will be new customers. Fight it if you want my friend but this flick is getting made.

Flick? You're shooting film and have a big budget? Or is it you and a video camera? Fight it if you want? If you're trying to create some type of controversy in here you're no better than the right wing scumbags we have to deal with now.