If Google will lose $470 million on YouTube this year, how will porn tubes survive?

[JackJones75]

YouTube sells ads on fewer than 10 percent of its videos.

As i said before, man cannot live on advertising alone.

How are the "Premium" options working on the porn tube sites? Enough people spending?

[Carmine Raguso]

YouTube sells ads on fewer than 10 percent of its videos.

As i said before, man cannot live on advertising alone.

How are the "Premium" options working on the porn tube sites? Enough people spending?

Between that and AFF/CAMS prebought ads, they should do just fine

[HorseShit]

How are the "Premium" options working on the porn tube sites? Enough people spending?

They work great with cross sales

[Manowar]

premium, live cams, prepaid ads for massive amounts, collecting emails & mailing the free members, paysite programs on the backend to cover losses

[WarChild]

I'm going to tell you a little secret now. The very big tube sites are making so much money right now it's fucking stupid. They're nowhere close to losing money and they're laughing at your ignorance. Now you know.

[Ozarkz]

Porn tubes have a hell of a lot more possible revenue streams than a PG rated mainstream tube like Youtube..

Even the none PG rated mainstream tubes have more possible revenue streams..

Youtube is playing the corporate game.

[Carmine Raguso]

Porn tubes have a hell of a lot more possible revenue streams than a PG rated mainstream tube like Youtube..

Even the none PG rated mainstream tubes have more possible revenue streams..

Youtube is playing the corporate game.

Agreed. If youtube had an ounce of backbone they would create an Adults Only area that would have to be verified by a small one time fee.

Also, just because YouTube may lose 470million does not mean that Google (it's parent company) is not making up for that in other avenues.

It's called spending money to make money

At least that is how I see it.

[fuzebox]

Youtube is playing the corporate game.

Exactly, Youtube hasn't even tried monetizing the site yet.

[Dirty F]

YouTube sells ads on fewer than 10 percent of its videos.

As i said before, man cannot live on advertising alone.

How are the "Premium" options working on the porn tube sites? Enough people spending?

You're comparing Youtube to big porn tubes?? Did i read that correctly?

[JamesK]

I'm going to tell you a little secret now. The very big tube sites are making so much money right now it's fucking stupid. They're nowhere close to losing money and they're laughing at your ignorance. Now you know.

I don't know any big tube owners but I'm willing to bet money on the fact that you are right

[LoveSandra]

How said that will survive ? lol
In my opinion these pieces of shit will die slow in long run

[Dirty F]

This sounds like a thread Spacedog would make. You know, one of the dumbest people on this board. No offense.

[Agent 488]

can't compare really. porn tubes have to monetize, google can lose money on youtube forever ....

[Carmine Raguso]

Here is a great read. It loads a little slow (for me) but well worth the wait.

http://www.worthview.com/google-anno...r-2009-results

[IllTestYourGirls]

This thread makes Pimp Roll look bad.

[Carmine Raguso]

This thread makes Pimp Roll look bad.

No where did he say that he did not have the answer. He brought up a discussion. For all you know they have several tube sites up and running, making bank.

I think Don made the topic to spark a discussion, exactly what this forum is for.

[WiredGuy]

Youtube is just experimenting with how to make money. If they really needed the cash badly they'd apply their tests to the whole youtube site. For now, they're happy just testing the market.
WG

[adonthenet]

they sure do earn Mills

[IllTestYourGirls]

No where did he say that he did not have the answer. He brought up a discussion. For all you know they have several tube sites up and running, making bank.

I think Don made the topic to spark a discussion, exactly what this forum is for.

Yup that could be it. My bad

[Killswitch - BANNED FOR LIFE]

It's called spending money to make money

Bingo... Youtube is Google's explosion of money in OTHER areas. Sure Youtube may be taking a loss, but the massive amounts of data they gather from Youtube makes up for the loss for Google.

Not to mention comparing Youtube with porn tubes is like comparing an apple with a mack truck, they just don't compare.

[Snake Doctor]

Congratulations, you've started thread #1434837598748957345 about tube sites.


Tell him what he's won Johnny.

[»Rob Content«]

Porn tubes make money because the people surfing it are all after one thing.. Something related to sex and or fucking. So it's easy to sell to them, any ads with sex can make money.

Youtube has people looking for funny clips, serious clips, movie clips, anime, old music videos, car chases, the list goes on and on. It's a lot harder to target a large amount of surfers when each of them is searching something different.

[420]

youtube webmaster is dumb

he just needs some dating ads to cash in

[Carmine Raguso]

youtube webmaster is dumb

he just needs some dating ads to cash in

[mynameisjim]

I have to disagree with the urban legend that Google is happy and comfortable losing money because it is so huge. They brought in a new exec whose sole job was to slash costs and keep up profitability across all areas of their business. And not just small cuts, they made huge sweeping cuts, tens of thousands of jobs cut, etc. Google is just as concerned about losing money as any other company, even more so since they are probably the least diversified company around at the moment.

The urban legend that Google doesn't care about losing money is just not true. They are working VERY hard to turn Youtube around but just can't do it.

[Houdini]

Google is doing a huge overhaul on Youtube, which has been rumored to change this week. They'll be separating the user generated videos from the premium/studio shows, and embed commercials in the videos. Basically they'll copy Hulu, but have all the user generated uploads too. They won't be losing money for long.

http://www.clickz.com/3633218

[Don Pueblo]

Agreed. If youtube had an ounce of backbone they would create an Adults Only area that would have to be verified by a small one time fee.

Also, just because YouTube may lose 470million does not mean that Google (it's parent company) is not making up for that in other avenues.

It's called spending money to make money

At least that is how I see it.

age verified how exactly?

[Carmine Raguso]

Google is doing a huge overhaul on Youtube, which has been rumored to change this week. They'll be separating the user generated videos from the premium/studio shows, and embed commercials in the videos. Basically they'll copy Hulu, but have all the user generated uploads too. They won't be losing money for long.

http://www.clickz.com/3633218

Hulu... fucking aliens

[Drake]

You partially answered your own question since Youtube only advertises on less than 10% of videos. Now imagine if they advertised on much more and offered many other advertising avenues on the site. I think right now they're interesting in experimenting, and continued growth of marketshare and all the benefits that come with it - unparalleled branding, viral marketing potential, etc.

[alias]

Isn't youtube just a writeoff for google?

[Evil-Dan]

Youtube is just experimenting with how to make money. If they really needed the cash badly they'd apply their tests to the whole youtube site. For now, they're happy just testing the market.
WG

i think G is more interested in the metrics more than anything - youtube will be the vehicle for carrying media to the masses, and you dont want to screw that up over a lousy few million

[Davy]

Dating will die soon. The only thing left is premium memberships and cams for the porn tubes.
Maybe they will all try to transform into DVD membership sites.

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Youtube is just experimenting with how to make money. If they really needed the cash badly they'd apply their tests to the whole youtube site. For now, they're happy just testing the market.
WG

So true, I've been using Gmail for about 4 years now and it still says Beta on their logo.
They know what they are doing.

[JackJones75]

No where did he say that he did not have the answer. He brought up a discussion. For all you know they have several tube sites up and running, making bank.

I think Don made the topic to spark a discussion, exactly what this forum is for.

this wasn't an apples to apples comparison. i'm well aware that the smart porn tube sites adapted early on and are doing quite well. going forward, i'm simply curious about growth prospects.

[ADENTSTUDIOS]

Tube sites are going down.

[Cyandin]

Tube sites are going down.

This thread totally needed to be bumped from back in April?

[Jack Sparrow]

Tube sites are going down.

Sure

This thread totally needed to be bumped from back in April?

[Intervader]

hahaha, everyone has an opinion.

I'm sure they will find a way to make money on Youtube, or just to keep their stock price up. Pretty much the same thing.

[$5 submissions]

What's with the bumps?

[V_RocKs]

You tube doesn't have back stabbing dating sponsors, web cam sponsors and the like. They also have to pay court fees when doing something illegal.

Try and find the correct address to send a summons to a tube.

Good luck!

[Supz]

Youtube is playing the corporate game.

Thats what happens when you are publicly traded. They only show there own ads. Im sure there are other companies out there looking to break into youtube ads without going through google adwords. I am sure they will pay also.

[Lamis]

it amazes me that nobody says that tube sites don't make money..

damn.. maybe i should buy one of those... everybody silently builds a tube site and don't talk about it...

anyway, all of u tube suckers will soon get so much competition that you will all get less and less money because u will have to share it with others..

same as with TGPs/MGPs/galleries...

the best idea is to be upfront of things and work on the model that will follow "tubes"...

[Lamis]

Youtube is playing the corporate game.

what exactly do you mean?

guys above me quoted this phrase, BUT each of them understood a different thing.

Elaborate...

[sysk]

If Google will lose $470 million on YouTube this year, how will porn tubes survive?

Source ?

[DaddyHalbucks]

They make up for it in volume.

[niche25]

porn tube's actually monetize.

[Iron Fist]

I'm going to tell you a little secret now. The very big tube sites are making so much money right now it's fucking stupid. They're nowhere close to losing money and they're laughing at your ignorance. Now you know.

Phew... because I was beginning to wonder.

[Jack Sparrow]

it amazes me that nobody says that tube sites don't make money..

damn.. maybe i should buy one of those... everybody silently builds a tube site and don't talk about it...

anyway, all of u tube suckers will soon get so much competition that you will all get less and less money because u will have to share it with others..

same as with TGPs/MGPs/galleries...

the best idea is to be upfront of things and work on the model that will follow "tubes"...

You really dont have a clue about anything being said on gfy, do you?

[Ron2k1]

For Google it doesn't matter if youtube generates direct revenue or not

Just the fact THEY OWN YouTube is enough for them to spend a few hundred million a year on it.
YouTube is pure branding, they reach almost any internet user on the planet.

That fact alone is enough for Google to run YouTube

[seeandsee]

porn ads on youtube would make millions :D