A threat bigger than tubes and shady billing combined?

[SteveLightspeed]

Whenever I wonder what I can do to increase sales, I pay more attention to my own porn surfing habits. I figure, I'm a regular guy, and I probably have the same surfing habits as other regular guys, right?

But I don't surf tube sites, and I've never been burned by shady billing practices.

But there is something now that I've never been able to do before: I CAN SURF MY OWN COLLECTION.

Over the years, I've collected hundreds of gigs of porn from paysites, freesites, newsgroups, and trading with friends. And get this: it is ALL stuff I like. I don't have to SEARCH, I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware, and I don't have to pay anything to view it. And it is all VERY personalized!

I just bought a 1.5 TERABYTE external harddrive for $179. I can put 10 years of collected, personalized content all in ONE PLACE. And I can spend WEEKS surfing it all, find mostly content I've completely forgotten about, and never see the same thing twice!

When money is tight, I'm not going to bother with ANYTHING online. I have the ultimate collection already instantly available to me. But massive storage didn't exist 10 years ago, and I think that's why we all made more money THEN.

I believe MASSIVE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE has hurt our business more than tubes and shady billing practices combined.

Comments?

[d-null]

you have a good point, but guys are always on the lookout for something new, and as time goes by there are always fresh new 18 and 19 and 20 year old girls coming out

[Horny Dude]

Agree with d-null. I have a huge collection of stuff, but there is always something new that attracts my eye. I do try and go over my personal stash and get rid of the old shit, just cause I want to put newer stuff on there.

[SteveLightspeed]

I could show you 10 pics of "18-20" year olds, and I'd bet $500 that you couldn't tell me 8 correct that are "new or old". I've shot content that I don't even remember. If I haven't seen something in a few years, I might remember that I saw it, but if I liked it then, I still like it NOW.

[Mutt]

i think it's a factor - but I can go back to when i was a teenager and had a mountain of porn magazines and duped VHS porn tapes hidden under my bed - I always had my goto girls and scenes - i'd whack it to the same small group all the time. But I still was looking for new porn - hoping to find a new girl/scene to join the elite group. When I moved out on my own and I could actually rent porn videos cuz my family wasn't around I would go into the porn video store and rent 5 videos - i'd fast forward through them looking for the girl/scene on the cover I wanted to see - out of 5 videos I might find one or two scenes i wanted to keep and might make the elite goto porn group. Sometimes after a few viewings i'd realize it wasn't worthy.

and today i am the same way, i have about 20 scenes on my computer, that's all. I only acquire more porn hoping to find an addition to the elite group.

i consider myself average surfer too and that's the counter argument, I think guys are always going to want to find something new to add to their arsenal even when they have amassed a huge collection.

Pierre Woodman for the win!!!

[SteveLightspeed]

i think it's a factor - but I can go back to when i was a teenager and had a mountain of porn magazines and duped VHS porn tapes hidden under my bed - I always had my goto girls and scenes - i'd whack it to the same small group all the time. But I still was looking for new porn - hoping to find a new girl/scene to join the elite group. When I moved out on my own and I could actually rent porn videos cuz my family wasn't around I would go into the porn video store and rent 5 videos - i'd fast forward through them looking for the girl/scene on the cover I wanted to see - out of 5 videos I might find one or two scenes i wanted to keep and might make the elite goto porn group. Sometimes after a few viewings i'd realize it wasn't worthy.

and today i am the same way, i have about 20 scenes on my computer, that's all. I only acquire more porn hoping to find an addition to the elite group.

i consider myself average surfer too and that's the counter argument, I think guys are always going to want to find something new to add to their arsenal even when they have amassed a huge collection.

Pierre Woodman for the win!!!

Maybe this is about AGE? Cuz I don't remember jack shit. But I know what I like, every time I see it.

[d-null]

I could show you 10 pics of "18-20" year olds, and I'd bet $500 that you couldn't tell me 8 correct that are "new or old". I've shot content that I don't even remember. If I haven't seen something in a few years, I might remember that I saw it, but if I liked it then, I still like it NOW.

sure, I guess if a guy gets a big enough collection he will always be able to find something that seems new, but there is still alot to be said for a surfer "getting the hots" for a specific girl he comes across on the net, and it doesn't matter if he has a terabyte of porn of 10,000 other girls on his hard drives already, he is horny for the new girl and wants to see more of her.

[epitome]

If people were happy with the same thing when it comes to sex, there would be no such thing as cheating.

[d-null]

and to add to Mutt's "go to girl" concept, a guy will always be on the lookout for new stuff or stuff he hasn't seen before from his favorite girl

[Iron Fist]

Man although I agree, i've got terabytes of content from sites from years of collecting.... and I'm always looking for more...

Thing is Steve... 90% of the net is filler content... it's that magic 10% where the girl, scene, props, clothes, picture, lighting, attitude and everything is just right...

You know.. the one picture where I can stare at it for like 15 minutes and get a boner in 2 seconds.

Porn videos where the girl actually looks like she ISN'T do it for money.

Girls in the pictures who look at me instead of at the camera...

Not a lot of content out there like it. The ones who "get it", well they know who they are.. which is why I still go online and check my favorite haunts to see if it's out there...

[mynameisjim]

I'd say that is true for some surfers.

Personally, I almost never look at porn twice. I may be biased because I also never listen to an album again after the first week or two I like it. I also never watch movies twice.

But generally speaking, porn is a consumable. You jerk off to it once or twice then move on. I think some of the older surfers who grew up on a few magazines and one or two VHS tapes that got traded around the neighborhood are more accustomed to the "private stash" mentality. I think newer surfers are more the churn and burn types.

[SteveLightspeed]

Man although I agree, i've got terabytes of content from sites from years of collecting.... and I'm always looking for more...

Thing is Steve... 90% of the net is filler content... it's that magic 10% where the girl, scene, props, clothes, picture, lighting, attitude and everything is just right...

You know.. the one picture where I can stare at it for like 15 minutes and get a boner in 2 seconds.

Porn videos where the girl actually looks like she ISN'T do it for money.

Girls in the pictures who look at me instead of at the camera...

Not a lot of content out there like it. The ones who "get it", well they know who they are.. which is why I still go online and check my favorite haunts to see if it's out there...

Why collect if you never look at it again? Would you pay for something new before you looked at your old collection?

[Danielle]

That can explain surfers that have been online for years collecting porn.

But, new people come online every day. So every day we have new prospective customers coming online for the very first time. They don't have a huge porn collection yet.

Hugs,
Danielle

[SteveLightspeed]

That can explain surfers that have been online for years collecting porn.

But, new people come online every day. So every day we have new prospective customers coming online for the very first time. They don't have a huge porn collection yet.

Hugs,
Danielle

I've never met a woman that collects porn.

[Mutt]

all i know is find Pierre Woodman's old casting session videos - most are from 2002-2003 - no fake reality shit like Bangbros etc - a half suave half creepy bald hairy French porn director casting new girls in hotel rooms in Czech, Russia and Hungary and banging the shit out of them. i was gonna join his paysite to get them all but unfortunately for him I found them all on one tube site. one day out of guilt i'll join his site for a month.

[DonovanTrent]

Steve, I have to disagree with the magnitude you're assigning to this. It's a factor, but I think a very small one, and one that's been around pre-Internet. Back before video, when magazines were the only practical way for most people to experience porn, plenty of people collected their Playboys.

But they never cancelled their subscriptions, did they?

Parallel it to music. Have you hit a point where you say, my collection's big enough, I'm never going to buy anymore music? I don't think anyone would say that.

(And no wiseass remarks from the peanut gallery "blah blah I haven't bought music in years, I download it blah blah" that's immaterial to the discussion, we're talking about buying new vs. living on a collection.)

I honestly think the person who keeps terabyte-size collections of porn is a bit odd, obsessive and deviating from the norm. j/k

[NetHorse]

I don't need terabytes of collected online porn. I masturbate to the smell of my own farts, I'm good to go.

[Iron Fist]

Why collect if you never look at it again? Would you pay for something new before you looked at your old collection?

Both actually...

[SteveLightspeed]

I honestly think the person who keeps terabyte-size collections of porn is a bit odd, obsessive and deviating from the norm. j/k

Yeah, maybe I'm not "normal" now. I built a porn empire because I couldn't find enough stuff I liked. I'm just saying that I believe alot of guys have collections, and don't find themselves compelled to spend more money to add to it.

[Iron Fist]

I've never met a woman that collects porn.

Neither have I... unless they live in the basement... or something.

[flip.green]

Bleh, i see your point. BUT you we can always cross our fingers and hope these people get viruses on their computers. Or loose their hard drives or even worse get them smashed with hammers by jealous spouses. Point is shit happens, and when it does good ol internet porn is here to welcome them back.

See you can have a fully stocked bar at home, but theres something comforting knowing that you can get piss faced at the pub around the corner.

[Jet - BANNED FOR LIFE]

you have a good point, but guys are always on the lookout for something new, and as time goes by there are always fresh new 18 and 19 and 20 year old girls coming out

This is true. I have a lot of porn collected over the years myself, but still look fir new stuff.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

ADG

[Danielle]

I've never met a woman that collects porn.

I don't and I have no desire to. But that has nothing to do with what I said.

New people come online every day. So every day we have new prospective customers coming online for the very first time. They don't have a huge porn collection yet.

The Internet follows the birth death life cycle. A new porn surfer is born every day as old porn surfers die.

Hugs,
Danielle

[JeremyB]

Steve - I think it's only really the 'collectors' who downloaded stuff. You're probably a collector (got any Admiral Krag?) and so are a good number of your surfers.

My understanding however was that most surfers didn't download stuff not only because of HD space limits but also because they didn't want the wife / GF / mother / kids to find their porn stash, especially once they got broadband - leaving it online was a good thing for them (hmmmmm). And with more regular & better updates, they were always hooked into getting more. Collecting wasn't the thing for them, whacking off was the only thing.

[DWB]

Whenever I wonder what I can do to increase sales, I pay more attention to my own porn surfing habits. I figure, I'm a regular guy, and I probably have the same surfing habits as other regular guys, right?

But I don't surf tube sites, and I've never been burned by shady billing practices.

But there is something now that I've never been able to do before: I CAN SURF MY OWN COLLECTION.

Over the years, I've collected hundreds of gigs of porn from paysites, freesites, newsgroups, and trading with friends. And get this: it is ALL stuff I like. I don't have to SEARCH, I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware, and I don't have to pay anything to view it. And it is all VERY personalized!

I just bought a 1.5 TERABYTE external harddrive for $179. I can put 10 years of collected, personalized content all in ONE PLACE. And I can spend WEEKS surfing it all, find mostly content I've completely forgotten about, and never see the same thing twice!

When money is tight, I'm not going to bother with ANYTHING online. I have the ultimate collection already instantly available to me. But massive storage didn't exist 10 years ago, and I think that's why we all made more money THEN.

I believe MASSIVE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE has hurt our business more than tubes and shady billing practices combined.

Comments?

You are spot on Steve.

I ALWAYS pay attention to me own surfing styles, and like you, I also have a massive collection of PHOTOS.

My habit is this:

I want to get off so I...

* Note: A pay site is not even an option anymore. Why would I ever need to pay for content again? Honestly? So I skip this idea and do one of the following, in no order:

1) Check out my collection. Usually the best option as it is everything I want.
2) Check out a few tube sites, looking for whatever it is I'm looking for at the time.
3) Hit LiveJasmin and see what girls are dumb enough to be sitting there totally topless.

Every time, without fail, one of those options will get me off. Sometimes a mix of them.

It does not matter to me if what I find is in HD or high res. It can be cell phone pics and shit video. All that matters is that it's what I'm looking for in terms of the girl or the fantasy. Nothing else matters but my fantasy and my girl.

[Danielle]

You are spot on Steve.

I ALWAYS pay attention to me own surfing styles, and like you, I also have a massive collection of PHOTOS.

So you are old. Does someone that just got a computer and just got an Internet connection have a massive porn collection? Think about it. They do not!

When you buy a computer and sign up for a Internet connection you don't automatically get a huge free porn collection.

Hugs,
Danielle

[SleazyDream]

I could show you 10 pics of "18-20" year olds, and I'd bet $500 that you couldn't tell me 8 correct that are "new or old". I've shot content that I don't even remember. If I haven't seen something in a few years, I might remember that I saw it, but if I liked it then, I still like it NOW.

that's a real good point

[munki]

I've never met a woman that collects porn.

Pretty sure I introduced you to my fiance...

Fully with you though... we have a fully personalized library of pr0n on an inhouse streaming media server, that any tv/computer in the house can connect to that totals at least 2tbs. 9+ years worth of collection. If I can't find something I like there, it doesn't exist.

[SleazyDream]

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* Note: A pay site is not even an option anymore. Why would I ever need to pay for content again? Honestly? So I skip this idea and do one of the following, in no order:

1) Check out my collection. Usually the best option as it is everything I want.
2) Check out a few tube sites, looking for whatever it is I'm looking for at the time.
3) Hit LiveJasmin and see what girls are dumb enough to be sitting there totally topless.

I thought like this in 2000,2001 and gave away porn to sell a dating site. I only ever sold porn cause cybercat drove a dumb truck full of money up to my house. Hey, I'm not made of stone.

Guess I'm just ahead of my time......

[SBJ]

yup it's true and the fact you can get a 16 gig usb memory stick to carry around your stash in your back pocket haha..

I remember getting online with my first "online" pc in 98 and i only had a 8gig hard drive and 6 mos later i got a 20 gig hard drive cause the 8 gig was too full of porn and stuff. Today you can get a 1TB for $100 external to keep all your porn off your family pc.

on sorta this same subject how do you feel about zip files? to me it just seems to promote ripping the whole members area in one day and canceling rather than sticking around and browsing the porn online. I do zips on some sites but not all for different reasons.

[Machete_]

"newsgroups, and trading with friends" ? cool, can we be friends so you send me some from from the lightspeed memberarea?

[seeandsee]

money makes us greedy :D

[Ron2k1]

I think at least 95% of todays porn surfers, will keep on surfing for new stuff.

If I look at myself as surfer I get bored pretty quick after seeing the same movie a few times, and with todays high speed internet and tube sites, there is no need to download everything and keep it on your HD.

[GetSCORECash]

It's about that one photo or video clip of a new girl that does it for me. It's not about the four hour epic nor the 200 thousand images.

[slapass]

I only keep x gf stuff. I use the tubes as my storage device or certain sites. So assuming I am not abnormal there must a be a group like me out there.

[Relentless]

If your belief were true, every porn fan would have a membership to vidoesz. 17 TB of perfectly sorted porn with a fantastic interface and flash player... all viewable instantly without having it on your PC where someone else might find it. Their system let's you easily tag scenes, search for similiar scenes AND they add 5 brand new DVDs per day.

The fact is, people still want new pussy. They get tired of the same interface, the same presentation, the same look and feel. That's why microniche sites do so well. I own a paysite with porn on it unlike anything on your hard drive and totally different from the massive collection on VideosZ as well.

If you are making new porn and it's the same as the old porn then yes Id agree people will get it off their hard drive or videosZ instead. However, new pussy will always sell... that's why ancient sultans never announced their harem was complete... there's always room for new pussy.

[Gerco]

I have to agree with steve in some respect. I have not payed for a site in over 8 years. Then, the only site I would pay for would be to check if they had my content used illegally. I have around 500 gig of porn saved from surfing over the years and other than my time all of it has been gotten free. If I need a quick fix i can alway turn to it. I'm still always on the lookout for something truly new and amazing, but the picking are really slim. Even so, I still look for new stuff.

There is so much free stuff out there, why would anyone ever buy a membership? They only reason I see people buying a membership is because they get infatuated with a special girl/guy or you have something that no one else has (Fetish). Fetish is worth it's weight in gold in that aspect.

But, it's the tubes and other similar sites, members taking and sharing content, rapidshits etc that hurt fetish. It's such a small market your going after and they all tend to group together on sites, so sharing the content fills the need to get more in a lot of cases.

I don't have any answers, hell, I have no idea what I'm doing in the first place, I just got lucky with my 1 site.

[pornguy]

you have a good point, but guys are always on the lookout for something new, and as time goes by there are always fresh new 18 and 19 and 20 year old girls coming out

But so very few of the sites are using that. MOST are recycling the same old tired porn girls over and over.. We have invented a new age group of the 21teens 22teens 23teens etc..

[Herb Kornfield]

Mass cookie cutter filler sites are the reason why people dont wanna subscribe for the long term.

Stand out ... you'll make more money

[Karupted Charles]

I think the real danger is exploding tanker trucks.

[SoloGirlsContent]

Whenever I wonder what I can do to increase sales, I pay more attention to my own porn surfing habits. I figure, I'm a regular guy, and I probably have the same surfing habits as other regular guys, right?

But I don't surf tube sites, and I've never been burned by shady billing practices.

But there is something now that I've never been able to do before: I CAN SURF MY OWN COLLECTION.

Over the years, I've collected hundreds of gigs of porn from paysites, freesites, newsgroups, and trading with friends. And get this: it is ALL stuff I like. I don't have to SEARCH, I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware, and I don't have to pay anything to view it. And it is all VERY personalized!

I just bought a 1.5 TERABYTE external harddrive for $179. I can put 10 years of collected, personalized content all in ONE PLACE. And I can spend WEEKS surfing it all, find mostly content I've completely forgotten about, and never see the same thing twice!

When money is tight, I'm not going to bother with ANYTHING online. I have the ultimate collection already instantly available to me. But massive storage didn't exist 10 years ago, and I think that's why we all made more money THEN.

I believe MASSIVE PERSONAL STORAGE SPACE has hurt our business more than tubes and shady billing practices combined.

Comments?

ding ding ding...we have a winner

[Sid70]

when i asked someone in the US why it is so hard to hire someone from outside he told me that i am my own enemy, i have created outsourcing bidnis, made it cheaper for US clients and there is no reason they would want me in... so, partially, i can agree with you Steve, you did it yourself.

[SoloGirlsContent]

you have a good point, but guys are always on the lookout for something new, and as time goes by there are always fresh new 18 and 19 and 20 year old girls coming out

when times are tight and money is scarce, Christy Canyon from the 70's-80's looks pretty fucking good for a quick rub and tug. Steve hit the nail on the head

[DWB]

I thought like this in 2000,2001 and gave away porn to sell a dating site. I only ever sold porn cause cybercat drove a dump truck full of money up to my house. Hey, I'm not made of stone.

Guess I'm just ahead of my time......

Hey, if someone drove a dump truck full of money to my house, I would probably be motivated to do something I normally wouldn't do. I can't blame ya.

So you are old. Does someone that just got a computer and just got an Internet connection have a massive porn collection? Think about it. They do not!

When you buy a computer and sign up for a Internet connection you don't automatically get a huge free porn collection.

Hugs,
Danielle

Well, I'm getting old.

And you're right, guys who just get their puters don't have a collection ONLINE. They (those guys) do however still have DVDs and magazines. They also do not run out on day one and buy porn sites. It takes a little confidence to do that.

There is no perfect formula, I can only base what I do on my own experiences, wants and needs. Over 10 years of following that has never steered me wrong.

[DWB]

when times are tight and money is scarce, Christy Canyon from the 70's-80's looks pretty fucking good for a quick rub and tug. Steve hit the nail on the head

Amen. Though, I can rub one out to her at any time. A classic is a classic.

[TheDoc]

That's why I said you need to continue to stamp member photos and videos, it's very important actually 'because' we allow members to download the porn.

I get 1000's of type-ins daily from my 'closed down' member sites, due to the stamped content.

I have been stamping member content sense 1998.


Side note... You can whack it to the same old pussy/tits? Not me... I keep zero porn, after I have seen it a couple times I might as well jack it to the wall socket.

[Jman]

I was at a friends 50th bday party this weekend and decided to ask all the men and sons of the people there, when they surf porn where do they go. ALL said tube sites as it is free and they have all the variety they can think of.

I agree massive storage is something that changed the industry but it is the tubes with full lenght clips that is hurting it as anyone can do searches on tubes and find exactly what pleases them without the assle of storing on a hard drive.

[Nicky]

I've never collected porn, don't think I ever will. The closest to a collection I come is the content I've bought through the years and the sponsor content I use for sites, I never surf It though.

[Libertine]

You are spot on Steve.

I ALWAYS pay attention to me own surfing styles, and like you, I also have a massive collection of PHOTOS.

My habit is this:

I want to get off so I...

* Note: A pay site is not even an option anymore. Why would I ever need to pay for content again? Honestly? So I skip this idea and do one of the following, in no order:

1) Check out my collection. Usually the best option as it is everything I want.
2) Check out a few tube sites, looking for whatever it is I'm looking for at the time.
3) Hit LiveJasmin and see what girls are dumb enough to be sitting there totally topless.

Every time, without fail, one of those options will get me off. Sometimes a mix of them.

It does not matter to me if what I find is in HD or high res. It can be cell phone pics and shit video. All that matters is that it's what I'm looking for in terms of the girl or the fantasy. Nothing else matters but my fantasy and my girl.

Fuck LiveJasmin. Just watch Cam4 instead, where it's always free.