[LIST] CCBill programs with DISABLED rebills

[MrDeiz]

Since we have track of every ccbill program and joined them all i've asked a coder to check all programs for that option. That's what we got:
http://www.signbucksdaily.com/market...ms-no-rebills/

Couldn't post plain list here, because it was 5xtimes too many characters allowed for post. Also that link isn't available from any part of Signbucks Daily, you just need to type it in each time.

So this list is very raw. Some programs pay PPS, so it's ok if that option is off, some are gone. We don't have enough time to check it on our own, so it's up to you guys )

Also my coder has made a mistake and grabbed pa's instead of ca's for each program. But because it took a few days of hard work to process all the programs and there's big list of stuff to do i've decided not redo it to fix (we provide a link for each record we have into database, so it should help).

Please take a look if programs you promote are listed there.
The idea is to resolve this issue with every program.
!!! Also there's Trial Subscriptions and Recurring Subscriptions "Payments for Rebills End After" options. We are displaying "Recurring Subscriptions". I can provide original Excel file if someone decides to do in-depth analysis.

BTW you still can buy 1,2k of ready to register former CCBill paysites domains (they will be public available at Signbucks Daily in a week). You still can buy them today and tomorrow.

Writing in a rush. I'll be leaving at 10 AM EST and will be back for an hour at 14 AM EST.

[woj]

damn, that's a huge list, I would figure there would be only a few there, but you found 100+, wtf?

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by woj

damn, that's a huge list, I would figure there would be only a few there, but you found 100+, wtf?

When Daizzzy isn't busy attempting to extort money, he's making shit up.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

When Daizzzy isn't busy attempting to extort money, he's making shit up.

what's your problem with that list now?
what's wrong if webmasters will know who's not paying them money they suppose to get?

[Agent 488]

never heard of any of them.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

what's your problem with that list now?
what's wrong if webmasters will know who's not paying them money they suppose to get?

I'll be honest - I didn't even bother looking at it. I don't believe you to be trustworthy.

[TeenCat]

so now ccbill is supporting shaving? you said you scanned ccbill and you got this info, and if ccbill offers this option, they are supporting shaving right? or what is this list about? dont understand it much, and not much informations to trust it my friend ...

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

I'll be honest - I didn't even bother looking at it. I don't believe you to be trustworthy.

what's the point of spreading lie on me < you do all the time> w/o checking facts? anyway go fuck yourself

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

so now ccbill is supporting shaving? you said you scanned ccbill and you got this info, and if ccbill offers this option, they are supporting shaving right? or what is this list about? dont understand it much, and not much informations to trust it my friend ...

login into ccbill admin, go to tools, click 'View' / Program Details

[96ukssob]

wow thats pretty fucked up

the only way i would see this ok is if they are offering a PPS through CCBill

[TeenCat]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

login into ccbill admin, go to tools, click 'View' / Program Details

oh, wow, thanks for pointing this out, now i dont get why ccbill has such option to fuck with webmasters, as i doubt any of the programs has on their pages that you get 50 first sale and no rebills ... fucked up, no comments needed ... and good job daizzzy, keep it up!

[rabbit]

thanks man, despite the criticisms i think you bring webmasters lots of value.

[sortie]

All CC processors have a time the sponsor can set to end rebills.

There can be no rebills, this is pay per sign up.
There can be 1, 2,3,4,5,6,....,999...lifetime rebills set up.

If the sponsor changes the rebill time then in the past ccbill automatically sent
out an email to all affiliates that a change was made.
I haven't heard that this policy has been changed.

So, putting ccbill's name in this thread as if this has something to do with CCbill is
off track. Any sponsor with any biller can cut rebills off at any time.

The difference would be that sponsors not using ccbill can turn off rebills without
affiliates being sent an email.

[onlytease]

That is a very interesting list, and 3 programmes we are affilaites off (zoligirls, ms britt, cate cash) that are on his list, he is 100% correct, they do not offer rebills. And Zologirls on their site talk about 60% payout plus rebills - so thank you for a good list - very interesting reading

[ruff]

Very informative. Thanks for the list. I was aware of where to find this information and always check it when I sign up as an affiliate, but rarely go back to see if anything has changed. Too bad there isn't an automatic email to affiliates when terms like this are changed after you have signed up. I found several programs I actively promote that are not PPS and I assumed I would be getting rebills. My bad. I am pulling their links now. I'm not blaming any programs or saying they are shady, it's my responsibility to check on this stuff. It's all about choices as far as I'm concerned. Without rebills I'm no longer interested.

One of the sites I push is ChristinaCash and this is in her terms. I checked my CC Bill affilate account for her and rebills are disabled.

Christina Cash Benefits. For each person who becomes a subscriber to a website owned, controlled or operated by Christina Cash, and who has been tracked and verified as a "referral" to a Christina Cash website from Your Website, you will receive a "referral fee" (currently 50% of the initial sign-up plus monthly recurring memberships).

So in this instance, it would be definitely a shady practice to disable rebills without changing your christinacash.com/terms.html
It's not really an accident or mistake when something like this happens, I'd say it's deliberate.

It's a shitty business, that seems to be getting shittier.

[GrouchyAdmin]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

what's the point of spreading lie on me < you do all the time> w/o checking facts? anyway go fuck yourself

Saying I don't trust you isn't a lie, it's a personal opinion.

[Screwed Up]

I knew about this option. Good work, daizzzy.

Some of these programs have names like "RevShar" or "Partner". Many programs do anything to bite the hand that feeds them, not?

[DiF0r]

wow that sucks big time

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by sortie

All CC processors have a time the sponsor can set to end rebills.

There can be no rebills, this is pay per sign up.
There can be 1, 2,3,4,5,6,....,999...lifetime rebills set up.

If the sponsor changes the rebill time then in the past ccbill automatically sent
out an email to all affiliates that a change was made.
I haven't heard that this policy has been changed.

So, putting ccbill's name in this thread as if this has something to do with CCbill is
off track. Any sponsor with any biller can cut rebills off at any time.

The difference would be that sponsors not using ccbill can turn off rebills without
affiliates being sent an email.

The title seems accurate to me. He is saying "CCBill programs". He isn't saying it is ccbill themselves. He has to mention that they are all ccbill programs because they are. You're right in that it is great that ccbill makes this information available. I think they should do more myself. I believe it should be a requirement that it is plainly disclosed on the signup form and that should be a policy of a sponsor caught doing something crooked either having to 1) Pay full restitution to affiliates or 2) Get kicked off ccbill and reserves being used to pay affiliates. I doubt it will ever happen especially in these times but there you go. It's too bad this industry is so crooked.

I'm glad he posted this list. While I know how to check this myself, it's still very useful and good to see more oversight and attention to the matter.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The title seems accurate to me. He is saying "CCBill programs". He isn't saying it is ccbill themselves. He has to mention that they are all ccbill programs because they are. You're right in that it is great that ccbill makes this information available. I think they should do more myself. I believe it should be a requirement that it is plainly disclosed on the signup form and that should be a policy of a sponsor caught doing something crooked either having to 1) Pay full restitution to affiliates or 2) Get kicked off ccbill and reserves being used to pay affiliates. I doubt it will ever happen especially in these times but there you go. It's too bad this industry is so crooked.

I'm glad he posted this list. While I know how to check this myself, it's still very useful and good to see more oversight and attention to the matter.

I've never signed up to a ccbill site and then discovered a problem with
rebills being turned off. Every problem I ever had was when the sponsor left
ccbill and got their own backend system. That's when the shit started.

It never happened in all my internet life that a sponsor switched from ccbill to
something else and I made more money. Never!
I always made far less.

Period.

[ruff]

Originally Posted by sortie

I've never signed up to a ccbill site and then discovered a problem with
rebills being turned off. Every problem I ever had was when the sponsor left
ccbill and got their own backend system. That's when the shit started.

It never happened in all my internet life that a sponsor switched from ccbill to
something else and I made more money. Never!
I always made far less.

Period.

I'm going to agree with you on this one. I only promote CC Bill sites and I only use CC Bill for a payment processor. It is the only systems I trust. Any backend system that lets the site owner determine how much or if I get paid, I want nothing to do with. I've been ripped off too many times now. I want as much transparency as I can get.

[MrDeiz]

i guess the next thing will be list of programs with short term cookies like 1-3 days
in a week. let's try to contact all those programs and resolve this issue

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by sortie

I've never signed up to a ccbill site and then discovered a problem with
rebills being turned off. Every problem I ever had was when the sponsor left
ccbill and got their own backend system. That's when the shit started.

It never happened in all my internet life that a sponsor switched from ccbill to
something else and I made more money. Never!
I always made far less.

Period.

I almost think we are talking of two different things. Well they didn't always display the status of the rebill credits (they added it several years ago as a feature and many programs were caught when they initially did this as well as there being some controversy over it). So if you signed up many years ago you might have discovered after the fact that you weren't getting credit for rebills or that they were in some way limited. It depends how long you've been a webmaster under ccbill affiliate programs. I agree about about programs leaving ccbill though I'm sure there are exceptions. A lot of people in this industry are shady. Don't get me wrong I prefer ccbill programs over most nats programs quite strongly. My intent isn't to attack Ccbill. My intent is to defend the person posting the list because I find it useful. I *have* found programs doing this by monitoring the appropriate area in ccbill and this list actually did reveal to me one sponsor who I was not aware of that was doing this: Kinky kicks.

[selena]

I always look at the time of signup. I think CCBill should make it mandatory that an alert is sent out through their system if a program changes it's rebill policy.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by selena

I always look at the time of signup. I think CCBill should make it mandatory that an alert is sent out through their system if a program changes it's rebill policy.

I think they do or so I heard? I know Verotel does and I've actually received emails from them notifying me of one sponsor changing the terms from 50% of rebills to 20%. If it weren't for Verotel's notification I would not have known unless I noticed it otherwise myself after the fact. The sponsor sent out no notifications themselves.

Here's what verotel sends out:

Reseller account modified

show details 3/24/09


Dear Verotel Reseller,

The owner of the website
"redacted"
has changed the reseller commission terms.

* The commission percentage that you are paid for every sale made via your banner(s) has been changed to 25 %.

Your commissions for future transactions will be calculated using the new percentage (25 %). Your commissions for transactions that were completed in the past have already been calculated using the old percentage (50 %).




If you have any questions, please contact the
webmaster of "redacted" by email at redacted.

With kind regards,

Verotel Support Team

[Perfecto Dollars]

Maybe you should take off PERFECTO from that list. Its PPS...
The PPS program pays 1 time. like any PPS program does.

The revshare have been paying webmasters since the day we opened in 2003.

[AmeliaG]

I'm confused about PinupDollars being on there. They have migrated to NATS, but didn't they pay on rebills when they were a CCBill program? I'll be perturbed if they do not pay on rebills because, unless explicitly stated otherwise, one expects ALL revshare programs to pay on rebills.

[TeenCat]

[HAPPYPEEKERS]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I'm confused about PinupDollars being on there. They have migrated to NATS, but didn't they pay on rebills when they were a CCBill program? I'll be perturbed if they do not pay on rebills because, unless explicitly stated otherwise, one expects ALL revshare programs to pay on rebills.

Pinup Dollars pays on ALL rebills. We did recently switch to nats but that in no way means that we are now not paying out our rebills. We have been in business for 12 years because of good business :-)

[kada]

damn.. kinky kicks
im aware of this setting and usually check.. but didnt see the kinky kicks one..
thanks daizz

[BVF]

Originally Posted by sortie

All CC processors have a time the sponsor can set to end rebills.

There can be no rebills, this is pay per sign up.
There can be 1, 2,3,4,5,6,....,999...lifetime rebills set up.l.

really? post a screencap where ccbill allows "lifetime" rebills.

[sicone]

Some good info and thank you for bringing it to our attention, however you really should investigate each and every site completely before you put up claims such as this

[sortie]

Originally Posted by BVF

really? post a screencap where ccbill allows "lifetime" rebills.

99 months is life time.

Or at least at that point you should quit asking to get paid for one fucking link.

[dooglas]

Wow this list is huge! I had no idea so many didn't offer rebills. Thanks!

[Argos88]

Now I understand why my CCBILL Rebills sucked so fucking much...

is this even allowed?? What the fuck is going on here? Arghhhh...

Can you confirm: Are you saying those programs just stop crediting rebills to their affiliates, but they keep the rebills going for theirselves?

This is really fucked up, man. ARGHHHHHH..........

Bookmarking that URL right now... I also have this one in my bookmarks: http://www.signbucksdaily.com/marketing/blacklist/

.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by sortie

99 months is life time.

Or at least at that point you should quit asking to get paid for one fucking link.

Give me a SCREENCAP when you're in the ccbill admin where it gives you the option of lifetime rebills.

[Argos88]

BTW, is there any way to check if a CCBILL sponsor has rebills or not?

(Besides asking the sponsor...)

And any way if the Motherfucker Sponsor owner has cut the rebill but the member is still active?? Any way to check this with the subscription ID or any other way?

If we ask, CCBILL via email, will they answer if a list of subscriptions are still active or not?

First time I hear about this.. obviouly, some people do a lot of effort to hide the real info from affiliates..

[Dirty Dane]

Perfecto is right. Some of those are PPS.

I check it sometimes in ccbill, because it can also be set individual. But then I also check if its PPS. CCBill should send emails if something is changed, IMO.

[pinupglam]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I'm confused about PinupDollars being on there. They have migrated to NATS, but didn't they pay on rebills when they were a CCBill program? I'll be perturbed if they do not pay on rebills because, unless explicitly stated otherwise, one expects ALL revshare programs to pay on rebills.

We pay on ALL our rebills. All the time. 100%. Without fail.

Yes, we switched to NATS but every single rebill we have and do goes through NATS, including all rebills that were from initial transactions that came before we made the switch. Any of you who are affiliates can check your stats and check your bi-monthly payouts you get from us and you can verify that is the case.

I don't know why or how we got on that list, but whatever the reason it is a pure fabrication. We haven't been in business for 12 years pulling BS like that and I personally really resent someone coming on here, putting our name on some blacklist with zero evidence to back up any of what they are saying.

[signupdamnit]

Some of you please give the guy a break:

So this list is very raw. Some programs pay PPS, so it's ok if that option is off, some are gone. We don't have enough time to check it on our own, so it's up to you guys )

He mentioned this was automated and not individually checked. If your program is listed you aren't definitively being called a cheater. It's only stating that according to their run you seem to have the settings as indicated for whatever reason.

[pinupglam]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Some of you please give the guy a break:



He mentioned this was automated and not individually checked. If your program is listed you aren't definitively being called a cheater. It's only stating that according to their run you seem to have the settings as indicated for whatever reason.

The problem is, a lot of people aren't reading that part of it and are just assuming that it's all true. We've already been getting pissed off emails from affiliates asking what's going on thanks solely to this thread.

Publishing an unverified blacklist and following it up with a fine print disclaimer that reads "this list may not be accurate" is bullshit.

[Hippy_Chick]

GFY Rule #9.

False accusations against a person or company.

We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong.

Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof.

If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else,
have your proof in order and post it with your claim.

False accusations will be grounds for Immediate Banning

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by pinupglam

The problem is, a lot of people aren't reading that part of it and are just assuming that it's all true. We've already been getting pissed off emails from affiliates asking what's going on thanks solely to this thread.

Publishing an unverified blacklist and following it up with a fine print disclaimer that reads "this list may not be accurate" is bullshit.

I see your point a bit. While it is hardly a "fine print disclaimer" on this forum (It's in the same font and clearly visible), I don't see any notice on that page he links to stating that it was collected in an automated manner and that it has not been individually checked.

Agreed that it might be a good idea to make that notice bold or move it to the top on the GFY post but I don't think he can edit it now himself an admin would have to do it for him.

[blonda80]

useful thread. thank you

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Hippy_Chick

GFY Rule #9.

False accusations against a person or company.

We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong.

Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof.

If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else,
have your proof in order and post it with your claim.

False accusations will be grounds for Immediate Banning

Not a false accusation. See my post a few replies up. He clearly stated what the list was and was not. He stated that there might be legit reasons for a program to have it set this way and asked GFY users to check it for ourselves.

[papill0n]

so dizzle fizzle has a list on which he claims pinupdollars isnt paying on rebills ?

this is a very serious accusation and unless dizzy can provide proof he should be banned

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by papill0n

so dizzle fizzle has a list on which he claims pinupdollars isnt paying on rebills ?

this is a very serious accusation and unless dizzy can provide proof he should be banned

Again, the guy claimed no such thing. I realize people don't like him but:

(from his post)

So this list is very raw. Some programs pay PPS, so it's ok if that option is off, some are gone. We don't have enough time to check it on our own, so it's up to you guys )

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I see your point a bit. While it is hardly a "fine print disclaimer" on this forum (It's in the same font and clearly visible), I don't see any notice on that page he links to stating that it was collected in an automated manner and that it has not been individually checked.

Agreed that it might be a good idea to make that notice bold or move it to the top on the GFY post but I don't think he can edit it now himself an admin would have to do it for him.

you see his point a bit ?

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Not a false accusation. See my post a few replies up. He clearly stated what the list was and was not. He stated that there might be legit reasons for a program to have it set this way and asked GFY users to check it for ourselves.

are you dizzys sister?

his list clearly states his list of programs that don't pay on rebills

that is a very fucked up situation and not an accusation to be thrown around lightly

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Again, the guy claimed no such thing. I realize people don't like him but:

(from his post)

read the fucking thread title

and yeah you bet I dont like the guy

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by papill0n

you see his point a bit ?



are you dizzys sister?

his list clearly states his list of programs that don't pay on rebills

that is a very fucked up situation and not an accusation to be thrown around lightly

Say what? It's a list his programmer compiled presumably by setting up a program to automatically parse the settings which ccbill's affiliate admin reports. He is duplicating what it spit out. He didn't state "Here is a list of cheating scumbags which I have compiled and verified by hand"

Do you understand how programs work and that they usually are automated? I'd think most people here would. HE disclosed what the list was, although not in the best way possible and his site seems to lack this information.