The RIAA loses money on their piracy lawsuits

[stocktrader23]

But keep trying, idiots.

Better yet, make your piece of shit websites worth joining. They weren't worth $30 in 2004 and they damn sure aren't worth $30 now.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-money-pit.ars

[Barefootsies]

I think gideongallery said something about that a few months back.

Waste of time and money historically for the RIAA.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Nathan

It scares me that someone can be proud to be making the same mistakes as RIAA did and actually brag about it.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

Ah Nathan, maybe we should just let has-beens be has-beens.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I think gideongallery said something about that a few months back.

Waste of time and money historically for the RIAA.

It has been reported that artists make more money in the file sharing age than before it. Allegedly both in number of artists and average income.

http://torrentfreak.com/artists-make...before-100914/

Fucking magnets, how do those work?

[cambaby]

agreed, but they of course have the right to try the lawsuit route, I mean its the lazy way to make money

oh and txt 404040 with code porn69 to get my free mobile porn sample

[stocktrader23]

If nobody noticed I am LOLing about those in the industry that think suing fans will help anything. How about adapting to the current times and doing something DIFFERENT that will make you money?

[Argos88]

Exactly.. this is something that ignorants like Robby don't understand and will never understand because they are IQ limited.

All Said. Period.
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[SteveLightspeed]

People aren't embarrassed when their neighbors find out they downloaded a few songs, but illegally trading midget, tranny, facials, and teen porn content? There is some news worth keeping from the wife, kids, parents, and neighbors.

Please feel free to continue to compare this to the RIAA...

Steve Lightspeed

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If nobody noticed I am LOLing about those in the industry that think suing fans will help anything. How about adapting to the current times and doing something DIFFERENT that will make you money?

Like what, loading pirated content to a tube site and selling the traffic to dating, poker, and livecams? There's a great idea!

Are you really so upset that a few content companies are trying to recoup some lost revenue? No one expects to make a dent in internet piracy here.

What is your dog in this fight?

Steve Lightspeed

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Like what, loading pirated content to a tube site and selling the traffic to dating, poker, and livecams? There's a great idea!

Are you really so upset that a few content companies are trying to recoup some lost revenue? No one expects to make a dent in internet piracy here.

What is your dog in this fight?

Steve Lightspeed

No, I understand your frustration. Sometimes you just have to look at things and go "Fuck, I really can't do shit about this so maybe I should adjust." and call it a day.

[SteveLightspeed]

I AM adjusting.

[Blingbaby]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

People aren't embarrassed when their neighbors find out they downloaded a few songs, but illegally trading midget, tranny, facials, and teen porn content? There is some news worth keeping from the wife, kids, parents, and neighbors.

Please feel free to continue to compare this to the RIAA...

Steve Lightspeed

Really? You have helped oversaturate the web with porn to where it's not necessary to pay for it and it's nearly *mainstream*. You really think anyone cares or would be surprised that their neighbors stream porn? Wake up man..

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Blingbaby

Really? You have helped oversaturate the web with porn to where it's not necessary to pay for it and it's nearly *mainstream*. You really think anyone cares or would be surprised that their neighbors stream porn? Wake up man..

porn isnt mainstream ,it seems that way because we are all around it but its not.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I AM adjusting.

By suing the shit out of people that like your work? If I thought you would end up with a pile of money (even if it wasn't deserved) I would say go for it. I think you'll just end up with more headaches and disappointment when there are much better options.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by tony299

porn isnt mainstream ,it seems that way because we are all around it but its not.

Tony, porn is absolutely mainstream. Those that don't like it just don't like it but everyone knows that everyone else is wanking it. Even big mainstream sites have porn sections now, some with amateur goodness included.

[SteveLightspeed]

Btw, all the work being done by our lawyers is on contingency, so I really have nothing to lose here.

[mynameisjim]

Regardless of your views on piracy and file sharing, it's too complex an issue to be proven one way or the other by cherry picking one or two articles.

One thing I do notice about those in adult is that everything has to be so black and white. The industry is either booming or it's totally dead. A niche is either red hot or it's not worth even bothering with. etc.

Has anyone realized that you can do both. That is, you can take advantage of new technologies to sell and market your product and also use legal measures to protect it.

There is no need to split into one camp or the other.

[SteveLightspeed]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Regardless of your views on piracy and file sharing, it's too complex an issue to be proven one way or the other by cherry picking one or two articles.

One thing I do notice about those in adult is that everything has to be so black and white. The industry is either booming or it's totally dead. A niche is either red hot or it's not worth even bothering with. etc.

Has anyone realized that you can do both. That is, you can take advantage of new technologies to sell and market your product and also use legal measures to protect it.

There is no need to split into one camp or the other.

Oh no, not.... someone with common sense on GFY!!! Run for your lives!

[kane]

Originally Posted by Blingbaby

Really? You have helped oversaturate the web with porn to where it's not necessary to pay for it and it's nearly *mainstream*. You really think anyone cares or would be surprised that their neighbors stream porn? Wake up man..

It all depends on where you live. The guy that moved in next door to me is gay. He then had the audacity to get a boyfriend that spends the night. The neighbor on the other side of me immediately hung a sign in her window about being anti-gay marriage. She won't say a word to him and tells everyone she comes across that he is gay, a sinner and evil. She even wrote the local paper a letter telling them that the gays were "infiltrating" our community.

I would guess if she found out another neighbor was downloading tranny porn, she would have the same reaction. Porn is one of those things that millions look at, but nobody talks about.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

If nobody noticed I am LOLing about those in the industry that think suing fans will help anything. How about adapting to the current times and doing something DIFFERENT that will make you money?

Such as?

I read so much of this "Adapt or Die" shit and nothing to ever back it up. In your other thread you showed your ignorance of this business, pre Tubes or post Tubes. It was about finding a "special girl" to fulfill an idea. Pipe dreams at the best.

Steve is adapting and suing pirates. Time will tell if he makes money. Stop calling pirates fans and Nathan stop talking shit.

Fighting against people who actually infringed on the content I can completely agree with, we send thousands of DMCA notices each and every week for our content. But fighting against the people that do not know better and download them, and actually get acquainted to your content and actually INCREASE your sales, that's just fucked up...

As many have said, start working on selling something that is worth buying instead of trying to make more money by suing people, this will end badly.. in 1 or 2 years we will have a nightmare on our hands...

You are alienating yourself towards your fans, it makes no sense, you will LOSE more than you gain...

If that were true sponsors would be seeing an increase in sales not a decrease. In the 1 or 2 years of Tubes we do have a nightmare on our hands. People pirating content are not fans.

[SpongeBub]

But if I, someone who has never uploaded anything in my life, go to a tube site or a rapidshare trade forum, and d/l content that I have not a clue as to it's legality, should I be sued?

[flashfire]

same shit as people stealing our content

[kazbalah]

I saw figures, about how long it would take to sue everyone on kazaa for example.

3000 YEARS.

And after 1500 years i bet another 2000 years of work will be created.

If they started changing a few dollars online for a movie or an album, alot of people would pay for it.

The people have spoken, time to provide the products and services they DEMAND.

[kane]

Originally Posted by SpongeBub

But if I, someone who has never uploaded anything in my life, go to a tube site or a rapidshare trade forum, and d/l content that I have not a clue as to it's legality, should I be sued?

Ignorance is never a defense when it comes to the law. If you are doing 45 in a 35 mph zone and get pulled over you can argue that you didn't know it was a 35mph zone, but if the cops wants to he can still write you a ticket.

[kane]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

I saw figures, about how long it would take to sue everyone on kazaa for example.

3000 YEARS.

And after 1500 years i bet another 2000 years of work will be created.

If they started changing a few dollars online for a movie or an album, alot of people would pay for it.

The people have spoken, time to provide the products and services they DEMAND.

Here is the problem with that mindset. Many of the people who download simply will not pay even if the item is available online for a cheap price. Just go to torretfreak.com and read any of the articles that are about rulings or situations that go against pirates. Read the comments. They are filled with comments from people who say they will never pay and they actually see themselves as some kind of freedom fighter by downloading stuff for free. I'm sure there are some people who would pay, but most simply won't.

Prices for music are already very fair. 99cents per song is fair. $10 per album is fair. It is something you can keep and listen to forever and it never wears out or breaks. I have albums that I have listened to hundreds of times over the span of my life. I think pay $10 for something that will potentially entertain me for decades is fair. That said, even if the whole album was $2 there will still be a ton of people who would download it for free.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by mynameisjim

Regardless of your views on piracy and file sharing, it's too complex an issue to be proven one way or the other by cherry picking one or two articles.

One thing I do notice about those in adult is that everything has to be so black and white. The industry is either booming or it's totally dead. A niche is either red hot or it's not worth even bothering with. etc.

Has anyone realized that you can do both. That is, you can take advantage of new technologies to sell and market your product and also use legal measures to protect it.

There is no need to split into one camp or the other.

True. I just think many people are of the opinion that blackmailing the owner of an IP address that may or may not have downloaded your content isn't really that brilliant of an idea.

We used to innovate, now we blackmail.

[kazbalah]

Your right Kane.

I think thats the problem here, its a very difficult situation.

I just see all these people filing lawsuits are going to be wasting thier time, thier certainly must be another solution.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

We used to innovate, now we blackmail.

How did we "used to innovate"?

The innovation was often on how fast and how much we could load the Internet with free porn. Very little innovation goes into the product that keeps buyers buying. And HD isn't innovating.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

I just see all these people filing lawsuits are going to be wasting thier time, thier certainly must be another solution.

There are other solutions.

The first one would be for all affiliates to black list any sponsor, site or company sending traffic to Tubes or own them. But I see in your signature where your heart lies.

[kazbalah]

lol everyone keeps mentioning my signature.

This is actually my brothers GFY account im using to post up - but yea ill tell him about it.. i have only just realized what brazbucks is doing with thier tube sites.

But let me ask you paul, do you think we should just get rid of the tube sites?

[kazbalah]

BTW Paul - do you have permission to use superman as your avatar?

Thats copyright infringment mate

[inabon]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

btw paul - do you have permission to use superman as your avatar?

Thats copyright infringment mate

ouch!!!!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

lol everyone keeps mentioning my signature.

This is actually my brothers GFY account im using to post up - but yea ill tell him about it.. i have only just realized what brazbucks is doing with thier tube sites.

But let me ask you paul, do you think we should just get rid of the tube sites?

Not sure if we can get rid of them, but we could make a huge dent in their profits.

Don't send traffic to sites advertising, supporting or owning Tubes. They are the problem, helping these companies is shooting yourself in the foot.

The same goes for companies advertising on message boards that allow pirated content to be linked to or shown on their sites.

All these sites sucking the life out of the industry rely on advertisers and affiliates to make money. No advertisers no profit, no Tubes.

You need to tell your brother to change his signature and stop fucking himself in his ass.

Yes need to delete the Superman logo.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Such as?

I read so much of this "Adapt or Die" shit and nothing to ever back it up. In your other thread you showed your ignorance of this business, pre Tubes or post Tubes. It was about finding a "special girl" to fulfill an idea. Pipe dreams at the best.

Steve is adapting and suing pirates. Time will tell if he makes money. Stop calling pirates fans and Nathan stop talking shit.



If that were true sponsors would be seeing an increase in sales not a decrease. In the 1 or 2 years of Tubes we do have a nightmare on our hands. People pirating content are not fans.

Paul, you are usually a nice guy but FUCK YOU.

You come in here talking about how important content is but post some of the shittiest adult content around. You and most others still haven't figured out how to make photoshoots look more amateurish as just a single example of the incompetence.

As for what I know, I'm perfectly fine. Rarely, and I mean very rarely, does something I put together not work. I am very familiar with this business and how God damned stupid those playing in it have become. Once leaders, now asshat old timers holding on to the way things were.

As for the single girl I'm talking about, that is my PET FUCKING PROJECT that I will not just hand over to someone. I already know it will work, just waiting on the right person or group of persons to do it. I didn't mean the perfect look, the perfect height, or the perfect tits. I meant that it has to be a girl that is actively involved and have a producer that is willing to try new things. Since I have no interest in running any full fledged site myself I have to find someone to work with. If I don't, I'll be just fine.

Anyhow, now there are two of us talking like we know shit. People can draw their own conclusions about that.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Paul, you are usually a nice guy but FUCK YOU.

You come in here talking about how important content is but post some of the shittiest adult content around. You and most others still haven't figured out how to make photoshoots look more amateurish as just a single example of the incompetence.

I've listened to this Blah Blah for 0ver 10 years now. I shot SETS, not sets and videos, that were worth $3,000 and more. I did that because "amateur" paid $1,000 Not because I can't shoot amateur. Pay what magazines paid and we will shoot anything you ask for. UK magazines paid $1,000, US paid $1,500 to $2,000. For the same set, we sold twice and we still own these sets and sold them in more places, EU, AU and the Internet. Go ask any shooter working only for Internet sites how much they get paid for a solo girl set.

So $3,000+ for shitty content suits me down to the ground.

Not every set, but maybe 100 a year.

As for the single girl I'm talking about, that is my PET FUCKING PROJECT that I will not just hand over to someone. I already know it will work, just waiting on the right person or group of persons to do it. I didn't mean the perfect look, the perfect height, or the perfect tits. I meant that it has to be a girl that is actively involved and have a producer that is willing to try new things. Since I have no interest in running any full fledged site myself I have to find someone to work with. If I don't, I'll be just fine.

So not only do you need a girl for your pet project you need a producer as well.

Let me tell you how this business works. If you get a model and a producer you just handed your PET PROJECT over to them. Keep dreaming.

Anyhow, now there are two of us talking like we know shit. People can draw their own conclusions about that.

No when it comes to shooting, just you are talking shit.

I just read in the other thread you drove traffic. That's gives you no knowledge what so ever of models and producers. LOL

[gooddomains]

why is everyone hammering on tube sites? They have been one of the best outcome of the whole web 2.0 mess....

[johnsteele]

Well hello everyone.
This is Steve Lightspeed's %$#^!@* lawyer who is handling his lawsuit (this way I can let several of the posters here fill in the blank).

I would like to congratulate Steve for sticking with us for the whopping 30 days or so it took for us to go from starting the lawsuit to getting him his first check (Should go out tomorrow Steve). 30 DAYS. Is it huge? No(t yet). Is it more than Steve would have made had he sat around complaining on a blogsite about how everyone else is a loser? Yes.

Steve, I look forward to many more checks and laughing at all the people who think that illegal down loaders are somehow fans that need to be treated with kid gloves rather than the industry destroying thieves they are. I can't wait to sue a couple of thousand more pirates for you. I will see you in a couple of weeks.

John Steele

[CrkMStanz]

Originally Posted by johnsteele

Well hello everyone.
This is Steve Lightspeed's %$#^!@* lawyer who is handling his lawsuit (this way I can let several of the posters here fill in the blank).

I would like to congratulate Steve for sticking with us for the whopping 30 days or so it took for us to go from starting the lawsuit to getting him his first check (Should go out tomorrow Steve). 30 DAYS. Is it huge? No(t yet). Is it more than Steve would have made had he sat around complaining on a blogsite about how everyone else is a loser? Yes.

Steve, I look forward to many more checks and laughing at all the people who think that illegal down loaders are somehow fans that need to be treated with kid gloves rather than the industry destroying thieves they are. I can't wait to sue a couple of thousand more pirates for you. I will see you in a couple of weeks.

John Steele

nice!

many to you (both)

.

[Major (Tom)]

I create something worth buying. Clearly. Yet it get's stolen, still. Why? Because it's worth stealing. Why pay for it when it's available for free. Would you pay for your booze if a guy was across the street from a bar giving it away for free? Na.
Duke

[Davy]

The RIAA might loose money - porn companies won't.

[Nautilus]

Originally Posted by johnsteele

Well hello everyone.
This is Steve Lightspeed's %$#^!@* lawyer who is handling his lawsuit (this way I can let several of the posters here fill in the blank).

I would like to congratulate Steve for sticking with us for the whopping 30 days or so it took for us to go from starting the lawsuit to getting him his first check (Should go out tomorrow Steve). 30 DAYS. Is it huge? No(t yet). Is it more than Steve would have made had he sat around complaining on a blogsite about how everyone else is a loser? Yes.

Steve, I look forward to many more checks and laughing at all the people who think that illegal down loaders are somehow fans that need to be treated with kid gloves rather than the industry destroying thieves they are. I can't wait to sue a couple of thousand more pirates for you. I will see you in a couple of weeks.

John Steele

Way to go!

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How did we "used to innovate"?

The innovation was often on how fast and how much we could load the Internet with free porn. Very little innovation goes into the product that keeps buyers buying. And HD isn't innovating.

You probably are unaware, but many many technical innovations happened because of porn. Streaming video on the net. Multi angle DVDs. VHS. etc etc.

Now we are reduced to boasting about how many thousands we'll make blackmailing people.

I think that's sad.

You think it's good.

Cool.

[$5 submissions]

And CD sales are still down...

[Nautilus]

Freeloaders are some "fans" indeed.

Here is an eye opening comment from pornbb for those who think they're "fans" who shouldn't be offended:

"Nice, an entire thread full of dead posts. Why bother? links seem to stay up for about 5 minutes nowadays. Guess the "content creators" think I'll just go give them money now and pay at the site --- wrong! Doesn't work that way guys."

Until we show them that it "doesn't work that way" they'll just keep on ripping our member areas left and right to post and download it free.

Wonder why we're "content creators" in his remark and not content creators? Because in their world ORIGINAL POSTER is the producer of any stuff that appears on their boards/torrents/ etc. So they're fans, yes, but they're not YOUR fans, as they do not recognize people who actually create stuff. They're fans of the OP - he gets all the thanks and recognition for all of his "hard work". We the actual producers either do not exist at all in their mindset, or exist in the form of some distant vague depersonalized evil that kills links, wants money from ppl and generally is up to no good.

Those lawsuits will be a wake up call for the gang and show them who's the boss here.

[kane]

Here is something I never got about people worrying about suing customers.

I realize this is comparing two different things, but the idea is basically the same.

I live near one of those one stop shop stores. They have a big grocery section and also sell a lot of other stuff including TV's. CD's, DVD's, Games, clothes, auto parts etc. I would say that I do about 90% of my grocery shopping there. I also buy other stuff there because it is convienent. So say I spend around $500 a month there, a person might consider me to be a good customer. But I wouldn't have to steal too much from them before they were banning me from the store, good customer or not.

If said to them, "But I am a good customer. I buy a lot of stuff here. There are still 20 copies of this DVD on the shelf so you aren't going to be missing a sale if I take it. Just let me take a DVD or a CD or maybe a pair of shoes or something every now and then and I will keep coming back and shopping here. If you don't let me do that and you try to have me arrested, I'll take my business elsewhere." they would laugh me out of the store and invite me to take my business elsewhere. Yet somehow many content producers and media groups are afraid of upsetting those customers who are taking from them.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Regardless of what the right way to go about it is, I do think we as an industry suffer a bit from there not being so much shame around looking at porn any longer. Of course, we helped to change that and so we are getting hung with out own rope. When I first started doing this, nobody outside of the industry ever mentioned porn to me. Now, I will have even my most straight laced of friends talk about openly at the pub about surfing tubes for porn.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

And CD sales are still down...

LOL. So is vinyl. And cassette.

[Emil]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

LOL. So is vinyl. And cassette.

Dont forget VHS.