Some webmasters don't understand their role in the big scheme of things.

[stocktrader23]

[Machete_]

speaking of schemes,

how's your $40/traffic gig going?

[stocktrader23]

speaking of schemes,

how's your $40/traffic gig going?

Better than your hairline.

[will76]

speaking of schemes,

how's your $40/traffic gig going?

how much did you pay for this nick? Why did you buy one? What happened to your old nick? why are you the first or second person to reply in every thread.

Between you and Agent88 you guys must be on here 26 hours a day. Get a life and get away from GFY for a little while.

[Alprazolam]

more like some of them think they're more valuable than they are. time to view your surroundings affiliates. the landscape has changed. the days of being a premadonna are over. buck up and be a business person and realize that you play a complimentary role in the sponsors business models now. if you think it's more than that, you're out of touch. i know, i'm and affiliate, and i run a small program that you've never heard of. we select our affiliates by hand. the days of begging for affiliate joins are over.

:2cents

[Wizzo]

Is that Dwreck's Dad?

[stocktrader23]

more like some of them think they're more valuable than they are. time to view your surroundings affiliates. the landscape has changed. the days of being a premadonna are over. buck up and be a business person and realize that you play a complimentary role in the sponsors business models now. if you think it's more than that, you're out of touch. i know, i'm and affiliate, and i run a small program that you've never heard of. we select our affiliates by hand. the days of begging for affiliate joins are over.

:2cents

That's what I said.

[Alprazolam]

That's what I said.

someone else gets it. i don't feel so alone now.

[signupdamnit]

more like some of them think they're more valuable than they are. time to view your surroundings affiliates. the landscape has changed. the days of being a premadonna are over. buck up and be a business person and realize that you play a complimentary role in the sponsors business models now. if you think it's more than that, you're out of touch. i know, i'm and affiliate, and i run a small program that you've never heard of. we select our affiliates by hand. the days of begging for affiliate joins are over.

:2cents

All true but affiliate sales are still like free money. There's an opportunity cost for not taking them. But it's also a balance. On one end you have the affiliates who send 1 sale a year and want you to make custom promo material for them and every other week they hit you up about something. On the other end you have sponsors who are outright stealing from affiliates by refusing to pay old rebills or other such things. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

It's also one of the biggest myths that the affiliate doesn't have any power and is the low man on the totem pole in 2010. That's not true as long as you still have traffic that buys. You still have plenty of choices on where to send them, don't let anyone fool you.

[stocktrader23]

Program owner response?

[12clicks]

All true but affiliate sales are still like free money. There's an opportunity cost for not taking them. But it's also a balance. On one end you have the affiliates who send 1 sale a year and want you to make custom promo material for them and every other week they hit you up about something. On the other end you have sponsors who are outright stealing from affiliates by refusing to pay old rebills or other such things. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

It's also one of the biggest myths that the affiliate doesn't have any power and is the low man on the totem pole in 2010. That's not true as long as you still have traffic that buys. You still have plenty of choices on where to send them, don't let anyone fool you.

incorrect.

[Alprazolam]

All true but affiliate sales are still like free money. There's an opportunity cost for not taking them. But it's also a balance. On one end you have the affiliates who send 1 sale a year and want you to make custom promo material for them and every other week they hit you up about something. On the other end you have sponsors who are outright stealing from affiliates by refusing to pay old rebills or other such things. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

It's also one of the biggest myths that the affiliate doesn't have any power and is the low man on the totem pole in 2010. That's not true as long as you still have traffic that buys. You still have plenty of choices on where to send them, don't let anyone fool you.

note:
most of what you are saying is incorrect. the affiliates with traffic anymore are not on gfy. sad but true. it's the one sale per month wonders that are running around begging for these new pay methods mostly. they are also the ones that scream but can't back up bullshit on the boards. the 90/10 rule is in effect big time with the affiliate market. it used to be 80/20, but pretty sure it's close to 90/10 now. having traffic 4 years ago, and still pretending to have traffic now are two different things. that's what you've got going on here on good old gfy.

[stocktrader23]

incorrect.

Damn, 12clicks agrees with me.

[signupdamnit]

incorrect.

How? There are thousands of sponsors. Thousands of non-paysites in the industry (dating, cams, pills). Thousands of mainstream programs even where a webmaster can put up ads on their site and generate sales. All those choices aren't going to disappear and even if they did there are still ways to monetize your traffic.

[signupdamnit]

note:
most of what you are saying is incorrect. the affiliates with traffic anymore are not on gfy. sad but true. it's the one sale per month wonders that are running around begging for these new pay methods mostly. they are also the ones that scream but can't back up bullshit on the boards. the 90/10 rule is in effect big time with the affiliate market. it used to be 80/20, but pretty sure it's close to 90/10 now. having traffic 4 years ago, and still pretending to have traffic now are two different things. that's what you've got going on here on good old gfy.

I don't understand all the people demanding Paxum either. Especially not the ones in the US. For fucks sake if you don't like the payout method just use another sponsor.

[12clicks]

How? There are thousands of sponsors. Thousands of non-paysites in the industry (dating, cams, pills). Thousands of mainstream programs even where a webmaster can put up ads on their site and generate sales. All those choices aren't going to disappear and even if they did there are still ways to monetize your traffic.

because there are thousands upon thousands of affiliates. no single affiliate has ANY power over a sponsor and we all know and have seen first hand how often you can get a group large enough to hit critical mass together and then hold it to do what you imagine needs to be done to twist a sponsors arm.


your power is imaginary.

[pornguy]

Is that Dwreck's Dad?

Yep I think so.

[signupdamnit]

because there are thousands upon thousands of affiliates. no single affiliate has ANY power over a sponsor and we all know and have seen first hand how often you can get a group large enough to hit critical mass together and then hold it to do what you imagine needs to be done to twist a sponsors arm.


your power is imaginary.

It's not power it's simply choice. I don't want any power over you and I don't need to twist your arm. I'll simply send traffic to someone else if I don't like the way I am being treated. I don't care what you do otherwise because it won't affect me.

[epitome]

All true but affiliate sales are still like free money. There's an opportunity cost for not taking them. But it's also a balance. On one end you have the affiliates who send 1 sale a year and want you to make custom promo material for them and every other week they hit you up about something. On the other end you have sponsors who are outright stealing from affiliates by refusing to pay old rebills or other such things. Somewhere in the middle is where we should be.

It's also one of the biggest myths that the affiliate doesn't have any power and is the low man on the totem pole in 2010. That's not true as long as you still have traffic that buys. You still have plenty of choices on where to send them, don't let anyone fool you.

It's moving to in-house traffic generation and swaps. I hope you have a Plan B! The affiliate model is dying.

[signupdamnit]

It's moving to in-house traffic generation and swaps. I hope you have a Plan B! The affiliate model is dying.

Mostly I see the biggest scumbags exiting. There will always be someone who wants additional sales from extra traffic. If not the webmaster is free to monetize the traffic themselves.

[epitome]

Mostly I see the biggest scumbags exiting. There will always be someone who wants additional sales from extra traffic. If not the webmaster is free to monetize the traffic themselves.

Yes, there will always be "someone" but I think overall, affiliates are going to have a harder time making their income.

Every relatively large program I know spends more time talking about in-house traffic generation than how to grow their affiliate base and sales from it.

It is much easier for them to pay one or more people to buy ads and work out swaps than keep a designer busy making custom tools, someone handling affiliate support and keeping NATS updated, providing additional accounting support, check fees, etc.

[Alprazolam]

signupdamnit i'm not picking on you. fyi.

[stocktrader23]

Mostly I see the biggest scumbags exiting. There will always be someone who wants additional sales from extra traffic. If not the webmaster is free to monetize the traffic themselves.

Big webmasters are already doing this. In mainstream a lot of webmasters moved from the affiliate model to processing their own cards and paying someone else to deliver the content. There are people making millions doing this as we speak. Problem is, would you really call them an affiliate now? Sounds to me like they turned into the program owners that we keep telling everyone will make all the cash sans affiliates.

[signupdamnit]

signupdamnit i'm not picking on you. fyi.

No problem, it's cool. Didn't think you were. I need to get off here and get some work done anyway.

[Machete_]

because there are thousands upon thousands of affiliates. no single affiliate has ANY power over a sponsor and we all know and have seen first hand how often you can get a group large enough to hit critical mass together and then hold it to do what you imagine needs to be done to twist a sponsors arm.


your power is imaginary.

Thousands of affiliates, each making 1 sale per day, translates into decent revenue. Your argument is invalid.

[stocktrader23]

Thousands of affiliates, each making 1 sale per day, translates into decent revenue. Your argument is invalid.

Too bad it's spread out over 500 programs and costs lots of money to accept. If $30 in sales = $30 in the programs pocket you would be right. Unfortunately, you are wrong again.

[12clicks]

It's also one of the biggest myths that the affiliate doesn't have any power and is the low man on the totem pole in 2010.

It's not power it's simply choice. I don't want any power over you and I don't need to twist your arm.

get back to me when you figure out what you want to say.

[12clicks]

Thousands of affiliates, each making 1 sale per day, translates into decent revenue. Your argument is invalid.

sure it is, sparky.
I'm sure you have a wealth of experience running affiliate programs to back that up.

what was the name of them again?
they slip my mind at the moment.

[C H R I S]

Is that Dwreck's Dad?

It does kinda look like him.

[Machete_]

Too bad it's spread out over 500 programs and costs lots of money to accept. If $30 in sales = $30 in the programs pocket you would be right. Unfortunately, you are wrong again.

What is spread over 500 programs?
I'm talking about one program having 1000 of affiliates who send 1 sale per day. What's hard to understand?

Ok, maybe 1000 affiliates is a bit unrealistic for an average program. Let's say 100 affiliates. It's still good cash.

It's easier to get many small people sending little sales, than finding a few whales who send massive sales.

Besides, it's in programs best interest to have a big pool of small webmasters who send very few sales and take months to reach minimum payout. The program gets to keep their cash for all that time, until they reach min payout.

sure it is, sparky.
I'm sure you have a wealth of experience running affiliate programs to back that up.

what was the name of them again?
they slip my mind at the moment.

Yeah, because we all know what a great success your program is.

STFU

[stocktrader23]

What is spread over 500 programs?
I'm talking about one program having 1000 of affiliates who send 1 sale per day. What's hard to understand?

Ok, maybe 1000 affiliates is a bit unrealistic for an average program. Let's say 100 affiliates. It's still good cash.

It's easier to get many small people sending little sales, than finding a few whales who send massive sales.

Besides, it's in programs best interest to have a big pool of small webmasters who send very few sales and take months to reach minimum payout. The program gets to keep their cash for all that time, until they reach min payout.



Yeah, because we all know what a great success your program is.

STFU

Just how many programs do you think have 100 affiliates sending one sale per day? You've bought into the hype sir.

[12clicks]

Yeah, because we all know what a great success your program is.

STFU

thats an odd program name. here, use one of these, they'll be more recognizable and give you more credibility than you have now:
trollbucks.com
idiottraffic.com
nobodycash.com

[Alprazolam]

90% of a programs affiliates bring in less than 10% of their overall revenue these days. max would be 80% bringing in 20% of the revenue. The 90% that bring the smallest amount of revenue also account for the 90% of the overhead in dealing with them. translation: if you're a little bitch and make yourself a problem, you become undesirable to deal with.

the affiliates who are bringing in the other 10 or 20% of the volume of the affiliate pool are never heard from, never make a peep, and don't ask for anything. they are rockstars and they handle business.

[Cyber Fucker]

Lol    

[signupdamnit]

get back to me when you figure out what you want to say.

Splitting hairs... Choice is power from ones own perspective, but that doesn't necessarily mean one needs power over someone else. The point being you don't have power over affiliates because they don't have to do business with *you*.

Anyway I think actions speak louder than words. If you don't want affiliates then no one is forcing you to accept them or to even run a program and ask for them in your sig. What exactly is the issue? It's a stupid argument. I'll do what I want and you'll do what you want.