Traffic sellers -- I'll buy your traffic, IF...

[SteveLightspeed]

If you are established, legal, ethical, and offer a "break even" guarantee. Any takers? Teen, lesbian, voyeur and sologirl niches

Contact me on icq 272-95-695

Steve Lightspeed

[Randy West]

...and offer a "break even" guarantee.

Good luck

[mineistaken]

I agree with the "good luck". If they offered it they would send traffic to their own sites.
Now there might be somebody to offer you that but just for good publicity.

[Waiter]

yeah .... "good luck"

[SteveLightspeed]

I agree with the "good luck". If they offered it they would send traffic to their own sites.
Now there might be somebody to offer you that but just for good publicity.

I don't think its too much to ask for someone to stand behind their own product.

[Machete_]

"break even" guarantee.

That's a big IF.

Considering you are the one responsible for converting the traffic (content, processors, etc)

[Machete_]

I don't think its too much to ask for someone to stand behind their own product.

Yeah, but can you vouch for your product? Probably yes, but seller would have to take your word for it.

[SteveLightspeed]

Yeah, but can you vouch for your product? Probably yes, but seller would have to take your word for it.

My products are online and verifiable. And I have 12 years of solid history in the industry to back my "word" up.

[mineistaken]

I don't think its too much to ask for someone to stand behind their own product.

What I mean:

Lets say I am traffic seller. You ask me for that guarantee, I agree. I sell traffic for 1000$ and you make 700$. So I should send you 300$ to match my guarantee. I made 700$.

So why should I bother selling under these terms if I could just send the same traffic to my sites and make the same 700$.

Note: of course it does not mean that you and me will make the same 700$ because your and mine sites may be different, but you get the principle.

[Kiopa_Matt]

offer a "break even" guarantee.

No offense, and I know you're a fairly wealthy guy and all, but that's just stupid. That's like someone saying, "Ok, I'll pay you $3000 to develop this online operation for me, but only if you can provide me a guarantee I'll make at least $3000 with it.".

That's just dumb.

[SteveLightspeed]

What I mean:

Lets say I am traffic seller. You ask me for that guarantee, I agree. I sell traffic for 1000$ and you make 700$. So I should send you 300$ to match my guarantee. I made 700$.

So why should I bother selling under these terms if I could just send the same traffic to my sites and make the same 700$.

Note: of course it does not mean that you and me will make the same 700$ because your and mine sites may be different, but you get the principle.

I wouldn't expect the $300 refund, but I would expect you to work with me and extend our deal until it at least breaks even. Traffic prices are really just guesses after all, so why not allow some flexibility?

[LeRoy]

How much time do give after the purchase?

Maybe one sale can rebill for the next 2 years or more.

[Machete_]

Steve is making less sense with every passing day.

Perhaps it's time to retire.

[SteveLightspeed]

No offense, and I know you're a fairly wealthy guy and all, but that's just stupid. That's like someone saying, "Ok, I'll pay you $3000 to develop this online operation for me, but only if you can provide me a guarantee I'll make at least $3000 with it.".

That's just dumb.

Selling traffic isn't like a fixed-cost job. If I paid you $3000 for a software project, I would expect you to stand behind the quality of your work, but not the profitability of the project.

But I would expect a traffic seller to have enough knowledge of their traffic to stand behind its performance.

[SteveLightspeed]

How much time do give after the purchase?

Maybe one sale can rebill for the next 2 years or more.

After so many years, I can tell pretty accurately how much money an average join is worth in total, including rebills.

[SteveLightspeed]

Steve is making less sense with every passing day.

Perhaps it's time to retire.

Its the alcohol. I'm still trying to sober up from Phoenix Forum 2003.

[xxweekxx]

hahahahahahahaha this is the funniest shit ive heard today.. break even guarantee on their traffic??

dumbass.. can u also offer a break even guarantee if i send to your sites. i want to make 3 sales per 1000 hits.. if i send 1000 hits and dont cover the 3 sales then you have to pay me anyway.. deal? lol

[SteveLightspeed]

hahahahahahahaha this is the funniest shit ive heard today.. break even guarantee on their traffic??

dumbass.. can u also offer a break even guarantee if i send to your sites. i want to make 3 sales per 1000 hits.. if i send 1000 hits and dont cover the 3 sales then you have to pay me anyway.. deal? lol

I'm talking about cost, not potential revenue. How much did those 1000 hits COST you to send?

[count of monte cristo]

this makes perfect sense, lightspeed knows what hes talking about

ive never made money off of buying traffic, and i know the turnover with traffic clients is huge

so if someone were to step up to a deal like that, yea, 9/10 wont, but the credibility behind that would be huge

he wasnt expecting everyone to run to him, just those that can walk the talk

[Nathan]

Why would anyone selling traffic agree to these terms if plenty of people buy it as is?

You will have to at least guarantee that you pay more if the traffic performed BETTER too...

[jcsike]

Steve is making less sense with every passing day.

steves threads are like drama tv

its not about whats happening on the show

its about how many people are tuning in to see it

every other thread he starts hits 5 pages

[SteveLightspeed]

Why would anyone selling traffic agree to these terms if plenty of people buy it as is?

You will have to at least guarantee that you pay more if the traffic performed BETTER too...

We're talking about ethics and good business here. I wouldn't expect you to understand Nathan.

[mineistaken]

I wouldn't expect the $300 refund, but I would expect you to work with me and extend our deal until it at least breaks even.

Still my point stands the same. Just cahnge my example to: why would he earn 1000$ by selling you traffic that will earn you 1000$ if he can send that "1000$ earning" traffic to his sites and earn the same 1000$.

Of course again not to mention that you and him might earn different revenue from that traffic.

Only reason maybe that he thinks you would convert that traffic better. Otherwise - makes no sense.

[dantes]

Why would anyone selling traffic agree to these terms if plenty of people buy it as is?

You will have to at least guarantee that you pay more if the traffic performed BETTER too...

nathan, no offense, but you will never convince me that you are any type of owner in a big company

for the sole reason that you talk a lot, but you dont have much to say

[Kiopa_Matt]

Selling traffic isn't like a fixed-cost job. If I paid you $3000 for a software project, I would expect you to stand behind the quality of your work, but not the profitability of the project.

But I would expect a traffic seller to have enough knowledge of their traffic to stand behind its performance.

What you're asking for still doesn't make any sense though. How can someone offer a guarantee on something they have no control over? It's like a traffic broker saying, "Buy $500 of traffic from us, and we guarantee you $500 in AdSense revenue".

It's just stupid to think that's even viable. If it was that easy, everyone on the internet would be quite wealthy, don't you think?

[dantes]

Still my point stands the same. Just cahnge my example to: why would he earn 1000$ by selling you traffic that will earn you 1000$ if he can send that "1000$ earning" traffic to his sites and earn the same 1000$.

Of course again not to mention that you and him might earn different revenue from that traffic.

Only reason maybe that he thinks you would convert that traffic better. Otherwise - makes no sense.

it takes balls to make a deal like that, just like it takes balls to pay $60 a signup

[Alprazolam]

Why would anyone selling traffic agree to these terms if plenty of people buy it as is?

You will have to at least guarantee that you pay more if the traffic performed BETTER too...

you need to stay off the boards fuck face. everyone knows you're just a front man.

fuck a tree.

[SteveLightspeed]

Still my point stands the same. Just cahnge my example to: why would he earn 1000$ by selling you traffic that will earn you 1000$ if he can send that "1000$ earning" traffic to his sites and earn the same 1000$.

Of course again not to mention that you and him might earn different revenue from that traffic.

Only reason maybe that he thinks you would convert that traffic better. Otherwise - makes no sense.

I don't know why anyone chooses to SELL traffic, the affiliate model is much more effective and efficient. Everyone made more money when they pushed what they LIKED, instead of pushing traffic to the highest bidder.

[mineistaken]

In a nutshell - if this was the business practice nobody would sell traffic. Just imagine - you charge 1000$ for traffic and you must send it till buyer earns 1000$... Why would you do that - just send it to your sites and earn that 1000$. Its even better because sometimes you may hit more than 1000$. So if it makes 1500$ for you you, you keep that 1500$. But if buyer makes 1500$ from that traffic you still get only 1000$ from him

Its impossible business practice.

[Vjo]

A better thing might be to say, "I'll pay for $100 traffic up front because I am confident it will convert at my site so I will keep all signups and then the sender can test their traffic with your product.

Maybe buy traffic up front for say 1.5 cents a click thru using the text link and only with methods/sites you approve.

A free test the waters kind of deal.

Then you stand behind your product and you get guys who maybe think they can convert your product to give it a try. You should convert in $100 woth of traffic.

I havent thought that through so dont hold me to the nuts and bolts, just an idea.

But, I applaud your out of the box thinking.

[SteveLightspeed]

In a nutshell - if this was the business practice nobody would sell traffic. Just imagine - you charge 1000$ for traffic and you must send it till buyer earns 1000$... Why would you do that - just send it to your sites and earn that 1000$. Its even better because sometimes you may hit more than 1000$. So if it makes 1500$ for you you, you keep that 1500$. But if buyer makes 1500$ from that traffic you still get only 1000$ from him

Its impossible business practice.

If a traffic seller doesn't believe that their traffic will generate ROI for the buyer, maybe they shouldn't be selling it in the first place?

[minicivan]

People generally sell traffic because they can sell it for more than its actually worth.

[SteveLightspeed]

Maybe buy traffic up front for say 1.5 cents a click thru using the text link and only with methods/sites you approve.

The pay-per-click payment model has been abused more than a red-headed stepchild.

[minicivan]

The pay-per-click payment model has been abused more than a red-headed stepchild.

Its abused to the same degree in mainstream. But its pretty clear something is horribly wrong when you can't sell your tgp traffic for .005 per click from people in the industry who know the exact origin of the traffic, but you can park that tgp domain and get .05 per click from Yahoo or Google where the origin of the traffic is a little more confusing.

[Vjo]

The pay-per-click payment model has been abused more than a red-headed stepchild.

lol This is true. I knew there were flaws but I threw it out there for your consideration. Thanks.

[Alprazolam]

translation:

people who sell traffic know its shit and sold to the highest bidding sucker.

they're now seeing it in today's tough internet environment. but they're still trying to find suckers.

[Jack Sparrow]

I don't know why anyone chooses to SELL traffic, the affiliate model is much more effective and efficient. Everyone made more money when they pushed what they LIKED, instead of pushing traffic to the highest bidder.

No offense steve, but that was way back when porn wasnt shown for free on every 2nd site on the net.

[woj]

I'm talking about cost, not potential revenue. How much did those 1000 hits COST you to send?

Lets rephrase it:
I send 10,000 hits per day to a certain sponsor, I currently convert at 1 in 1000... so I make 10 sales per day * $30 = $300 per day...

so if I send that 10k hits to you, and it turns out that I get zero sales, I'm out of $300 bucks... no?

can you guarantee that if I send that same traffic to your program that I will make $300/day too?

[stocktrader23]

Hell no. This must be a joke.

Edit: And before people get confused by my signature, I am not selling traffic under the system described with or without a guarantee. I am telling people about a traffic source they can utilize and how to do it.

[xxweekxx]

If a traffic seller doesn't believe that their traffic will generate ROI for the buyer, maybe they shouldn't be selling it in the first place?

dude are u fucking kidding me.. how does the traffic buyer know it will make u MONEY.. traffic can make money depending on where u send it to..

In mainstream, IVE SENT 10k hits to a site, and make $10,000.. if also sent the same 10k Hits to a DIFFERENT site and made like $35

you are not making sense...

give 5 people 10,000 of the same hits, some people will make a ton while others make $0..

[machinegunkelly]

Hell no. This must be a joke.

Edit: And before people get confused by my signature, I am not selling traffic under the system described with or without a guarantee. I am telling people about a traffic source they can utilize and how to do it.

I was gonna say the same thing LOL!
This guy's gotta be kidding.

[IllTestYourGirls]

And if I sell you traffic for $1000 and you make $2000 do you send me the extra grand?

[- LOL -]

either Steve has totally fucking lost it, or he is trolling the shit out of everybody

[gideongallery]

how exactly does the traffic seller know what the true value of a customer is

are you publishing your books openly now.

rebills , upsells, cross sells, sales from former members (those annoying former member offers we all get ) etc

most of that is hidden from the traffic seller, they have no way of knowing all of that info.

if your break even is based on what you pay your affiliates, that not the true market value of the traffic.

and your just bitching because people won't sell it to you at below true market value.

[xxweekxx]

how exactly does the traffic seller know what the true value of a customer is

are you publishing your books openly now.

rebills , upsells, cross sells, sales from former members (those annoying former member offers we all get ) etc

most of that is hidden from the traffic seller, they have no way of knowing all of that info.

if your break even is based on what you pay your affiliates, that not the true market value of the traffic.

and your just bitching because people won't sell it to you at below true market value.

why even reply him.. he doesnt realize 100 hits could make $100 on one site, and $0 on another... so he wants the traffic seller to keep sending him traffic till he breaks even. LMAO

[Vjo]

The problem is most porn sites are not profitable buying/selling traffic to today.

Thus, it is always up to the site to sell the affil or some will have a bonus waiting for the affil if they hit the minimum. But it never swings the way you are saying. If anything it should swing the other way.

Fact is there are sponsors who pay $100 a signup once in a while. Same deal They have confidence and they want the affil.

So paying for the first $100 of traffic on certain conditions still makes sence as you get a new affil and you both see how you do on your first $100 then if you do ok the affil stays on win-win...

You'd get to see some new traffic sources. Money talks.

BTW, who is coming up with the next $100 a signup. ND? Would be nice.

There are a million paysites looking for traffic. The ball is in their court. They are the flower and must attract the bee.

[SteveLightspeed]

And if I sell you traffic for $1000 and you make $2000 do you send me the extra grand?

If it does well, I would buy more, at which point you have the option to raise your price.

All I'm asking for here is a traffic seller that knows his traffic sources and wants to work out a fair long term deal. I find it amazing that no one has the balls to step up.

[JFK]

Its the alcohol. I'm still trying to sober up from Phoenix Forum 2003.

I'll drink to that

[xxweekxx]

If it does well, I would buy more, at which point you have the option to raise your price.

All I'm asking for here is a traffic seller that knows his traffic sources and wants to work out a fair long term deal. I find it amazing that no one has the balls to step up.

because they would just send it to their own sites. why sell it?

[Kiopa_Matt]

All I'm asking for here is a traffic seller that knows his traffic sources and wants to work out a fair long term deal. I find it amazing that no one has the balls to step up.

Because it's as stupid as for example, Konrad stepping up and guaranteeing you'll make a profit it you purchase his MechBunny software. Or Zuzana guaranteeing a profit if you get her to design your site. Or Subway guaranteeing me a profit if I purchase a franchise.

It's just stupid.