Article about Visa/MC allowing KKK Transactions

[mopek1]

http://warincontext.org/2010/12/07/v...not-wikileaks/

[DamianJ]

http://warincontext.org/2010/12/07/v...not-wikileaks/

How delicious. It's OK to fund race hate, but not OK to expose government fuck ups.

[potter]

uhg..

It's not like visa CHOSE to do business with wikileaks, and it's not like visa CHOSE to do business with the KKK. In fact, it would have been a merchant using visa - not visa themselves.

The reason visa ended processing for wikileaks is because it has GLOBAL attention right now. Plus, from a legal standpoint it'd be dumb as all hell to continue processing as visa leaves themselves open for legal prosecution by the .gov.

The reality is if someone had made a big fuss about the KKK, and where they were getting there money from, and it got national attention. Visa would most likely shut down their processing as well.



Come on people, think for yourself for a minute.

[SmokeyTheBear]

The reason visa ended processing for wikileaks is because it has GLOBAL attention right now. Plus, from a legal standpoint it'd be dumb as all hell to continue processing as visa leaves themselves open for legal prosecution by the .gov

i think that is the point of the article, visa/mc process for alot of "questionable" people , yet only shut them down when they get world attention.

from a legal standpoint to continue processing for kkk or wikileaks is no different as far as i can tell, neither has been comvicted or charged with any illegal acts as far as i am aware.

[potter]

i think that is the point of the article, visa/mc process for alot of "questionable" people , yet only shut them down when they get world attention.

from a legal standpoint to continue processing for kkk or wikileaks is no different as far as i can tell, neither has been comvicted or charged with any illegal acts as far as i am aware.

Do you know how much money it would cost Visa to investigate EVERY customer of every single one of their merchants?

No, I'm sorry. That is the merchant/bank's job. The people actually doing the processing and giving the people the ability to process.

Remember, the KKK and WikiLeaks weren't customers of Visa. The BANK was the customer of Visa. The KKK and Wikileaks were customers of the BANK.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Do you know how much money it would cost Visa to investigate EVERY customer of every single one of their merchants?

who knows , certainly didnt ask or expect visa to do this, not sure what that has to do with visa shutting down wikileaks.

i think you are getting sidetracked on the point, the point is visa didn't shutdown wikileaks for breaking a rule, unless the rules are opinion based ( i.e. we dont like you ), but if they are opinion based then shutting down wikileaks and not kkk would be poor taste/opinion at best. So now they are aware they process for kkk, the logical thing to do would be to pull the plug on the kkk , if they don't then they are basically saying " we shutdown wikileaks because we didnt like what they were doing , but we aren't shutting down kkk because ??? "

[czarina]

great, let's support racists and killers but not wikileaks

[potter]

who knows , certainly didnt ask or expect visa to do this, not sure what that has to do with visa shutting down wikileaks.

i think you are getting sidetracked on the point, the point is visa didn't shutdown wikileaks for breaking a rule, unless the rules are opinion based ( i.e. we dont like you ), but if they are opinion based then shutting down wikileaks and not kkk would be poor taste/opinion at best. So now they are aware they process for kkk, the logical thing to do would be to pull the plug on the kkk , if they don't then they are basically saying " we shutdown wikileaks because we didnt like what they were doing , but we aren't shutting down kkk because ??? "

I think you're getting sidetracked by a ridiculous point the article tries to make, which isn't even a correct correlation. The KKK and Wikileaks don't even have the slightest relation to one another from a business or legal stand point.

And Visa didn't "shut down" Wikileaks.

great, let's support racists and killers but not wikileaks

Visa isn't SUPPORTING anyone. They are a business, and provide a service to BANKS.

Eh.. Whatever. I cannot even fathom how to unbind the connection between wikileaks and the kkk. The two just don't even connect on any level of any kind it'd be impossible to even attempt it. It'd be like talking to someone who said I don't like yellow, therefore I don't drink pepsi. It's just so absurd there's no reasonable way to establish some point of reference.

Continue you're blind hatred towards Visa because some random friggin blog on the internet said so. bah bah bah sheeple sheeple sheeple

[KillerK]

Are there any programs to promote? That pay per email submit?

[potter]

::puts mic in front of visa::

Visa,

Hundreds of millions of people all over the world have just learned about a website which has published classified information to the public. An event that will be one of the biggest controversial events of modern history that will be remember for thousands of years. An event of which is now the biggest story on the planet. Which is under organized investigation of at least half a dozen countries. And from which, the justice department of your country may be seeking charges that could go as high as espionage.

.... What are you going to do?

Visa: "We'll, we're certainly not going to stop processing them! Otherwise some random guy in Missouri or somewhere is going to blog about some connection to this worldwide historical event to a shitty little organization in the U.S."

[Dirty Dane]

What about all the newspapers publishing the same documents?

[Sarah_Jayne]

To most people we are 'questionable' too.

[HomerSimpson]

nothing new...

[beerptrol]

KKk is bad taste but not illegal. Publishing classified info that was stolen is another issue.
Targeting banks and other financial institutions that visa/mc bank with is suicide

[mopek1]

uhg..

It's not like visa CHOSE to do business with wikileaks, and it's not like visa CHOSE to do business with the KKK. ..................................

..............The reality is if someone had made a big fuss about the KKK, and where they were getting there money from, and it got national attention. Visa would most likely shut down their processing as well. .

Absolutely.

That was kind of my point in posting the article. Visa are not against wikileaks ... they are succumbing to pressure, A LOT of pressure by a powerful entity (US Gov) that has the power to affect their business.

The media makes it 'seem' like Visa/MC decided that wikileaks was immoral on their own and stopped processing for them.

[TheSwed]

What about all the newspapers publishing the same documents?

it's first page news in in Swedish newspapers

[TheSwed]

it's first page news in in Swedish newspapers

Ja=Yes and Nej =No in Swedish

[DBS.US]

I would love to see them try to stop payments to "Christian" Concepts

[SmokeyTheBear]

I think you're getting sidetracked by a ridiculous point the article tries to make, which isn't even a correct correlation.

i didnt read the article . its a pretty simple concept , visa processes for wikileaks , they process for kkk , they have the choice to deny for either , they chose wikileaks , not because they were required by law to do so , but because of their opinion.

The KKK and Wikileaks don't even have the slightest relation to one another from a business or legal stand point.

other than the point of this thread that they both use visa.. and one got denied.

And Visa didn't "shut down" Wikileaks.

no they denied them processing , or to be precise they denied their processor.

Visa isn't SUPPORTING anyone. They are a business, and provide a service to BANKS.

thats a pretty lame copout, they support companies they choose to work with and don't support companies they deny , they process for kkk , they have a choice to deny them , they dont .

[potter]

So basically. The point every one is making (on the side of this blog).

Is that Visa Inc, should stop being a business. And start being the SCOTUS and stand up for the rights of foreigner's freedom of speech?

Right? You're saying Visa should stop being a company, a business, a world entity that processes credit transactions globally. And suddenly step up to say what is or what is not freedom of speech. That they should stand up to the .gov and "teach them a lesson".

Is that it?



The funny part of all this is I'm a huge supporter of what Wikileaks could be for the most part (not any information that could get American security or troop personal killed.). The pen is mightier than the sword, and the internet trumps all.

But trying to dig on Visa for stopping processing literally retarded. It's jumping on some bandwagon. The whole following is "wikileaks is cool, anyone against them is teh lame". People aren't even considering the actual reality of what point they are trying to make. It's just blind dumb followers.

Specially considering the magnitude of what wikileaks is, and the ever so minute kkk organization (a legal entity mind you -- no matter how much you dislike it). You simply cannot compare a shitty legal entity in the U.S., to a website which is involved in global espionage.

You can be pro-wikileaks all you want. You don't have to be anti-visa. The two don't correlate, and anyone saying they do is a fucking moron.

[potter]

A good example comparison would be those God freaks that turn out at marine funerals with the "God hates fags" signs.

As much as I'd like to see them all dead. Freedom of Speech trumps the hate I have for them, so I believe they are in their rights to do what they do.

I don't agree with it.... But I don't want anyone to step in and say they can't do it. Because freedom of speech is far more important to the people than these fucktards being silenced.

Same goes with this. Anyone saying Visa shouldnt do what they did has their head up their ass. Visa is a business, not some global police agency that needs to set ground rules.

[DamianJ]

A good example comparison would be those God freaks that turn out at marine funerals with the "God hates fags" signs.

As much as I'd like to see them all dead. Freedom of Speech trumps the hate I have for them, so I believe they are in their rights to do what they do.

I don't agree with it.... But I don't want anyone to step in and say they can't do it. Because freedom of speech is far more important to the people than these fucktards being silenced.

Same goes with this. Anyone saying Visa shouldnt do what they did has their head up their ass. Visa is a business, not some global police agency that needs to set ground rules.

The *point* is not that Visa chose to do business in a free market with whomsoever they saw fit, but that they got one letter from the USA government telling them to stop processing wikileaks and they rolled over and sucked on obama's cock.

Not that they can or cannot chose who to deal with, but they chose to do whatever they were told to do by the current administration.

HTH

[mopek1]

... they got one letter from the USA government telling them to stop processing wikileaks and they rolled over and sucked on obama's cock. ....
HTH

Pretty much right on and summed up in a neat little sentence.

The debate now is what should Visa have done? What would you do if you were Visa? It's easy for us to say that Visa should tell ANYONE - who's telling them what to do - to kiss their asses.

But do they really want that fight? With the US Government? It's not easy.

[just a punk]

How delicious. It's OK to fund race hate, but not OK to expose government fuck ups.

Freedom of speech in American style. Very typically for 'em actually