No Money in Submitting

[MATRIX1984]

Hi everyone! I'm a noob here, and have been submitting galleries to TGP's and MGP's for about a month, and find the numbers really depressing.

Since I've started, my submits have had 218,165 visits and 2,439,044 hits. Of those visits, my two sponsors are showing only 714 Raw and 442 Unq total between the two of them, and obviously no sales.

Are these stats normal or am I doing something very wrong?

Thanks!

[LoveSandra]

it seem that the quality of your thumbs sucks big time + other factors

[asianseekerz]

well to have a good revenue you need to submit your galleries to the high quality sites and you must have a good paid partners account....

Cheers,

[ez12]

Hi Matrix,

The trick is to have good content, a good partner account, a good lay out of your gallery and of course a little bit if luck. I suggest you post a url of one of your galleries in this thread and we can have a look at whats the problem.

Cheers

[HowlingWulf]

With paid PAs to the top sites your unique visits should be in the millions per month.

[CyberHustler]

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Well said, wigger. Well said.

[Denny]

There is no money in porn

[a4ever]

Excellent Thread!

[rayadp05]

I don't know what your submitting but I can tell you that with my galleries, they get listed on very well established (and high traffic) tgp sites quite often and are also bringing in plenty of sales. My affiliates have always done very well with conversions. If you want your galleries to get listed every time and if you are looking to generate a steady flow of income for yourself, check out the affiliate program from True Amateur Models. The affiliate program is True Amateur Cash.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

I don't know what your submitting but I can tell you that with my galleries, they get listed on very well established (and high traffic) tgp sites quite often and are also bringing in plenty of sales. My affiliates have always done very well with conversions. If you want your galleries to get listed every time and if you are looking to generate a steady flow of income for yourself, check out the affiliate program from True Amateur Models. The affiliate program is True Amateur Cash.

Bullshit.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Well said, wigger. Well said.

Wigger? Bwahahaha. Spigger might be a better word as an idiotoc and yet still inaccurate racial slur said by a redneck hillbilly such as yaself towards me, sir.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

Wigger? Bwahahaha. Spigger might be a better word as an idiotoc and yet still inaccurate racial slur said by a redneck hillbilly such as yaself towards me, sir.

I have never seen a black redneck hillbilly. Have you?

[malcarada]

TGP traffic sucks big deal, only the big ones give some money.

[MATRIX1984]

Thanks for the helpful replies.

I've been trying to find some good paid PA's to join, but I've gotten no reply to my emails to submitpass or to posts here. So if you could recommend some PA's I'd appreciate it.

I'll try to ICQ you a couple of galleries. Some of the people here are already hard enough.

[thundergasm]

Hi Matrix1984

If you have a few of your galleries shoot them over to me and I'll take a look and try to offer some suggestions. ICQ 197808662

[pornguy]

Yes galleries make sales you just have to do a bunch of little things to start to profit.

let me know when you have some time and I will chat with you about it. ICQ and mail in my sig.

[stoner529]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Yes galleries make sales you just have to do a bunch of little things to start to profit.

let me know when you have some time and I will chat with you about it. ICQ and mail in my sig.

wait wait wait,

you mean to tell me that just snapping my fingers, clicking my heals together three times and saying, please give me sales, is not enough to make me money in porn?

[janosik]

It is not good time to start submitting now. I have been doing it for 7 years and I trust me ... no newbie has a chance to enter this market now. Even experienced submitters are having huge drops in sales

[stoner529]

i agree that you arent' going to see as many sales from submitting, however it will help the traffic to your site which is a goal and helps its rankings and alexa. im sure you wouldnt want to trade with any sites that have crap rankings now would ya!

[ez12]

Originally Posted by stoner529

i agree that you arent' going to see as many sales from submitting, however it will help the traffic to your site which is a goal and helps its rankings and alexa. im sure you wouldnt want to trade with any sites that have crap rankings now would ya!

I agree. If you submit just for sales, you'll be disappointed, but if you do it for traffic and exposure to your website it can be very beneficial.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Bullshit.

I really don't care if you choose to believe me or not. I am just stating factual information so you can take it or leave it. I have affiliates that submit to alot of the tgp websites and they are bringing in sales on a very steady basis...all throughout the day and throughout every single hour so you can take your "bullshit" statement and shove it up your nasty ass.

Besides, who are you to tell me that I am posting bullshit? You don't have a clue as to how my affiliates are doing as far as conversions. True Amateur Models currently has an alexa rank of 12,361 so the website is getting very good traffic, surfers are really digging the website....and the affiliates are definately cashing in on it.

A word of advice for you. The next time you decide to spout your fucking mouth off in a public forum, understand what the hell your talking about.

[Cyber Fucker]

Originally Posted by MATRIX1984

Hi everyone! I'm a noob here, and have been submitting galleries to TGP's and MGP's for about a month, and find the numbers really depressing.

Since I've started, my submits have had 218,165 visits and 2,439,044 hits. Of those visits, my two sponsors are showing only 714 Raw and 442 Unq total between the two of them, and obviously no sales.

Are these stats normal or am I doing something very wrong?

Thanks!

depends on what they count? Pay-page clicks? If yes then it's possible.... normally I would expect around 3-10k sponsor clicks and at least one sale... but you know it's not 1998 anymore so who knows

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

I really don't care if you choose to believe me or not. I am just stating factual information so you can take it or leave it. I have affiliates that submit to alot of the tgp websites and they are bringing in sales on a very steady basis...all throughout the day and throughout every single hour so you can take your "bullshit" statement and shove it up your nasty ass.

Besides, who are you to tell me that I am posting bullshit? You don't have a clue as to how my affiliates are doing as far as conversions. True Amateur Models currently has an alexa rank of 12,361 so the website is getting very good traffic, surfers are really digging the website....and the affiliates are definately cashing in on it.

A word of advice for you. The next time you decide to spout your fucking mouth off in a public forum, understand what the hell your talking about.

Well, aren't you a whiny little bitch.

I've been at this for about a decade. My bullshit detector is finely tuned. Your affiliates are not making significant sales with TGP submissions. NOBODY IS. I have access to traffic stats from a couple of well known programs that swing a much larger dick than your little ccbill program is swinging. I know for a fact that TGP submitting is not worth the time anymore. Will some people make sales from submitting still? Sure. Is there a lot more money to be had from other traffic sources? Abso-fucking-lutely.

It's great that you're trying to promote your little program. That's your job. I saw a spammy post filled with bullshit and I called you on it. If you don't like having your bullshit pointed out publicly, I suggest you don't post it. I don't think your content looks bad frankly and I do believe your affiliates are making sales. Hell, I'd probably promote your site if you didn't act like such a douchebag.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Well, aren't you a whiny little bitch.

I've been at this for about a decade. My bullshit detector is finely tuned. Your affiliates are not making significant sales with TGP submissions. NOBODY IS. I have access to traffic stats from a couple of well known programs that swing a much larger dick than your little ccbill program is swinging. I know for a fact that TGP submitting is not worth the time anymore. Will some people make sales from submitting still? Sure. Is there a lot more money to be had from other traffic sources? Abso-fucking-lutely.

It's great that you're trying to promote your little program. That's your job. I saw a spammy post filled with bullshit and I called you on it. If you don't like having your bullshit pointed out publicly, I suggest you don't post it. I don't think your content looks bad frankly and I do believe your affiliates are making sales. Hell, I'd probably promote your site if you didn't act like such a douchebag.

So, I assume that you have some type of secret access to my affiliate stats as well as to the amount of income that my website generates?

Obviously, that is the only way how you would be able to accurately state that my affiliates are not generating a significant amount of sales from submitting to the tgp websites. On just about any day, you will find several of my galleries listed on The Hun, Elephants List, XNXX, Worldsex, Richards Realm...among many other well established tgp websites. There is a reason why my affiliates are submitting. It's because my galleries are converting and not only that, they are converting very nicely. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine with me because whether you believe me or not, the affiliates are still going to continue bringing in plenty of sales...so it really doesn't matter.

What is so extremely funny to me is that you are acting as if you know my program better than I know my own program and if you ask me, that makes you look pretty fucking lame bro. As far as the huge programs out there that "swing a much larger dick than my little CCBill program does"....you would be surprised. I have had several of my affiliates tell me that my content has been converting much better than several of the biggest and well recognized programs out there so you don't know what the fuck your talking about. And for your information, my paysite brings in a six figure income on a yearly basis so I don't think that my swinging dick is quite as small as you may seem to think it is.

Don't let the popularity status, the advertising budget, the design of an affiliate program....nor the length of time a program has been around speak for the program itself. It is the content being offered through the program that generates sales for the affiliates. You seem pretty fucking stupid for being in the busines for over a decade.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

So, I assume that you have some type of secret access to my affiliate stats as well as to the amount of income that my website generates?

Obviously, that is the only way how you would be able to accurately state that my affiliates are not generating a significant amount of sales from submitting to the tgp websites. On just about any day, you will find several of my galleries listed on The Hun, Elephants List, XNXX, Worldsex, Richards Realm...among many other well established tgp websites. There is a reason why my affiliates are submitting. It's because my galleries are converting and not only that, they are converting very nicely. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine with me because whether you believe me or not, the affiliates are still going to continue bringing in plenty of sales...so it really doesn't matter.

What is so extremely funny to me is that you are acting as if you know my program better than I know my own program and if you ask me, that makes you look pretty fucking lame bro. As far as the huge programs out there that "swing a much larger dick than my little CCBill program does"....you would be surprised. I have had several of my affiliates tell me that my content has been converting much better than several of the biggest and well recognized programs out there so you don't know what the fuck your talking about. And for your information, my paysite brings in a six figure income on a yearly basis so I don't think that my swinging dick is quite as small as you may seem to think it is.

Don't let the popularity status, the advertising budget, the design of an affiliate program....nor the length of time a program has been around speak for the program itself. It is the content being offered through the program that generates sales for the affiliates. You seem pretty fucking stupid for being in the busines for over a decade.

There is so much bullshit in there I don't even know where to start. You, ma'am are full of shit.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

There is so much bullshit in there I don't even know where to start. You, ma'am are full of shit.

You can think whatever you want. It really doesn't matter to me.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

You can think whatever you want. It really doesn't matter to me.

Says the spammer that just typed out three paragraphs.

[area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by MATRIX1984

Hi everyone! I'm a noob here, and have been submitting galleries to TGP's and MGP's for about a month, and find the numbers really depressing.

Since I've started, my submits have had 218,165 visits and 2,439,044 hits. Of those visits, my two sponsors are showing only 714 Raw and 442 Unq total between the two of them, and obviously no sales.

Are these stats normal or am I doing something very wrong?

Thanks!

[brassmonkey]

hahaha!!!

[stoner529]

I got into this business last year so it def. isnt 1998. i have had some good submissions from the submitter get sales and other times nothing. the past few months ive had probably 5,000 uniqes and not a single sale from a submission. so expecting sales from them is a bit far fetched. if one company is getting a zillion sales off submissions then so be it, but i find it hard to believe as well.

[rayadp05]

And just for the record guys, this is what my site does...and the sales continue to go higher and higher as time goes by. There is plenty of money to be made by submitting to tgp sites as long as you are submitting the right type of content as well as submitting to the sites that have decent to heavy traffic. My affiliates convert and have always converted very well.

I just figured that I would post this screenshot showing how my program converts as opposed to simply stating that it converts well. Alot of these sales are directly from the FHG's being promoted on various tgp sites so whenever I hear someone complaining about how there is no money to be made through tgp submissions, I know that this is not always the case.

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

And just for the record guys, this is what my site does...and the sales continue to go higher and higher as time goes by. There is plenty of money to be made by submitting to tgp sites as long as you are submitting the right type of content as well as submitting to the sites that have decent to heavy traffic. My affiliates convert and have always converted very well.

I just figured that I would post this screenshot showing how my program converts as opposed to simply stating that it converts well. Alot of these sales are directly from the FHG's being promoted on various tgp sites so whenever I hear someone complaining about how there is no money to be made through tgp submissions, I know that this is not always the case.

Nobody said your program doesn't convert. I said it doesn't convert on TGP traffic. You argued but never posted stats to the contrary.

The real issue is you coming into an unrelated thread to spam your program. It was a douche move and you got called on it.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Nobody said your program doesn't convert. I said it doesn't convert on TGP traffic. You argued but never posted stats to the contrary.

The real issue is you coming into an unrelated thread to spam your program. It was a douche move and you got called on it.

But the question still remains unanswered. Who are you to tell me that my program doesn't convert with tgp traffic? Obviously, you have failed to bring in conversions by promoting various programs through tgp submissions and as a result of your personal failures, you are claiming that every affiliate on this board should expect the same results. If you ask me, you are an extremely close minded individual to claim that NO programs are converting with tgp submissions. Let me break it down for you because it is actually very simple to understand. I am the webmaster of my site as well as the webmaster to my affiliate program (and you are not) so I know what the program does when it comes to tgp submissions and you do not. That's really just the bottom line.

As far as posting stats on pure tgp traffic conversions, I am not familiar with a way to provide statistical information based solely on pure tgp conversions without posting who my affiliates are as well as my traffic stats...which I am not going to do. However, the affiliates that are bringing in the most sales to my program are either running their own tgp sites or they are affiliates that submit to various tgp sites. I know this based on knowing who my affiliates are and knowing where much of the affiliate traffic originates from. Of course, there are other ways how my affiliates bring in sales too but with my program consisting mainly of FHG's (and as we both know, FHG's are heavily promoted on tgp sites)....putting two and two together should be clear to you as to where many of the sales are coming from.

Anyway, I will admit that my original post did seem a little spammy but understand the reasoning behind making the post. The poster was having a difficult time turning over sales from tgp submissions and knowing that my FHG's are converting with the tgp sites, I was only tying to help the guy bring in conversions for himself. And yes, you can think whatever you want because it really doesn't matter to me. The reason why I am posting all of this information is for the other GFY members to read because there is money to be made through tgp submissions....even though you are acting as if someone died and made you god.

[Babaganoosh]

You're beating a dead horse. I'm going to repeat myself one last time. Without stats showing your conversion ratio, you can not say that your site converts with TGP traffic.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

You're beating a dead horse. I'm going to repeat myself one last time. Without stats showing your conversion ratio, you can not say that your site converts with TGP traffic.

The screenshot that I previously posted displays the entire results from my paysite which are from January to October of this year and as I stated to you before, the sales continue to stream in very steadily. The screenshot posted below displays the affiliate conversion ratios over the last 2 months. The form click ratio is at 1:4 and the number of sales are at 457. The reason why the raw clicks and the raw ratio numbers are high is because the site itself (as well as the FHG's) generate a pretty nice amount of traffic so these numbers are going to be high numbers based on that alone.

You can view the traffic details by clicking here:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/trueamateurmodels.com

I am not able to post conversion ratios based strictly on pure tgp conversions because CCBill does not offer any type of option regarding breaking down conversion ratios in such a way. Anyway, these are the conversion ratios so you can take them for what they are.

[stoner529]

those ratios don't look that good really. looks like you have a shit load of traffic though

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by rayadp05

I am not able to post conversion ratios based strictly on pure tgp conversions...

Then kindly shut the fuck up already. I think I have proven my point. I never once questioned how well your site converts in general. I have no interest in that. This is a discussion about TGP conversions. WHY do you keep posting your overall stats (which by the way don't look as good as I would expect with your type of content).

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Then kindly shut the fuck up already. I think I have proven my point. I never once questioned how well your site converts in general. I have no interest in that. This is a discussion about TGP conversions. WHY do you keep posting your overall stats (which by the way don't look as good as I would expect with your type of content).

Whatever dude. I have made my points and I am not going to argue with you anymore. Your nothing but a waste of my time.

[Tease4Cash]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Hell, I'd probably promote your site if you didn't act like such a douchebag.

You seem like you know your stuff. Do you have a ICQ number? Would you be interested in promoting my site? thanks

[Kelli58]

Why does everything on GFY lately have to turn into a pissing match? Just people just not have some manners, answer the guys question(s) without egos, bullshit or sarcasm and most of all without getting into a fight about who has the bigger balls? It's just a shame that such a great board like GFY has all these problems and offers so little real help anymore.

[RadicalSights]

Oh now I remember why GFY is such a useless shithole.

[stoner529]

Originally Posted by Kelli58

Why does everything on GFY lately have to turn into a pissing match? Just people just not have some manners, answer the guys question(s) without egos, bullshit or sarcasm and most of all without getting into a fight about who has the bigger balls? It's just a shame that such a great board like GFY has all these problems and offers so little real help anymore.

Maybe because porn is becoming over saturated and people ask the same questions over and over without researching first. Sales are probably down and it makes people work harder for less incentive then what it used to be. Ergo it turns people into assholes cuz they feel threatend by another newb trying to take their business, and their knee jerk reaction is to call someone a douchebag.

[rayadp05]

Originally Posted by Tease4Cash

You seem like you know your stuff. Do you have a ICQ number? Would you be interested in promoting my site? thanks

WTF?