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crazyy · 12-01-2009, 07:45 PM

Not asking for legal advice, just people's opinion based on their experience. Is photo ID from a job acceptable as a secondary form of ID?

Tatiana · 12-03-2009, 03:55 AM

As I know, this is not acceptable, the best would be if second ID is for example drivers license.

purecharlie · 12-03-2009, 05:11 AM

Photo ID from a job? Do you mean like an employers ID card? I would say this is NOT acceptable as it has basically been produced by civilians (you could produce one yourself easily enough). Basically it should be a government document of some type which is why Drivers Licenses or Passports are the norm.

NBBCash Matze · 12-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatiana

As I know, this is not acceptable, the best would be if second ID is for example drivers license.

yes, drivers license or passport.

jvela666 · 12-08-2009, 06:02 PM

yes i agree

lacuna · 12-09-2009, 08:21 PM

According to the law and regulations, the ID must be government issued:

Quote:

The picture identification card must be issued by a United States or State government entity for any performer who is an American citizen, whether the production occurs in the United States or abroad. A producer abroad may rely on foreign government identification cards for foreign performers, but must maintain a copy of that identification. Producers may not rely on a foreign identification card for a foreign citizen when production occurs in the United States, but must check a United States identification card in that circumstance.

See 56 FR 77437

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crazyy · 12-13-2009, 04:00 PM

Thank you for all the posters who took the time to offer their opinion. I am still slightly confused though. Lucky I only deal with a limited number of models on a ongoing basis so its not a big deal.

Going back to my original question. I understand a primary id must be government issued. The question pertains more to whether a secondary id is meant to supplement a primary (in which case an employee id would be acceptable) or actually be a substitute for a primary id (in which case it must also be government issued).

Like everyone should I ask for divers license/ state id and passport. But not everyone has a passport and honestly I would rather have a secondary photo id from an known legit employer or university rather than a social security card with no photo.

Like I said, thank you to all posters (especially lacuna for the links). I prefer to ask these questions before I actually end up in a situation rather than after.

lacuna · 12-17-2009, 10:31 AM

While most producers ask performers to provide a secondary ID, the law and regulations do not require you to do so. Reviewing a secondary ID is more a tool for you to use to verify that the primary ID is legitimate. With that in mind, any picture ID should serve this purpose, whether it be from a school, employer, or whatnot. The key criteria here is whether it makes you the producer comfortable in relying on the performer's primary government-issued ID.

I advise my clients to have their performers sign an affidavit whereby they swear that their identification document(s) are legitimate. You can view and/or download copies here.

pornlaw · 12-19-2009, 11:04 PM

You dont need any secondary ID. And unless the first ID is written in crayon, you can rely on it. At a winter XBiz 2 yrs ago, the agent in charge of inspections indicated that unless a producer has reason to suspect the first ID is false the FBI will not hold that producer responsible if the ID is fake.

Nor would a liquor store be held responsible for a solid fake ID. People in this industry go way beyond with what is required by law.

brassmonkey · 12-31-2009, 09:04 AM

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12-01-2009, 07:45 PM	#1
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12-17-2009, 10:31 AM	#8
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12-13-2009, 04:00 PM	#7
crazyy Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 68	Thank you for all the posters who took the time to offer their opinion. I am still slightly confused though. Lucky I only deal with a limited number of models on a ongoing basis so its not a big deal. Going back to my original question. I understand a primary id must be government issued. The question pertains more to whether a secondary id is meant to supplement a primary (in which case an employee id would be acceptable) or actually be a substitute for a primary id (in which case it must also be government issued). Like everyone should I ask for divers license/ state id and passport. But not everyone has a passport and honestly I would rather have a secondary photo id from an known legit employer or university rather than a social security card with no photo. Like I said, thank you to all posters (especially lacuna for the links). I prefer to ask these questions before I actually end up in a situation rather than after.

12-19-2009, 11:04 PM	#9
pornlaw Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,857	You dont need any secondary ID. And unless the first ID is written in crayon, you can rely on it. At a winter XBiz 2 yrs ago, the agent in charge of inspections indicated that unless a producer has reason to suspect the first ID is false the FBI will not hold that producer responsible if the ID is fake. Nor would a liquor store be held responsible for a solid fake ID. People in this industry go way beyond with what is required by law. __________________ Michael www.AdultBizLaw.com

12-31-2009, 09:04 AM	#10
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