150..........HUGE Moves :Graucho

Has to be his reserves.

Which bank do you own? Do you offer merchant accounts?

Seems like a smart move, considering the state of the biz, and the fact that its a type in domain.. Dave is a smart guy.

exactly! we're dealing with two critcal issues:

1) recession
2) abundance of free content

1 is feeding 2. everyone is trying to figure out a magic recipe but both issues are a waiting game.

i see lots of restaurants in my area going out of business and it's not because other restaurants are giving away free food.

my traffic has increased but ratios haven't increased with it so people are still looking, just not buying...yet!

from my experience with price points the lower price works well for stuff like special offers, mailers, etc... especially when it's time limited because the impulse becomes greater (i.e. black friday).

if you just doing a short test, yeah i agree.

But if you doing this for good, how could you not give them the same price ?? I am a loyal member and have been with your site for a year ( not common but lets pretend for the sake of making a point) , so i pay every month $30 then i notice someone who has never sent you a penny before you offer a better deal to and on top of that you don't offer it to me either. I would be pissed. Nice way to shit on your loyal members. Not to mention if they really wanted to, they could just cancel and sign back up again, but if someone pulled that stunt with me and I was a long loyal customer I would be out of there and never go back.

Chris Mallick is a smart guy. I've heard people rave about how brilliant he is. Not all smart guys always do smart things. Nothing against Dave, just saying in general.

One that will be kept private.

good move on their part

that's just the way things are but it's up to the site owner how they want to deal with it. when we first opened our site 5 years ago we have 50 video and pic sets and we charged $24.95. now when you join you get over 600 videos and pic sets for $29.95. i guess you can say that the first ones to join are pissed because you get alot more for your money now.

i bought an ipod a few years ago and a few months later they came out with the same model that had twice the storage capacity and three times the battery life for the same price. did apple rip me off? was the previous model not worth the price i paid?

i can totally understand what you're saying and i think members would love to get the discounted price if you changed your price point perminently.

you cannot trademark a 3rd level domain.

lolz. I couldnt even get erect to your stuff let along jerk off to it ;)
go to fan boards and see how many people are digging your stuff vs mine. Friendly wager :)
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You might understand but your analogies are bad. You can't compare what I am saying to buying something tangible and then a couple months later a newer, better version comes out. You also comparing monthly membership fees vs one time purchases.

I think surfers feel that a site with TONS of content might be worth paying $30 for them to get access to all of that content. They get to search through it all for the stuff they like, watch it all and save everything they like. All for $30 and the whole month to sort through it all. So what you got left to offer them for month 2 for them to pay $30 again? .005% of what you already gave them for $30... it simply is not worth it for most people to rebill for just a couple updates. (this is just for picture and video sites). They can cancel with you and go sign up to another site and see another 10,000 new videos vs the 20 that you going to offer them for the same price. That is if you are lucky and they are the type to still pay and don't go to tube sites to see it all.

The solution, give them more value so it is worth it for them to pay to stay on for additional months, or give them less up front, or both. Or reduce the price beyond the first month. But the current model / methods for pic and vid membership sites is broken for several reasons, this just being one of the many things wrong them.

im not asking if you can trade mark you.porn.com I was asking if there could be potential suit from youporn against someone who was using you.porn

"youporn" might not care or might not have trademarked their name, but I bet if the person who owned tube.com launched a big tube site called you.tube.com that youtube would be sueing them to stop.

then why do people rebills for years for met, ftv, bangbros or any successful site idiot? your theories suck.

You are completely missing the reasons people view porn.
It's not about how many new scenes you can see.

It's about that ONE scene that really gets you off everytime. So you download that one right? But then it's ALSO about the newest scene. Especially when members are fans of the site.

I want to see that LATEST scene on my favorite site. I don't want to be left out in the cold when it comes up.

You're leaving out the biggest marketing factor of them all...member loyalty and human nature. Once someone joins a site, the majority of them are loathe to leave it. They get comfortable with what they have.

No, I'm not talking about the 1 to 2% that post on surfer forums or review site forums. Those are not real fans of porn and not our best customers. If they were they wouldn't be sitting on freesites posting, they would be in the members area of the site they pay for.

The vast majority are a "silent majority" and they tend to stick with a site and rebill until they decide to move on after a good bit (everything comes to an end). And then I find that a few months later, they tend to re-sign up and stay for a few months again.

People know what they like. And for the folks who truly love sex and porn, it has nothing to do with how many updates you have or the delivery format of the porn. It has to do with this: does it make their cock hard.

And no, just because there is a ton of generic porn for free...it still doesn't change that.

In dgraves case for instance...if I'm a fan of Chica, I am NOT going to be satisfied unless I am a member of ChicasPlace.Com and I want to follow her every update and keep up with what she's doing and correspond with her. That's what the fans who really make up the bread and butter of this industry do.

The Netflix affiliate program doesn't offer revshare, it is only a one time pay per sign up...

porn.com isn't aiming at the mom and pop/cottage/amateur sites but the big megasites with years of updates and thousands of videos. he i just undercutting them. simple.

a solo girl, niche or fetish site can't really compare models. two completely different things.

water is free too. yet i shell out 20 dollars a case for fiji water every week. why? because it's a superior product. people will still pay superior prices for superior products even when a free option is available. imho.

Is Fiji better than Aquafina or Dasani?

i like fiji better

but dasani is made in detroit...from the detroit river...it cant be good for you

i agree that there are many flaws to the paysite model. as far as analogies goes, i thought i was right in line with the topic because aren't we comparing neflix to the average paysite? isn't that like comparing walmart to a convenience store?

you asked what is there to offer a member on month 2...simple, the same as what netflix has to offer people after the first month, fresh content! the solo girl paysite is a little different because some guys fall in love with the girl and stay for a long time. they see the value in one or two updates each week. value is in the eye of the beholder. there are people who will never join a paysite even if you offered them a $1/month membership. yet one of our members sent Chica $2k worth of bikinis!

some people keep gym memberships and never use them. i'm not sure why. maybe it's to say they belong to a gym, maybe they thin it provides some kind of motivation and someday they will start working out. who knows.

they opened a new gun club in scottsdale a few years ago and i signed up right away. i had to pay $500 to start my membership and then $20/month after that. about a year after they opened they dropped the $500 fee. i kept my membership even though i didn't go that often because my schedule was too busy. i was going to cancel and Chica told me i should keep it incase i wanted to use it. see, some people think like that. i on the other hand didn't and i knew it would be cheaper to just go in and pay for the day if i wanted to use the range.

some people have only one porn membership at a time and when they get tired of it they cancel and move to the next. sometimes they come back when you have more content, sometimes they don't. some people are members to 4-5 sites at any given time.

i've tried a number of different price points and trials. i found that sometimes the trials and low prices attract cheap people. i offered a 4 day trial once for $4.95 and a few charged back! i can't imagine anyone going through a chargeback process for $4.95! i guess the value of their time was less than $4.95.

Fiji water is involved in a lot of shady stuff. I would suggest the other premium brand.

Again, there is a difference between one off sales and recurring subscriptions.

Nobody in their right mind lets a site thank them for their loyalty by continuing to rebill them at a price higher than a new customer can get.

At best they will cancel and re-sign up at the lower price, at worst they will walk and never return.

Either way it will leave a bad taste in the customer's mouth.

so if you send out a mailer offering a special price you have to change all your existing members to the lower price?

i agree if you change your price point perminently then you should change it for everyone but what would be your explaination to the huge price cut? you could send them a "i'm sorry i've been over charging you $20/month" email but i don't think that would go over well.

this is a good question to ask porn.com did they lower all their existing member's price?

sometimes stuff like that can backfire. i got direct tv a few years ago and a month later cox called me up and offered me a great price to return. instead of being thrilled, i was pissed and asked the rep how they could offer me this great deal now but couldn't when i was a customer.

they observed netflix doing the same thing? WTF netflix just announced they were raising prices and their stock went up 7% that day.

I am talking about sites with picture and videos only. If they offer value with interaction, etc and more than just a handful of updates then they are doing a good job to justify to the surfer why he should continue to pay full price, because he isn't there just to look at videos obviously.

I am sure some really quality sites that consist of just pics and videos will have some members as you say. Sites that shoot unique custom content, like a bangbus type stuff. Just straight up pictures and vids but some people may get hooked as you explain. But what you saying sounds great, but what is the real reality here. what % of people do pic and vid only sites act as you describe, because the way you make it sound they should have an avg retention rate of 8-10 months, where is the reality I bet most of these run of the mill pic and vid sites are lucky to see an avg retention rate of 2 months, if that and taking into account all of the people who forget to cancel. That's reality. Most people aren't rebilling to pic and vid only sites, so there is a reason why.

just a disclaimer, i am not talking about Claudia Marie. So when you reply back, you don't need to cite your personal stats. It sounds like Claudia Marie is much more than a typical pic and vid only site that just makes a couple updates a month.

Which of our 113 exclusive sites are you referring to?

http://pimproll.com/sites.html?niche=reality

On a serious note I'd have to say our 1000's compared to your dozens (sales).

I think $10 bucks sounds good. I wonder how many direct type in's the domain gets these days.

It wont last. Porn is an impulse buy. The issue has always been getting the credit card out of the pocket rather than the price point.

If porn consumers really thought about value with a cool head they will just get the content through tubes and torrents rather than pay the $10. This isn't at all the same sort of product or the same sort of purchasing environment as Netflix etc.

Again, offering a better price to get a lost customer back is DIFFERENT, but if you actually read what I said before replying to what you think I said, you will see that your reaction (whilst incredible for a business person who should understand how business works) is actually the same way that any porn.com loyal subscribers who are not dropped down to the new price will probably be reacting.

Sorry Shap! I mistakenly thought because of the porn.com reference and the discussion about their lowering their price points to $9.95 included Twisty's. That kind of drop horrified me. LOL Sorry. :)

What PPS are you going to pay on a $10 sale Dave?

Your ideas are really fucking retarded. I'm blown away at how you stay in business with the attitude and outlook you have on sales/marketing.

Nothing is as good as free. Oh my fucking god.

Next time you want something to eat, I advise you to go to the nearest trash can and dig it out of there.

So you like to insult people do you? Off to ignore you go you useless clown. Goodbye, and I hope you never meet me.

what kind of a merchant account is that robbie
22%

how is that even possible
us banks are at around 10% max

Dozens, surely you jest :)
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:1orglaugh

It's because you PERCEIVE it is superior.

Penn and Teller's Bullshit! on water is brilliant. Taste tests show that people cannot tell bottled from tap.



So, Fiji's marketing is brilliant, because I am sure you actually believe it tastes better.

So, it's not price, it's not content. It's marketing.

You should ignore everyone that pointed out you are paying waaaaaaaaaay over the odds for your processing too.

While I agree with you, and like P&T, their show is not void of their own brand of bullshit.

That said, I most certainly can tell the difference between bottled water and hose water where I am from. Just smelling the water around here makes me physically sick, drinking it or even using it in ice makes me want to hurl. I'm not going to go spend $20 on a bottle of water but I'll be damned if it's my perception throwing me off.

Same thing with Coke. I don't give a shit what the average moron knows about it, I know Coke, Pepsi and store brand Cola by taste.

Penn and Teller should do a show on how taste tests are useless when trying to prove taste since taste is 100% subjective. Why would what strangers think about a taste have anything to do with anybody else?

I like pizza but if a taste test showed that pizza tastes terrible, should I figure I was wrong all these years and stop eating pizza?

Taste tests are used pretty much exclusively for marketing purposes. That's the irony of that video.

$20+

Option is being added to www.pimproll.com soon.

I too can tell Coke from Pepsi. Funnily, you can even tell the difference between US Coca Cola products and Mexican Cokes (you can get them here in L.A.). It's been explained to me that they use cane sugar in mexico so the taste is purer. Guess I'm a victim of bullshit as well.

Way off topic by the way, my bad.

Humboldt.
And I did some further checking into that. It's not just the processor fee. It's a bunch of little things including the processor fee, phone support, gateway fees, etc., etc.

And I got them to lower the down considerably after I raised hell and pointed out this thread.

So thanks guys! :)

i've been using the water analogy for months now, glad to see i'm not the only one that believes in the importance of marketing :thumbsup

Dave throws down his pimp card... Damn. :pimp

wow, that's awesome doll :thumbsup soon as in 2 weeks soon? if so, this is the motivation i needed to have our designers crank out several skins for a new project. emailing Ross in 3 -2 -1...........:winkwink:

i like acqua panna too. excellent water. terrible marketing.

Nice job Robbie on the reduction!!! Since you can't buy us all drinks how about a one-day virtual cyber 'Thanks GFY' and you say nothing but nice things about everyone in this thread?

Just kidding. :D

Nice job tho with da bank! I'd love to see the banker's face when they saw GFY. heh

Is $1.00 monthly too low?