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bushwacker 12-03-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17747044)
Lebron can't dominate the 1 as effectively as Wade because Wade is a lot quicker. When Lebron has lead the team in scoring, the Heat are I believe either
.500 or less. When Wade has done it, they're above .500 . Also, when Lebron brings up the ball, he just plays with it and the offense turns into a Cleveland offense when the other 4 guys are just watching him. That's why he'll never be a Magic Johnson. At least when Wade brings it up, he's looking for the quick slash.


Again wade is a 2 guard. Your point guard shouldn't be the leading scorer on your team. No, he will never be a magic johnson...but neither will anyone else.

Glad to see you posting again.

MikeFold 12-03-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 17747065)
You really thought he was going to stay in cleveland? Seriously?
I agree the 1 hour special was over the top, but not for one second did I ever think he would resign with cleveland.

we agree on that...thats our first step to recovery
hehehe

I guess I am just geting old, but loyalty means something to me, and your legacy is defined by how you show it.....MJ had that trait

bushwacker 12-03-2010 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeFold (Post 17747092)
we agree on that...thats our first step to recovery
hehehe

I guess I am just geting old, but loyalty means something to me, and your legacy is defined by how you show it.....MJ had that trait

I hear ya.

There is no more loyalty in sports. Owners are just as bad as players.
Look at Joe montana, jerry rice. Who would have thought you would ever see them in anything other than a 49ers uniform.

Wasn't Kobe ready to leave LA, to play for the bulls?

MikeFold 12-03-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 17747097)
I hear ya.

There is no more loyalty in sports. Owners are just as bad as players.
Look at Joe montana, jerry rice. Who would have thought you would ever see them in anything other than a 49ers uniform.

I also agree with this .......

The Demon 12-03-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 17747077)
Again wade is a 2 guard. Your point guard shouldn't be the leading scorer on your team. No, he will never be a magic johnson...but neither will anyone else.

Glad to see you posting again.

The problem with the bolded text is that Lebron IS the leading scorer of the team...I've seen almost every Heat game this year and anytime Wade is at the 1, they've been largely effective. I wish Spoelstra convinced one of them to play 6th man though.

Also, I thought Lebron was going to stay in Cleveland. You win 66 and 65 games, people think nothing is going to change. Most people liked Lebron until "The Decison" because his real personality came out then.

D-Money 12-03-2010 02:43 PM

I know people look at this Cavs as a weak team, but when LeBron was a part of it they had a great "team". Any team that loses their top player and top point scorer, it's hard to replace that right away. The team needs to figure out how to make up for their loss of production from that top guy. I'm saying, the Cavs are a bad team at the moment, but they're a part or 2 away from having something like they had last year since the rest is pretty much in tact.

And now for my next analogy!

You look at the Olympic games when the over seas teams were beating our star studded NBA player team. You can say that the international teams had no big names, they're not even in the NBA. So why is it they beat the best of our players? Because they played team basketball and the best team almost always wins.

Miami Heat, they're not as good of a team as the Lakers or Celtics at the moment.

tiger 12-03-2010 02:54 PM

I thought the same thing. That was the perfect opportunity after having a great game and beating the Cavs badly to play the bigger man role and apologize to the Cavs fan. Tells you a lot that he still couldn't bring himself to do it.

The Demon 12-03-2010 02:59 PM

Lebron represents the new NBA. A bunch of whiney, bitchy, self entitled athletes. I bet Jordan, Magic, and Bird have a daily facepalm session when they're reading NBA news.

sinclair 12-03-2010 03:02 PM

I am glad LeBron left. He didnt fit this town. This town is still a steel town, a hard working blue collar town. Our sports identity doesnt revolve around wins its about heart and pride. Something Lebron showed he has none of.

We like a shot with our beer not an umbrella in our fruity drink. Miami can have him, that town has no soul, no history. It's a perfect fit.

Sinclair

iheartbucks 12-03-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17747250)
Lebron represents the new NBA. A bunch of whiney, bitchy, self entitled athletes. I bet Jordan, Magic, and Bird have a daily facepalm session when they're reading NBA news.

Hence why I stopped watching NBA in the 90s, LeBron is a disgrace to humanity, :321GFY

Profits of Doom 12-03-2010 03:17 PM

The Heat are going to be just fine. In essence this is still their preseason since Wade was injured the whole preseason and they never had time to work together. It's going to take some time for all 3 guys to mesh and the regular season doesn't mean shit anyways, and as flawed as they are they will still make the postseason just feasting on the bad teams in the NBA. What the Heat does in the postseason is how they should be graded.

For the most part this is going to be an up and down season while they learn to play together. Their biggest needs are at center and point guard, and right now they can't make any trades until the deadline passes for trading players that just signed as free agents this past offseason. Even then I can't see them getting much since they don't have any draft picks to trade for the next several seasons. I can see them filling the point guard role later in the season when some veterans get cut or agree to buyouts. Those kind of players will be clamoring to join the Heat on minimum salary deals.

As for the center position, all I can say is just wait until next year. The Heat have a young center from the University of Texas that is going to be a BEAST in the NBA, Dexter Pittman. At one point at UT he was over 400 lbs, but he has slimmed down to around 290 and is still losing weight, and he is playing very well in the NBA's development league. With a year of seasoning and conditioning Pittman will be a beast of a center, mark my words...

Mutt 12-03-2010 03:24 PM

if you're a sports fan last night was sickening beyond the microcosm of Lebron Jame's return to Cleveland. It's not just Lebron, it's all professional athletes now, they are loyal to nobody, if anybody they are loyal to their union brethren - the players they are supposed to compete with and in days gone by, HATE! it's nothing more than exhibition games now, players on opposing teams laughing and joking, hugs, pats on the bum,before the game, after the game and for fucks sake DURING the game. The NBA is the absolute worst but the other leagues are heading the same way.

To any of those fans last night in Cleveland you would have to be a complete idiot not to reflect upon yourself and your passion and support for pro sports after watching the Cavaliers welcome Lebron back like an old friend and play as if they wanted to help him have a triumphant return. It was disgusting.

It's why I now love the NFL so much more than any other sport - because there are no guaranteed contracts, careers are short, the union weak - plus the sheer brutality of the sport innoculates it to this point from turning into the mockery that is the NBA.

bushwacker 12-03-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17747312)
if you're a sports fan last night was sickening beyond the microcosm of Lebron Jame's return to Cleveland. It's not just Lebron, it's all professional athletes now, they are loyal to nobody, if anybody they are loyal to their union brethren - the players they are supposed to compete with and in days gone by, HATE! it's nothing more than exhibition games now, players on opposing teams laughing and joking, hugs, pats on the bum,before the game, after the game and for fucks sake DURING the game. The NBA is the absolute worst but the other leagues are heading the same way.

To any of those fans last night in Cleveland you would have to be a complete idiot not to reflect upon yourself and your passion and support for pro sports after watching the Cavaliers welcome Lebron back like an old friend and play as if they wanted to help him have a triumphant return. It was disgusting.

It's why I now love the NFL so much more than any other sport - because there are no guaranteed contracts, careers are short, the union weak - plus the sheer brutality of the sport innoculates it to this point from turning into the mockery that is the NBA.



That's is why I love college football and basketball. I sure some of those athletes are probably getting paid also. .:upsidedow

TheKeyMaster 12-03-2010 03:33 PM

Look busy; Jesus is coming!

D-Money 12-03-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17747312)
if you're a sports fan last night was sickening beyond the microcosm of Lebron Jame's return to Cleveland. It's not just Lebron, it's all professional athletes now, they are loyal to nobody, if anybody they are loyal to their union brethren - the players they are supposed to compete with and in days gone by, HATE! it's nothing more than exhibition games now, players on opposing teams laughing and joking, hugs, pats on the bum,before the game, after the game and for fucks sake DURING the game. The NBA is the absolute worst but the other leagues are heading the same way.

To any of those fans last night in Cleveland you would have to be a complete idiot not to reflect upon yourself and your passion and support for pro sports after watching the Cavaliers welcome Lebron back like an old friend and play as if they wanted to help him have a triumphant return. It was disgusting.

It's why I now love the NFL so much more than any other sport - because there are no guaranteed contracts, careers are short, the union weak - plus the sheer brutality of the sport innoculates it to this point from turning into the mockery that is the NBA.

Well put!

I'd love to see a Cav player hit LeBron like Richard Seymour did to Big Ben. That's passion! Clevelanders were discusted by last night on many levels. If I were those players, I'd have some serious issues with LeBron leaving them after he told them he can win a championship while there. Then he leaves and says he's got a better shot in Miami? I'd be pissed as a player.

Penthouse Tony 12-03-2010 04:09 PM

Some of the knocks on Lebron have gone too far I think. Does anyone remember the Bulls finals vs the Suns? Jordan and Barkley had dinner between the games. Magic commented that he would never have gone to dinner with an opposing player during a series. Now everyone's saying they would have never teamed up with another superstar like Lebron and Wade did. It's the same "back in my day" complaint over something else.

I will agree he made it tough on Cavs fans to hear it on an ESPN special that wreaked of his arrogance. But many of the current NBA players would hold a special like that if they could. I think money was a big issue for Lebron moving to Miami. He's going to save millions on the no state tax.

D-Money 12-03-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 17747380)
Some of the knocks on Lebron have gone too far I think. Does anyone remember the Bulls finals vs the Suns? Jordan and Barkley had dinner between the games. Magic commented that he would never have gone to dinner with an opposing player during a series. Now everyone's saying they would have never teamed up with another superstar like Lebron and Wade did. It's the same "back in my day" complaint over something else.

I will agree he made it tough on Cavs fans to hear it on an ESPN special that wreaked of his arrogance. But many of the current NBA players would hold a special like that if they could. I think money was a big issue for Lebron moving to Miami. He's going to save millions on the no state tax.

I agree about the back in the day thing. I used to hate to hear the older players say that. they sounded like haters.

But the money issue I don't think had any part of it. Those endorsement deals make up for it and he would have had that no matter where he played. He would have had more deals since he'd be considered a "loyal" local town hero. Sponsors love to be associated with loyalty. How many sponsors want to be associated with a trader or someone who wasn't classy about their actions? That's his new perception, my guess is he would have made way more in endorsements had he stayed and played cool with the city.

Penthouse Tony 12-03-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money (Post 17747405)
I agree about the back in the day thing. I used to hate to hear the older players say that. they sounded like haters.

But the money issue I don't think had any part of it. Those endorsement deals make up for it and he would have had that no matter where he played. He would have had more deals since he'd be considered a "loyal" local town hero. Sponsors love to be associated with loyalty. How many sponsors want to be associated with a trader or someone who wasn't classy about their actions? That's his new perception, my guess is he would have made way more in endorsements had he stayed and played cool with the city.

Maybe he lost some future endorsements but I'm sure his major deals are already locked in such his Nike, Sprite, and McDonald's deals.

TheAmericanCannibal 12-03-2010 04:33 PM

As a Cleveland fan all of my life I have to say this-

I love Cleveland, and I love the fans.
The fans ( me included) deserved more from LeBron than his fuck you speech on ESPN.

I can't blame him for leaving, I live in SoCal now for 15 yrs cause I hated living in Cleveland.

However I am not God in Cleveland like LeBron was and don't make a Billion dollars.

It wasn't until after I left Cleveland that I became a God.

lol

How are you Mike FOLD?????

Long time brotha!

D-Money 12-03-2010 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal (Post 17747419)
As a Cleveland fan all of my life I have to say this-

I love Cleveland, and I love the fans.
The fans ( me included) deserved more from LeBron than his fuck you speech on ESPN.

I can't blame him for leaving, I live in SoCal now for 15 yrs cause I hated living in Cleveland.

However I am not God in Cleveland like LeBron was and don't make a Billion dollars.

It wasn't until after I left Cleveland that I became a God.

lol

How are you Mike FOLD?????

Long time brotha!


Dang... You don't even underscore that name?

That's hardcore!

So if you're a g_d, then I'm Zeus?

Lester Burnham 12-03-2010 10:32 PM

Cav fans need to get over it. They act like an ugly dude that just got dumped by his hot girlfriend that he had no business having in the first place. The more whiny and loud they get, the more pathetic they appear.

Lebron upgraded, like any man would do when the opportunity arises.

tonyparra 12-04-2010 12:11 AM

I live in cleveland and no one who lives here with a life gives a fuck about lebron...go browns, cavs, indians, and buckeyes


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