Been watching them today. None of them are making jack shit. That's what I pointed out. Looks to me like a lot of the guys on there are teenagers without credit cards...not all, but probably a damn big percentage.

And Claudia-Marie is the ONLY girl I can honestly use as a litmus test since I am privy to what she makes because I see it. Everything and everybody else is just guessing. I don't want to "guess". I do sort of know the numbers of a couple of other girls, but I can't really disclose those since it's not my place to.

And the reason there aren't any big tit pornstars on there is because they've mostly already tried it out when they first heard the hype for it. And when they realized they couldn't make as much money there...they all went to whatever cam site that they DO make the most money at.

Look guys, I'm not saying that lightning doesn't strike. I'm just saying it strikes pretty damn good over at Streamate too sometimes. And in between those big crazy ones...you know, day to day income...it's consistently great and easy money.

I'm sure that there are some girls on there who make pretty good money consistently too. I never underestimate girls ability to get our money. heh-heh

But I don't think it's the gold mine that some of y'all do. And I can only speak from actually watching someone do it.

EDIT: One hunnert girls going "Crazy" with mega-tips from teenage boys with no credit cards and other assorted freeloaders.

Great example of why the flexible mfc system ultimately is most beneficial for the model. In a traditional ppv cam site, the model is constrained to make directly for her time in private shows, whereas on mfc, the token system has no ceiling and any amount can be given to a girl at any time.

there are some things you don't get, this is obviously one of them.

robbie you looking at the same site. first chick i clicked was getting steady tokens ...?

i think you have a psychological block to seeing models do well there because cm did not do as well?

That's not true. When I went there I posted the exact time and model. And watched them for the exact times I posted. CM has NEVER went that long without being in private. And neither do any of the other girls on the pornstar page at Streamate. That's just the truth.

Again...I can only tell y'all what I know. Not guessing and telling tall tales of this girl and that girl making thousands of dollars every minute.

I told the truth. I COULD have just as easily sat behind this keyboard and typed that CM made a fortune on MFC and makes even crazier fortunes on Streamate. But I gave out actual figures.

I could say that I just saw some girl making thousands and thousands of those ten cent (five cents for the girl) tokens and just join in the bro-mance for MFC.

Anyway, it's been interesting talking to all of you about it. Good luck with promoting it...oh, that's right. Freeones is the only site represented in this thread who was invited to be an affiliate...so what the heck are the rest of y'all doing here. LOL!
Just kidding. It was a good discussion. Lot of varying viewpoints. Thanks guys.

Thing is, I think CM actually did alright her first time on mfc based on Robbie's quote I posted earlier where CM tried mfc last summer. Almost $100 for 2.5 hours on cam at mfc for her first time isn't bad. Keep in mind, Robbie really shouldn't be comparing CM's streamate earnings to just one time on mfc. With streamate, CM has built up many followers and regular purchasers on streamate. Private sessions have most likely gotten more frequent for her since she started on streamate, just like they would if she were on mfc more frequently.

CM should just use both sites simultaneously to maximize her earnings, it doesn't have to be one or the other. I've seen girls do their weekly Camz show and broadcast it simultaneously on mfc and make $100 for the hour show even though they had no interaction with the mfc chat room.

Oh one other thing...CM did do "well" It's just that 50 bucks an hour isn't worth her time when she can make 2 to 3 times that on another site.

And I'm on MFC now. Clicked the very first girl. Her name is Jalyn
Young skinny teen, fully dressed. Doesn't look to have tits or ass...kinda like a 12 year old boy :1orglaugh
Not my type at all...but a lot of the guys here seem to like those androgynous type girls with flat butts and flat chests.

Okay, been watching her for FOUR minutes. CM would already have a private room full of guys paying $3.99 a minute within the first 60 seconds. So far NO money at all

Wait she just took her bottom off. Yep, tiny boy-like ass that so many here at GFY prefer.
Now she's dancing real close to the camera in her panties so I can see her camel toe

Real nice tight teen stomach.

And BOOM....there she goes! Finally! At the six minute mark. She just went to a private group show.
Looks about like what the "average" girls I watch on streamate do. I think this little tiny half-boy looking cutie pie could make a lot more money in the teen section at Streamate or at Cams.Com or even Live Jasmin.

That's what I saw. That's my most recent "report" :)

you can only use claudia as a litmus test if the site will make money for HER not if there is money to be made on the site. She simply doesn't fit the mold for what is popular on that site. There isn't many if any girls who look like her on the front page (top couple 100 girls) therefore there is likely very little traffic/customers/money on the site to be spent on girls like her.

You can speak from her experiences and the time you spent on the site. I already explained off why her experience would not be representative of the norm, but honestly how in the hell can you monitor everythign that goes on there. There are 100s of rooms going 24/7, you can only be in 1 room at a time, and how many hours did you spend there. Just because you didn't see it happen at the exact time you were in 1 out of 100's of rooms doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Don't be so closed minded man. You gave it a couple hour shot, you didn't like the results, all you established is that it didn't work for her.

Not to mention your comparison is skewed. How long has she been working on streamates. I think it is safe to say she has a regular base of loyal repeate member on streamates. That definetly influences the avg per day she makes. You went and tried a new site for a couple hours where she has no history, no repeat member, following already established. Did you really expect her to make more or less? If she worked MFC and built up regulars for as long as she has been on streamates it is possible she could posibly make more on MFC even since she isn't the prototypical girl for that site.

MFC is a different animal, you say "beg" is unprofessional, dude its a different business model , the girls hussle there and get low budget people to collectively spend a decent amount of money. Where as on traditional cam sites the big spenders come in ready to spend and she doesnt have to focus on selling as much as providing a good show.

Think it through, don't be so closed minded and quick to judge something just because you tested it for a couple hours and surfed some rooms. Honestly it sounds like to me you just trying to justify the site as not good because she didn't do great on it.

now you just sound like an idiot.

dude robbie dont u get it.. LOOK at their top girls for past months.. they are all young skinny 20 somethings.. im telling u that your big tit chic is not mainstream

I can bring 100 random guys, then bring a hot skinny girl and have them pick between her and CM, i bet u most of them would pick the hot chic

Heck i wont even fuck CM shes too chunky.. i dont like my girls weighing more than me.. anyway some guys have already posted proof of tokens and u are still disputing it.. let it go already

will...Why can't I compare them?

If a girl can go on one cam site and make money within the first MINUTE...and girls on another site are sitting in rooms full of hundreds of guys and not making anything at all for 5 to 10 minutes at a time? I'm just saying that if I can go to one cam site take a look at the girls there and have trouble finding one that is in public for more than a couple of minutes...and the other site is full of girls not making money for the same amount of time...that's a pretty fair comparison.

Of course some drug fueled multi-millionaire MIGHT go onto MFC and do another of those giant once in a lifetime mega tips. But what about day to day for that same girl?

Some girls on MFC never accept group or private shows and only rely on tips and outside pic/vid/IM/gift promotions

Thank God you aren't the majority of porn customers. I'd be broke!

And I dare you to bring 100 random guys to see CM and some hot skinny chick side by side in real life. Claudia isn't fat at all. She just has big tits and a big ass.

Come to Vegas for the AEE show and see her with lines of people trying to get pictures with her while the hot skinny chicks are standing by themselves. Or just come to Vegas anytime and we'll go to the casinos and clubs and watch it for yourself.

You have to understand that the majority of guys out there aren't necessarily into what you like. I will say that GFY and webmasters in general DO go for young teen looking girls. Hell, I like them too. But I've never differentiated when it comes to beautiful women. A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman to me.

i didnt say guys dont like CM

All i know is more guys prefer someone like her; http://profiles.myfreecams.com/LovelyKittie

Thats the girl that made me post that thread a while back.. she made thousands in hrs from some guys who loved her

shes incredibly hot..

Anyway CM Is hot yes, but im telling u more GUYS IN THE WORLD PREFER A SKINNY HOT CHIC TO A WOMAN WHO IS PUSHING 150LBS+ at least

Seriously dude, u must be dreaming if u think most guys will prefer http://claudia-marie.com/tourA/pics/010.html TO http://img.myfreecams.com/photos2/30...27-1330618.jpg

List of top girls(by tokens for current month)

http://www.myfreecams.com/mfc2/php/m...coration=true&

GO through that list.. how many girls like CM do you see? what does that tell u ;)

???

Are you all drunk?

10 tokens = 1 dollar.
60% go to the model. That's 60 cents not 6 cents.

I bet if we took a poll most of those listed make at least $25,000 every month

Yep I'm just dreaming. Like I said...but if you want to cherry pick picture, Here's one for you from just the other day:
http://claudia-marie.com/fun/cmnovember2010.jpg

And no, there are NOT more guys in the WORLD who would choose that little hottie over a curvy Claudia-Marie.
Again, I know I can't convince you of that. Just come to Vegas and let's all go out and I'll show you. Seeing is believing right?

Come to AEE. Or just come for a little vacation anytime. I'll show you some of the cool non-tourist places in town too. And we'll make sure to walk through all the big casinos together and just watch what happens.

Dude, it's a big world out there. I'd LOVE to fuck that little teen hottie. But I can think of tons of other porn girls who I would pick over her if I had some kind of God-Like power to do so.

That kind of girl is a a dime a dozen in most towns. I like more exotic looking, rare and unique girls. And my years of work as an affiliate tell me that so do the majority of men.

Of course it goes in waves. Ten years ago I was selling memberships to Tawnee Stone like taking candy from a baby. Today? Teen doesn't sell that well.

Now cams? I believe you when you say that girl makes bank. It would be real interesting to see if she actually makes the 2 grand a week in extra pocket money that CM makes putting in 3 maybe 4 hours a day during the week.

If she does...then good for her! Rare to see a teen making 100 grand a year. Especially in this economy.

he said "roughly" are you drunk?

Bro, you need to get out and hang with strippers and whores more often and you'd realize just how very, very wrong you are. Girls like that become "rich" one day if they make a few hundred bucks. Then they don't work again until they've spent all that money.

you are telling me a poll of 100 guys, MAJORITY will prefer

http://claudia-marie.com/fun/cmnovember2010.jpg

TO

http://img.myfreecams.com/photos2/30...27-1330618.jpg


HAHAHAH DUDE you are obviously clouded by her pussy

P/S i showed my 2 of my buddies sitting here and they are laughing at u

I "tipped" Claudia-Marie in my head...

No you're wrong. The tokens are indeed 10 cents. But the girl gets FIVE CENTS not six. :)

So when you see a girl get 1000 tokens...the girl just made herself fifty bucks. Not a lot.

If that's the case, it's 6 cents per token. (60 cents per 10 tokens)

Well that settles it then. If your two buddies who are sitting with you reading GFY say it's so... then that is that.

So does that mean you don't want to hang in Vegas and see for yourself? Or are you coming to any shows to meet her yourself and then make these judgements? I'm serious. I like hanging with people in our business. And we'd have a blast here in Vegas and one of us could prove the point to the other and a beer will be bought.

And seriously...I can go to Hooters right now and find ten more just like that hot little kitty chick. They are pretty generic and common. HOT as fuck...a dime a dozen.

hehe alright man whenever i come to ur area im taking u up on ur offer.. im there every few months.. :pimp

if u win i'll admit i was wrong and buy u a few dances and some beer

I just checked it out for 15-20 minutes and I see girls getting tipped often. 100-200 every few minutes.

Which one? I'd like to see. :)

Hey nobody is really "wrong" when it comes to discussing whores. We are all winners. :pimp

EDIT: My ICQ info is in my profile. Just hit me up when you come this way. Weekends are packed here..but if you want to come during the week, make sure you're here on a Tuesday night and we'll hit karaokexxx at Brandos Bar. All the porn stars (including the skinny teen looking ones), strippers, etc. are there drunk and singing karaoke. lol

It's a beautiful train wreck...

Yes, six cent per token, six dollar per 10 token. They say on their wiki it's sixty percent, so I assume their top earners make that much.

But I am leaving this thread now.
You guys don't get it. Robbie has a hugely inflated ego and no decency.
He has made another thread once again all about his big-tit whore and his ego.
Why don't you shut off your NATS, Robbie, because no affiliate is going to want to work with a guy who is so full of himself as you are.

look at that page of the top 20 girls..

look at the bottom of that page.

3. If a model does not want her name listed, the model can choose to participate anonymously, or not participate at all. The model can contact administrators for more information.

just one model you see on every list for the last 6 months, Hollyhanna. She was making 20-25k a month before she broke top 15-20 and now she is 4th-7th. She has the most expensive fucking machine she could find for privates and she uses it to deepthroat the largest dildo she could find.

I think you are underestimating the site as much as you think we are overestimating it.

Davy, there really isn't any reason for you to be insulting to me. I certainly wasn't to you. I'm going to send you to "Ignore" because you are acting like a jackass for no reason. I was talking to folks on here. And time and again I've said...it's not about CM...I'm only talking about what she made because I KNOW what she made. The stats that everyone else sees are on MFC itself.

None of us have any idea if they are real or made up to hype the site. Anyway, goodbye. And thanks for your contribution to the thread...which consisted of you giving the WRONG info on the girl's payout.

IT'S FIVE CENTS. NOT SIX. Just to let everyone know.

fixed for ya

We had 36 Asian girls wroking in a studio, back in the very profitable 2001-2003.

None of them ever made $1,000 in one day. That's extremely rare. Maybe $4-500, and that was working 5 different traffic streams.

Robbie, you are biased (and drinking your own kool-aid) I am sure She does well for her NICHE, but she is not appealing to a general audience. She might get more "attention" because of her huge tits but that doesn't mean she will make more money. Attention and gawking out of curiosity doesn't = everyone will spend money on her. A lightspeed type girl would make 5:1 more money from GENERAL traffic then Claudia would. It's nothing against her, she is Niche material... Big tits, Mature, etc... Not everyone likes big tit mature women. A lot more people will like a cute college girl then a big tit mature women.

Again, you can only be in 1 out of 100's of rooms at a time. If you don't see spending in 1 room for 5 to 10 minutes it doesn't mean that money isn't being spent on the site and that girls aren't making money. It just means no money was spent in that one particular room for the few minutes you were in it. ALSO, the way MFC works, the girls usually build up to a "show". They will general chat with people then after they get enough people or they are ready to do a show they will start working it and the tips usually come in bunches when she is doing the good stuff, and at the end of the show as a thanks.
Also, typically the girls listed on the top of the page make most of the money. The further down the list you go you can find girls that will make very little.

You just don't understand the tipping model. As mentioned to you by lazy cash, it would be in her best interest to work both sites. Traditional PPM cam sites typically only have a small % of market spenders. How many people can afford to spend $3 a min or $500 a week on porn? Not many. However on a tipping system, lots of people collectively can spend $5, $10 etc.. and can afford it and in volume it adds up as well. its a good way to utilize and tap into a large portion of the markert that you are totally missing on streamates. ALSO i hear the girls on MFC can list their site urls for free, so you can make sales from it too.

It's in your best interest financially and do right by Claudia to look at this with an open mind and try to understand it and it would benefit her (and you) financially instead of being defensive and trying to discredit it because your initial test didn't turn out great and god forbid that happens because Claudia is the hottest girl on the net blah blah defensive blah blah....

Davy, your math has been off this whole thread and you keep missing it. Its 60 cents per 10 tokens, not 6 dollars as you keep saying. Only the top girls make .06/token, the average is around .05.

If 10 tokens = a dollar then the site earns 10 cents per token, divide that in half for the model's take and you have .05/token which is exactly what I said, I think you might be the one who is drunk. Your math skills seem to rival Rochards, see sig.

mfc is totally different in that girls who know how to work it can make more money doing stuff in public than a 1 on 1 in private. the tips keep rolling in in public, in private its just one guy.

Completely false. On Streamate...there can be 1,000 or more guys in "private" at $3.99 a minute. CM usually has between 5 and 15 at any given moment.
There is also an "Exclusive" which then is just one on one. But the guy has to buy a "block" of time. In other words if he buys a 15 minute block and cums in one minute...oh well.

Also since Flying Crocodile does their own billing...a girl can set up her actual website as her "club" and sell memberships all day long.

AND they also do "tipping" on Streamate. It's called "getting gold" on there. Difference is...EVERY last person who is chatting with a girl on Streamate was already required to put in a credit card in order to be able to chat. Guests aren't allowed to chat, they can only watch.

So EVERY guy that a girl chats with on Streamate is a potential customer who only has to click one button to take her to private and his card is being charged from that moment on. :)

Plus...as an added bonus...affiliates are very welcome. So I'm able to monetize the hell out of them on my free sites as well. Here is a link code to the Money Tree affiliate program (streamate)...sign up and see for yourself: http://wm.mtree.com/webmasters/ref/?341477

Robbie can you tell us how you know this information?

ive made up to 600 a night with my gf at the time, although this was awhile back.. just saying.. just because your not making the much doesn't mean someone else isn't

I know CM could easily make that every day if she had time to work 8 or 9 hours on nothing but cams. But she doesn't.
As far as couples on webcam go...I'm friends with two couples that do webcam together now. The hotter couple busts ass to make $300 a day...and that's not consistent.

Because I know most of them and party with them, we're in the same business.
I also see where they are when they do camshows. :)

Also...I was kinda wondering something about that girl who made the 260,000 token tip claim. http://mycamgirl.net/behind-the-scen...-on-myfreecams

How the fuck did a guy get Visa to approve a charge for that amount for an online purchase of "tokens" on a cam site?
If I buy a $6,000 camera they are calling me on the phone wanting to verify everything. And this guy would have had to buy all those tokens first, and then use them to tip...correct?

I could pull that off with my American Express card (and AMEX would call me too...thank GOD!)...IF they handled adult transactions. But not with Visa. Or does MFC accept Amex somehow?

Just curious how the processing for that kind of giant transaction would work. Anybody know? Is that even possible? Or is it just another story to garner more hype for the site?

This is it 100%.

MFC "Fans" think the sun shines out of MFC's ass, cynics think it is hyped up bullshit.

I believe that it is a successful business for its owners, but the model itself is geared very much for now, rather than ongoing indefinitely, as the continuing cost of allowing members indefinite free access to their historical privates will have increasing demand on what must already be very busy servers.

There is also a LOT of smoke and mirrors about the payout structure with some clever wording confusing how much they really pay out. There is also the possibility as has been discussed before, that a lot of the tips in the high profile room, may be fake to encourage tipping by others....

That said, I think the reality is that a small percentage of girls make very, very good money there. A larger chunk make decent money, but the vast majority struggle to make an impact and continue to simultaneously work other sites to make ends meet.

Just like on all the cam sites. It all depends on the girl

Thanks Agent 488, Same billing companies we all use...which means Visa. Anybody out there from a billing company or who has good knowledge of billing that can tell us if that's even possible to put that big of a transaction on Visa and then process it through any of our adult billing companies?

I promise you we always made over 400 a night doing on avg 3 hours. thou it was many years ago, of coarse you can't just jump on cam and look good to make money, of coarse we had our bag of tricks to get the customers and keep them.

I'm going to guess if this is true he had to call Visa and verify his info before the charge was able to go through. I've had the same issue with AMEX and Visa where I was either making a large purchase that was out of what they would call me "usual spending pattern", or if I was suddenly making a lot of purchases in another state, and they declined a transaction with a code that I had to call in first to verify I was in possession of my card.

I had it happen in Vegas once for the Internext and AEE back in like 2003. I was making a shit load of purchases with my AMEX and I was in the gift shop of the Hard Rock with my chick at the time, and there was a huge line behind us. My AMEX declined and gave the cashier a code to call in, and when he did AMEX asked to speak to me. There was a huge line of pissed off people and the cashier wasn't helping anyone in line behind me while I was on the phone. It turned out AMEX was just concerned that my card was being used so much in another state (I live in Ohio) and they wanted to verify it was me making the charges. After they did they put the sale through and I was able to use my card like normal again.

So long story short he probably didn't get an approval at first and had to call in, or he even could have called in first and let his Visa issuer know he was making a large purchase so they knew ahead of time (something else I have done to make a really large purchase)...

CM is always so hot that I unavoidably jerked off to her photo a few minutes ago; and, I'll probably do the same exact thing again in a couple of minutes.

Makes sense... I really don't know what the limitations are as far as Visa and adult transactions like that. It would seem to me that with all the uproar over x-sales and $100 charges, that a giant charge like that processing through the already flagged adult processing would be a no-go. But I just don't know the answer.