you are telling me a poll of 100 guys, MAJORITY will prefer

http://claudia-marie.com/fun/cmnovember2010.jpg

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HAHAHAH DUDE you are obviously clouded by her pussy

P/S i showed my 2 of my buddies sitting here and they are laughing at u

I "tipped" Claudia-Marie in my head...

No you're wrong. The tokens are indeed 10 cents. But the girl gets FIVE CENTS not six. :)

So when you see a girl get 1000 tokens...the girl just made herself fifty bucks. Not a lot.

If that's the case, it's 6 cents per token. (60 cents per 10 tokens)

Well that settles it then. If your two buddies who are sitting with you reading GFY say it's so... then that is that.

So does that mean you don't want to hang in Vegas and see for yourself? Or are you coming to any shows to meet her yourself and then make these judgements? I'm serious. I like hanging with people in our business. And we'd have a blast here in Vegas and one of us could prove the point to the other and a beer will be bought.

And seriously...I can go to Hooters right now and find ten more just like that hot little kitty chick. They are pretty generic and common. HOT as fuck...a dime a dozen.

hehe alright man whenever i come to ur area im taking u up on ur offer.. im there every few months.. :pimp

if u win i'll admit i was wrong and buy u a few dances and some beer

I just checked it out for 15-20 minutes and I see girls getting tipped often. 100-200 every few minutes.

Which one? I'd like to see. :)

Hey nobody is really "wrong" when it comes to discussing whores. We are all winners. :pimp

EDIT: My ICQ info is in my profile. Just hit me up when you come this way. Weekends are packed here..but if you want to come during the week, make sure you're here on a Tuesday night and we'll hit karaokexxx at Brandos Bar. All the porn stars (including the skinny teen looking ones), strippers, etc. are there drunk and singing karaoke. lol

It's a beautiful train wreck...

Yes, six cent per token, six dollar per 10 token. They say on their wiki it's sixty percent, so I assume their top earners make that much.

But I am leaving this thread now.
You guys don't get it. Robbie has a hugely inflated ego and no decency.
He has made another thread once again all about his big-tit whore and his ego.
Why don't you shut off your NATS, Robbie, because no affiliate is going to want to work with a guy who is so full of himself as you are.

look at that page of the top 20 girls..

look at the bottom of that page.

3. If a model does not want her name listed, the model can choose to participate anonymously, or not participate at all. The model can contact administrators for more information.

just one model you see on every list for the last 6 months, Hollyhanna. She was making 20-25k a month before she broke top 15-20 and now she is 4th-7th. She has the most expensive fucking machine she could find for privates and she uses it to deepthroat the largest dildo she could find.

I think you are underestimating the site as much as you think we are overestimating it.

Davy, there really isn't any reason for you to be insulting to me. I certainly wasn't to you. I'm going to send you to "Ignore" because you are acting like a jackass for no reason. I was talking to folks on here. And time and again I've said...it's not about CM...I'm only talking about what she made because I KNOW what she made. The stats that everyone else sees are on MFC itself.

None of us have any idea if they are real or made up to hype the site. Anyway, goodbye. And thanks for your contribution to the thread...which consisted of you giving the WRONG info on the girl's payout.

IT'S FIVE CENTS. NOT SIX. Just to let everyone know.

fixed for ya

We had 36 Asian girls wroking in a studio, back in the very profitable 2001-2003.

None of them ever made $1,000 in one day. That's extremely rare. Maybe $4-500, and that was working 5 different traffic streams.

Robbie, you are biased (and drinking your own kool-aid) I am sure She does well for her NICHE, but she is not appealing to a general audience. She might get more "attention" because of her huge tits but that doesn't mean she will make more money. Attention and gawking out of curiosity doesn't = everyone will spend money on her. A lightspeed type girl would make 5:1 more money from GENERAL traffic then Claudia would. It's nothing against her, she is Niche material... Big tits, Mature, etc... Not everyone likes big tit mature women. A lot more people will like a cute college girl then a big tit mature women.

Again, you can only be in 1 out of 100's of rooms at a time. If you don't see spending in 1 room for 5 to 10 minutes it doesn't mean that money isn't being spent on the site and that girls aren't making money. It just means no money was spent in that one particular room for the few minutes you were in it. ALSO, the way MFC works, the girls usually build up to a "show". They will general chat with people then after they get enough people or they are ready to do a show they will start working it and the tips usually come in bunches when she is doing the good stuff, and at the end of the show as a thanks.
Also, typically the girls listed on the top of the page make most of the money. The further down the list you go you can find girls that will make very little.

You just don't understand the tipping model. As mentioned to you by lazy cash, it would be in her best interest to work both sites. Traditional PPM cam sites typically only have a small % of market spenders. How many people can afford to spend $3 a min or $500 a week on porn? Not many. However on a tipping system, lots of people collectively can spend $5, $10 etc.. and can afford it and in volume it adds up as well. its a good way to utilize and tap into a large portion of the markert that you are totally missing on streamates. ALSO i hear the girls on MFC can list their site urls for free, so you can make sales from it too.

It's in your best interest financially and do right by Claudia to look at this with an open mind and try to understand it and it would benefit her (and you) financially instead of being defensive and trying to discredit it because your initial test didn't turn out great and god forbid that happens because Claudia is the hottest girl on the net blah blah defensive blah blah....

Davy, your math has been off this whole thread and you keep missing it. Its 60 cents per 10 tokens, not 6 dollars as you keep saying. Only the top girls make .06/token, the average is around .05.

If 10 tokens = a dollar then the site earns 10 cents per token, divide that in half for the model's take and you have .05/token which is exactly what I said, I think you might be the one who is drunk. Your math skills seem to rival Rochards, see sig.

mfc is totally different in that girls who know how to work it can make more money doing stuff in public than a 1 on 1 in private. the tips keep rolling in in public, in private its just one guy.

Completely false. On Streamate...there can be 1,000 or more guys in "private" at $3.99 a minute. CM usually has between 5 and 15 at any given moment.
There is also an "Exclusive" which then is just one on one. But the guy has to buy a "block" of time. In other words if he buys a 15 minute block and cums in one minute...oh well.

Also since Flying Crocodile does their own billing...a girl can set up her actual website as her "club" and sell memberships all day long.

AND they also do "tipping" on Streamate. It's called "getting gold" on there. Difference is...EVERY last person who is chatting with a girl on Streamate was already required to put in a credit card in order to be able to chat. Guests aren't allowed to chat, they can only watch.

So EVERY guy that a girl chats with on Streamate is a potential customer who only has to click one button to take her to private and his card is being charged from that moment on. :)

Plus...as an added bonus...affiliates are very welcome. So I'm able to monetize the hell out of them on my free sites as well. Here is a link code to the Money Tree affiliate program (streamate)...sign up and see for yourself: http://wm.mtree.com/webmasters/ref/?341477

Robbie can you tell us how you know this information?

ive made up to 600 a night with my gf at the time, although this was awhile back.. just saying.. just because your not making the much doesn't mean someone else isn't

I know CM could easily make that every day if she had time to work 8 or 9 hours on nothing but cams. But she doesn't.
As far as couples on webcam go...I'm friends with two couples that do webcam together now. The hotter couple busts ass to make $300 a day...and that's not consistent.

Because I know most of them and party with them, we're in the same business.
I also see where they are when they do camshows. :)

Also...I was kinda wondering something about that girl who made the 260,000 token tip claim. http://mycamgirl.net/behind-the-scen...-on-myfreecams

How the fuck did a guy get Visa to approve a charge for that amount for an online purchase of "tokens" on a cam site?
If I buy a $6,000 camera they are calling me on the phone wanting to verify everything. And this guy would have had to buy all those tokens first, and then use them to tip...correct?

I could pull that off with my American Express card (and AMEX would call me too...thank GOD!)...IF they handled adult transactions. But not with Visa. Or does MFC accept Amex somehow?

Just curious how the processing for that kind of giant transaction would work. Anybody know? Is that even possible? Or is it just another story to garner more hype for the site?

This is it 100%.

MFC "Fans" think the sun shines out of MFC's ass, cynics think it is hyped up bullshit.

I believe that it is a successful business for its owners, but the model itself is geared very much for now, rather than ongoing indefinitely, as the continuing cost of allowing members indefinite free access to their historical privates will have increasing demand on what must already be very busy servers.

There is also a LOT of smoke and mirrors about the payout structure with some clever wording confusing how much they really pay out. There is also the possibility as has been discussed before, that a lot of the tips in the high profile room, may be fake to encourage tipping by others....

That said, I think the reality is that a small percentage of girls make very, very good money there. A larger chunk make decent money, but the vast majority struggle to make an impact and continue to simultaneously work other sites to make ends meet.

Just like on all the cam sites. It all depends on the girl

Thanks Agent 488, Same billing companies we all use...which means Visa. Anybody out there from a billing company or who has good knowledge of billing that can tell us if that's even possible to put that big of a transaction on Visa and then process it through any of our adult billing companies?

I promise you we always made over 400 a night doing on avg 3 hours. thou it was many years ago, of coarse you can't just jump on cam and look good to make money, of coarse we had our bag of tricks to get the customers and keep them.

I'm going to guess if this is true he had to call Visa and verify his info before the charge was able to go through. I've had the same issue with AMEX and Visa where I was either making a large purchase that was out of what they would call me "usual spending pattern", or if I was suddenly making a lot of purchases in another state, and they declined a transaction with a code that I had to call in first to verify I was in possession of my card.

I had it happen in Vegas once for the Internext and AEE back in like 2003. I was making a shit load of purchases with my AMEX and I was in the gift shop of the Hard Rock with my chick at the time, and there was a huge line behind us. My AMEX declined and gave the cashier a code to call in, and when he did AMEX asked to speak to me. There was a huge line of pissed off people and the cashier wasn't helping anyone in line behind me while I was on the phone. It turned out AMEX was just concerned that my card was being used so much in another state (I live in Ohio) and they wanted to verify it was me making the charges. After they did they put the sale through and I was able to use my card like normal again.

So long story short he probably didn't get an approval at first and had to call in, or he even could have called in first and let his Visa issuer know he was making a large purchase so they knew ahead of time (something else I have done to make a really large purchase)...

CM is always so hot that I unavoidably jerked off to her photo a few minutes ago; and, I'll probably do the same exact thing again in a couple of minutes.

Makes sense... I really don't know what the limitations are as far as Visa and adult transactions like that. It would seem to me that with all the uproar over x-sales and $100 charges, that a giant charge like that processing through the already flagged adult processing would be a no-go. But I just don't know the answer.

looks like you can do a bank account transfer as well?

How much would that cost I wonder?

I used to be able to do those in large amounts (around $5000 at a clip) for free at online sportsbooks like Bodog.com back in the day, but I had to send in a shit load of signed verification forms with ID scans before they would accept them and I had to have a certain amount of them go through successfully before they would let those large amounts be available to me instantly. They would draft them from my bank account like checks. I'm guessing again but if MFC allows these they must wait until they clear before they make them available in your account...

Well...I never underestimate the power of pussy. heh-heh

I suppose that a guy could plan this out and keep buying tokens over a week or two or however it had to be done just to "make it rain" all at once like that. Us men can get like that once we are infatuated with a woman.

Ah, well at first I thought this was your typical type post where you have to say "Claudia Marie" 100x and rave about her endlessly, but at least it was all just an attempt to make webmaster referrals.

Between 5 and 15 on at any give time in private???? You said she works on average 3-4 hours a day, charging 3.99 a minute and makes $2,000 a week. Your numbers don't add up. If she just had 5 people on for 1/2 of those 4 hours a day that would be: 5x$3.99 x 120 minutes = She would be grossing $2,394 a day. Exaggerate much ?

If she really makes $2,000 a week (her cut at 35%), working 20 hours a week, it comes out to an avg of about $300 an grossed hour. Which at $3.99 a min = an average of a little more than 1 person in private at all times. Which isn't bad, but "usually has 5-15 at any given moment" ??? You either smoking crack or subscribing to Rochard's math.


Well thank god you "suppose" it could be true. :upsidedow



Leo is making millions, yet you seem think this whole tipping method is not good, you debunked it. You spent a couple hours over a few days bouncing around from room to room and didn't see much spending. So you figured it out. Everyone else is wrong, the site doesn't make much money, it was all a big lie. MFC sucks for chat hosts etc...

Thanks for setting everyone else straight, we were all "guessing", you on the other hand debunked the myth by using Claudia as a test subject for a couple hours. Results weren't great = site was shit, everyone else wrong or lieing.

/the world according to Robbie.

Will, I thought you were a webcam guy? The charge is $3.99 a minute. She makes 35%

And 5 to 15 guys in private at any given MOMENT does not mean that they are there the whole time. Lots of them...and I mean LOTS of them click in for just a second to see her tits and then click out. Jesus man...this is supposed to be your field of "expertise". Act like it.

EDIT: Also Will you're leaving out the 30 seconds "break" when the private or exclusive is over. Those add up as well...are you SURE you know about how webcams work? Or just how to market them?

Streamate takes 65%. So of $3.99 models get $1.40 ...


*edit*

Robbie beat me to it.

Yeah... and webcams are his field. I'm thinking that if he had thought about it a second he wouldn't have posted that. But I suppose he's in such a hurry to try and make me look like a liar that he didn't use his head.

when a guy clicks for 1 sec its 1min charge right away, so even better if there is 5-15 guys at a time.. that means you claim to be making even more per min.

who the fuck you kidding, if you had just 8 people in private together for 30 mins that would be $3.99 x 240 minutes = $957.60 x.35% = $335 more then you said she makes in 3-4 hours.

You making yourself look more and more like an idiot to make it sound like she has 5-15 people on at one time often. First it was "USUALLY" now its any given "MOMENT" for a couple seconds... Probably more like once a twice a day for a couple minutes 5+ people pop on and then leave, apparently because if she had that many people on for even 10 or 20 mins simultaneously she would make more in those couple mins then what you claim she makes in 3-4 hours. Doesn't add up. wow even with the 30 second breaks??? lol :1orglaugh

Even an amateur cam person can smell your self inflating ego bullshit bragging a mile away. There has been more than a few people who understand cams pointing out your bs shit and ignorance in this thread, but you right, you cracked it. Claudia is the hottest babe on the net, MFC doesn't work because her 2 hour test didn't make more than streamates, you were too stupid to factor in REGULARS you built up on streamates vs trying a new site out for the very first time with no regulars.

You could get a ton of helpfull advice in this thread that could make you more money, just like in another thread where you found out paying 35% credit card processing fees was over paying and you were able to save some money. You could make money if you fucking listened to people, but instead CM is great, everyone else is stupid. blah blah Do me a favor, you are truely an hardheaded idiot who is helpless....add me to your esteemed ignore list please.


The extra .40 i left off doesn't make much of a difference at all, she still only manages a little over 1 person paying in private at a time. And if she has 5-10 people at a time for a couple minutes then there is several minutes that she has no one on.


It's simple math you don't need to know shit about webcams...I'll do it to the penny with a calculator to be "exact" for everyone because OMG if I round it to a $1 because I was too lazy to break out the calculator then Robbie is shocked that I am so stupid because webcams is my field... fucking idiot.... calculator out, everyone taking notes???: 60 minutes in an hour. To make a profit of $100 an hour she needs to gross $285.75 an hour. (35% of 285.75 = $100.01) $285.75 / 60 mins = $4.76 a minute of gross sales, which if people are paying $3.99 a minute that is an average of a little more than 1 person at a time. If she has multiple people even just 2,3,4,5 people (much less 15 lol) on at the same time for even a short people of time then that means she would have to sit idle a decent amount of time as well. Or she would be making a lot more than $100 an hour her cut. Peddle that bullshit somewhere else. Simple fucking math. Even with the "30 seconds" breaks... LOL yes Robbie, those 30 seconds breaks, add up!!! let me tell you, if she did 20 individual sessions over the 4 hours that would add up to a whopping 10 mins of the 240 minutes.... staggering... i guess those couple missing 30 second breaks explained it all, like it was the answer to the Bermuda triangle or something. Silly me, I should have accounted for those 30 second breaks....