well you're probably joking but yes - I'm getting all my friends and family in. And if you are a traffic guy, you could easily have a stocked waiting list and make sure your family has their joins covered for the 24 months.

Things are about to get very interesting.

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i'd imagine the owners are pretty much the only ones who stand to rake it in eh

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No they're not--his competition is other people who recruit suckers for MLM's.

would you consider 100k -200k per month "Raking"?

you are still in this thread, why? Because you have the sinking suspicion that you stand to rake too... well in this case that intuition is telling you something important.

Not necessarily, even with the low commission structure, I can see some members doing pretty good and having some nice residual income especially if one of the arms of your downline really explodes. However, the only thing I see unique about this payment plan is its one of the lowest I've ever seen.

It's actually the highest, not the lowest - they put a full 50 percent of sales into commissions... thats unheard of in MLM - 25-30 is average.

Also an independent accounting firm verifies that they stay honest.

Lazy - what are you doing here - are you trying to convince others this is a bad deal? Or yourself?

You realize that if any member ever achieved the 100k/mo, the owners would be pulling in 8 figures monthly.

again, stop with the assumptions. i would never market your product, i have my own products i am selling.

You are incorrect.
Due to my close relationships with higher level players in this thing, I have a lot of info that I'm not going to get into here.

All I will say is that you are displaying all the signs of someone that is going to eventually join.

So at this point I would like to say. You can join under my group or any others..My group will be offering a lot of extra training and coaching and even sharing of joins SO I would like to have you if you decide to take the blue pill and see where the rabbit hole goes.

Every mlm uses the "independent accounting firm" saying. You are simply a robot who has believed everything your upline has told you. The 50% is based on you filling up your entire downline, and its technically not 50%. Your base level commission on a $60 sale is 2.5%, that's one of the lowest base level commissions I've ever seen for a multi level program. I'm trying to enlighten you on many of your misstatements throughout this thread and furthermore educate you on the fact that this is indeed not a unique payment plan, nor a unique product. Also, the only reason this company might be able to payout a higher commission after you've brought in 1000's in your downline is because its product is one of the most grossly overpriced products I've seen for an mlm. Do you really want to force your friends and family to pay $60/mo over and over for a $10 product just so you can make a couple hundred bucks a month?

i stand corrected! you're right.

based on my naivety re: mlm, , i kept thinking marketing efforts are based on a product, but i see now mlm marketing is based on getting peeps in the downline.

see - thats just it. You don't market ANYTHING... You don't sell anything either... Just refer 1 friend per month.

Would that really take away from your current biz even to the most miniscule extent? No it would not. But suit yourself...

I'm stepping away for a while. My sincerest thanks to my healthy debaters - many lurkers have been reading this and are now my waiting list - more than 10 now I think. WOW GFY rocks :winkwink:


http://gorich.124online.com/fru/pg/5...0/default.aspx

i'm old school- create a solid product then market it honestly and sell it at a fair price.

I'm 100% correct, do the math on how much product has to be moved at every level for just a few members to achieve the 100k/mo and apply normal margins for that product category and you'll see how much the owners have to be making. Why would I join under you and have to wait to finally be able to get in when I can join under Mark directly and get an immediate green ticket? http://markseyforth.124online.com/fr...8/default.aspx

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this kid has been brainwashed real good

Saying you don't market or sell a product is what takes this from a mlm to an illegal pyramid scheme, be careful how you phrase things in your promotion.

I'm heading out but I want to thank you Lazycash for the debate which has netted me 11 new people...

Oh...and welcome to One24 :)

my dad is on the waiting list. He wants to know how long?

my 2 brothers didnt have to wait.

I don't understand how this could NOT be a MLM scam.

You don't sell a product. You are required to buy one. You technically don't sell anything but the prospect of signing up others who will in turn buy product for themselves, without actually selling it to anyone, and then they will sign people up etc.

So people are technically buying a product from the owners of this "company" who are selling what looks like a tub of some sort of supplement powder? Can't cost more than $8-10 to manufacture and would probably retail in the $30-45 dollar range. Then from that sale you get $2-3 and the owner gets the rest of the profit?

But then getting back to it, you're stuck with $60 "worth" of dietary supplement powder that I would be willing to bet will last you much longer than a month.


And on top of it, instead of selling a product to people and saying "you can sell this too" and reaping to benefits of being able to sell product to anyone at any rate... you're limited to one new person a month, and that person is limited to one person a month, so it will take you 8 months to actually break even again before you start making money (your ninth month you will make something like $24, then at the end of the month you'll be ahead $512).

So with that said, all those who are asking how much he's made, you need to assume if he's on the earning plan he's projecting, he needs to have been doing this for more than 8 months to have turned a profit, so if he's already making money in less time, he's full of shit.


If I'm wrong, please correct me. I just don't understand how this can't be a scam.

Don't forget about the shave:winkwink:

Sure, I'm glad I could help. Now just hope you can get at least 2 of them to actually by the product when its their turn to become a paying member.

wow - some wacked out math you got going on there bro

for some real numbers - watch the second video on this page - "Compensation"
most people have to watch it a few times...

http://gorich.124online.com/fru/pg/38608/default.aspx

Actually, the picture of the product makes it look much bigger than it is. Its only 18 ounces, barely over a pound and will probably not even last a month. It would retail for $15 max and is incredibly overpriced at $60. Is this really what you want to force your friends and family to have to buy each month?

As long as there is a product its hard to label this a pyramid scheme as the entry to the program is not just money, but the guise of purchasing a tangible product. Forcing a member to buy the product monthly to remain active does walk a fine line, but as long as the product is moving then its ok.

I took what you'd be making per month, added them together.

Then I took what your expenses would be per month ($60 x 9), not including your time and effort.

I got 540 and $564 for the end of the first 8 months going into 9 months.

Not sure where I went wrong there because I used the graph you posted.

Instead of telling me to watch a video I'm not going to watch, why don't you tell me where I went wrong?

Looked to be about half the size of the 5lb bottles of Optimal Nutrition protein powder I have been buying for 5 years, which are about $55 lol.

If that's an 18oz bottle it's closer to the noXplode I have, which is about 1.8 pounds and the serving size is considerably less. So I guess you could use it in a month. My bad on that, I thought it was much bigger for $60.

you can't even sell the product by itself??

i suspect it has to be $60 to cover the math for 18 levels eh?

I simply took the 16.5g serving on the label times the 30 servings per container, which comes out to a little over a pound. This really isn't a product you can compare to high end supplements like noxplode, its just a super nutrional drink mix and not meant to be a meal replacement as has been suggested.

Bingo, they create such a huge profit margin and make sure there is enough fat to cover all commissions. Since you have to purchase the product monthly to enter and remain active in the company, its guaranteed gravy.

do marketing programs like this actually hit 18 levels? i can see maybe 10 levels-ish for the big ones- avon, pampered chef. but with attrition, especially on something like this, 18 levels seems outlandish.

Having watched the video, how people are making money makes sense.

Still doesn't make it legit though.

The graph he posted was based on you signing up three people over 3 months, and those people only signing up three people and so on.

After the first two minutes (maybe less maybe more) of the video there was zero mention of the product itself.

I always thought business revolved around marketing and selling a good or service. Franchisees typically don't get into any business with the intention of selling the opening of other franchises to other franchisees and so on.

I just don't get how anyone can look at this with a straight face and think it's on the up-and-up while still maintaining any level of understanding of what is really going on.

I wonder how successful one could be if they just sold the product itself without signing anyone up. From what was mentioned in the video it seems you CAN buy more than one unit of the product per month, but they would really have to market the shit out of it to turn a profit on something that's already got a distributor purchase price of $60.

It just doesn't work on any legit level.

doing a little snooping around on mlm, found this graph. also, found a bunch on mlm that have more than 5 levels in the downline

http://oi55.tinypic.com/2q37sr9.jpg

i read that graph to mean that mlm marketing profits are based on those in your downline losing money, i.e. friends and family, etc.

is that accurate?

Bottom line is you're really relying on other people to put in hard work to "add" people who are going to put in hard work to "add" people to put in hard work to..... it goes on.

You could be the best salesperson ever but if the people you sign up are worthless then you're going to lose money no matter how many people you have on.

But at least the company selling you product is giving out 50% of their total earnings... :1orglaugh

i hear ya, i was more than surprised by the #s of the well-known programs, i mean amway only has a .01% of peeps making money, everyone in amway MAKING MONEY is making money off those who are losing money paying it into the system beneath them.

i had no idea! WOW.

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looks like a little MLM bashing party going on... well Im right there with you guys...I hate things that aren't based on solidity and integrity. I feel I'm really lucky to have found a plan I can really get behind because it IS so solid.

I agree all those companies have bad payment policies that don't provide enough incentives and rewards to make it EASY for new people to succeed. (although the numbers in that chart look like pure fiction to me)

I could never have imagined myself going in for something like this, I always despised even the thought of MLM...until I researched One24 and I realized the HUGE MAJOR and FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between this Program and all that came before it.

You see - they make it almost impossible to fail.

Get one person per month - you think thats hard? (I got 11 today from this thread)

Pay $60 bucks per month - can you manage that? (your checks will get bigger than that in a short amount of time)

There is nothing like this guys, never has been...

I could explain all about the Platinum pool of cash and the Gold Rush and the various ways highly motivated peeps can make way more money, faster... But suffice it to just focus on the Green Ticket money - 100k per month sounds too good right? But have any of you posed anything even close to a scenario where the 100k per month is out of reach or even overly ambitious. Did you look at the graph?

It will click soon guys, keep that mind working.. as soon as you get the UNIQUENESS here - then you get it.

One word: EASY - low attrition = no one drops out, why would they, it's too painless and easy to win.







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