this isn't an affiliate program - those 13 alone could be my retirement

priceless. and you need 70 bucks to break even lol. no cost. wow. it's like volunteering!

yeah. retirement. definitely going to happen for you with this.

You keep talking in vague generalities and its hilarious to see you act as though its some great feat that a pc is covering his monthly $60 cost in commissions, lol. You have trouble even engaging in a rationale debate, you just come back with juvenile remarks and avoid the issues pointed out. I never called it a pyramid scheme, did you even read what I wrote?

For the very last time, do some due diligence, this is not something ingenious whatsoever, there have been dozens of mlm's through the 80's and 90's that paid out commissions on multiple downlines and required a monthly product purchase. I'm not lashing out at you and nothing I've said is based on emotion, I was doing mlm before you were born and have a wealth of experience to understand the likelihood of something succeeding. I know you are young and this is your first mlm and I wish you success, but learn how to promote the actual product, get away from all of the cliche mlm hype phrases and actually learn how to overcome skeptic's objections.

So just in case you haven't been reading - once your checks exceed 60 - then your monthly cost is a wash.

There was no mention of profits - I could post checks here for many thousands of dollars, but I will not post or talk about atypically positive income. I will only tell people what they can realistically expect to make.

My statement was only in response to Lazy's imaginary math scenario where a member has costs over a yearly period.

Once again - as soon as your monthly checks reach $60 (usually in the first few months) then your costs are zero.


This would seem the easiest part of the plan to grasp - yet people persist in looking at the costs per year - how is it costing you anything if you are getting checks that cover those costs?

You are REQUIRED by the PROGRAM to PURCHASE $60 worth of PRODUCT per MONTH.

Therefore, yes you are required to pay to be a part of this program.

If you weren't required to purchase the product and only sign people up, this would be much more legit - but then then you would be in the business of selling the product, not the MLM aspect of it, then you wouldn't have any money coming in.

I don't get how you don't understand this.

Weren't you promoting a mlm a few years back ?
are you rich yet ?

Ugh, its like talking to a little kid, I have been talking about "costs" only and you keep mixing it with profits, please just read. Costs are still costs, they don't change because of varying profits. Bottom line, a pc has to commit to spending $840 annually in order to keep their membership. If they refer just one new person each month to maintain their membership then that means 12 $60 purchases for a commission of $18. I've never seen an mlm where it takes months just to break even, generally if you've referred 20 members who make product purchases you are instantly at least making 4 figures monthly.

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I first thought you were a halfwit, then an idiot, and now I think you're a loony.

'could be' goes both ways. they also 'could be' absolutely worthless. whereas with affiliate programs, join = $, straight up

i know you have to speak in generalities and potential in order to make what you're selling (yes, you're selling, although you say there is 'no marketing' involved) sound appealing and worthwhile. you have to contradict yourself by saying things like: "all of those people on my waiting list will join" and then turning around to say "those 13 alone could be my retirement". it's part of the sales pitch. i grew up with amway folks. they spoke this same way. but at least with amway you or anyone else could buy/sell the products when you wanted, so a true salesman could potentially work their earnings. the fact that the only way to get this product is by joining the program is a red flag and actually makes it MORE flawed than other mlm's. if you stop looking at the 'could be/would be' stuff you might actually see the flaws yourself.

don't take peoples' attacks personally. they are really (mostly) just attacking this program or mlm's altogether. i admit i'm one of them. :winkwink: i wish you luck, because luck is the ONLY thing that will garner you success with this

I have not spoken in any "vague generalities" and nothing I have said is juvenile.

This is not my first MLM and I'm in my mid 40's - were you doing MLM back in the early 60's?

Your so called "wealth of experience" has failed you here, a person who has a wealth of experience with a given subject does not make wildly false claims that can be easily proven to be bogus.

Do you really want me to post some big checks here from One24 to show everyone just how incredibly wrong you have been in each one of your silly attacks?

You jumped on this thread with your mantra of "this is more of the same" prior to knowing anything about One24 - now that you have had time to learn just how ingenious and unique this program really is... your pride is requiring you to stick to your guns even though I have completely refuted each one of your statements.

You appear to be a guy who has failed in MLM before and you have a bone to pick with the industry. But people know that invention does happen, innovation is very alive in this world today, the failures of the MLM programs that have come before One24 have been addressed by One24 in ways that you haven't even looked into.

Show me a claim I made that was false? Did I ever say nobody was making any money in this? Did I ever say nobody was getting any checks? I'm not attacking you, I'm simply pointing out to others my opinion of the product and compensation plan. I already knew about one24 since last July before you even signed up. I tried to give you some constructive criticism on how to better market yourself and the company, obviously you've chosen to ignore it. You haven't refuted anything I've said, I've asked you over a dozen times to show me how this mlm is unique from dozens of others that have come and gone over the last 25 years. Commissions on multiple downlines 10+ levels deep - done before, Product purchase as a requirement for entry - done before, Intentional staggered waiting period for membership entry - done before, All members given their own referral web page - done before, Nutrional product - done a hundred times before. The only person in this thread who has made false claims is you, by continually telling us this is a unique opportunity never done before.

Why do you keep using the word ingenious, there is absolutely nothing unique about this payment/compensation plan. Every mlm that has ever come along says they are different and are doing something different vs those that have failed. I don't believe for one second you've been in mlm before, otherwise you would have already known this. I don't have any bone to pick, if I saw anything at all I liked with this product and compensation plan then I'd probably throw some traffic at this.

$1.50 PPS on a $60 sale of something that nobody has heard of, or wants. Awesome! Sign me up!

Constructive Criticism at it's finest :)

Now I'm going to look into this GFY ignore feature - take care Lazy :1orglaugh



Originally Posted by lazycash
"Lol, they only have one product, and it sucks, nothing here worth wasting your time on."

Originally Posted by lazycash
Don't think he's interested in gouging people $60/mo for a $15 product at most, just so he can line his pockets.

Originally Posted by lazycash
this is one of the worst mlm compensation plans I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by lazycash
this is so similar to hundreds of other mlm's to come and go over the years.

Originally Posted by lazycash
you haven't even compared it to what else is out there or what else has come and gone with the exact same hype and payment structure?

Originally Posted by lazycash
Its obvious by this thread he knows very little about the product nor really cares about it. He's simply interested in recruiting others to pay $60 for a $10 product and having them do the same to others and so on, he could care less what the product is as long as its something people have to use and reorder monthly.

Originally Posted by lazycash
I'll do the honor of giving Richie's first income update. He's ordered 2 months of product, -$120 and brought in 2 people who ordered a month's supply, so his commission is $3. So his net earnings as of now are negative $117. Don't worry though, he should be in the plus sometime next June.

Originally Posted by lazycash
The way traditional mlm's get around being labeled an illegal pyramid scheme is by having a viable product that needs to be reordered.

Originally Posted by lazycash
So you have a product with huge margins that's going to be ordered over and over even if you don't use it, like it or want it. So essentially the product just becomes a shill or front and the recruiting/marketing takes center stage

Originally Posted by lazycash
the only thing I see unique about this payment plan is its one of the lowest I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by lazycash
Do you really want to force your friends and family to pay $60/mo over and over for a $10 product just so you can make a couple hundred bucks a month?


Originally Posted by lazycash
Saying you don't market or sell a product is what takes this from a mlm to an illegal pyramid scheme


Originally Posted by lazycash
It would retail for $15 max and is incredibly overpriced at $60. Is this really what you want to force your friends and family to have to buy each month?

Originally Posted by lazycash
Many will drop out, because they don't want to pay $720/yr for something they aren't making any money at,

Originally Posted by lazycash
Essentially making the product just a front for the movement of $60 per person throughout the downlines, which then just makes it just a pyramid scheme.




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Seem to be putting in a massive amount of hours to recover your $60 + $10p&p.

I feel like we're being trolled.

Just because you can't take it constructively doesn't make it so, you didn't refute even one of those statements other than you think the product is pretty good. The weak usually resort to the ignore when they can't carry on a rational debate.

i'd like to get that traffic, we are installing the affiliate plan now, 30% payout. if you are interested please let me know how to contact you or you can contact me at info at take charge food dot com


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I remember back in the day, I started and owned a MLM software company, which is/was a leader in MLM software at the time at least. Had it for five years. I have to say, guys who start up programs like this one are some of the most annoying, pompous, unintelligent, arrogant assholes there are to work with.

Some guy wants to sell poodles, or another guy realizes people don't like pyramid schemes, so he wants a diamond one! And not just one diamond, but three, and they should flip upside down every month. These guys figure ideas like this are the best way forward to secure their retirement.

Extremely impatient industry as well. You don't reply within 36 hours to people, and you'll get a bunch of voicemails of them screaming, and e-mails in all caps, "WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU, YOU THIEF?!? ANSWER ME NOW, OR I'M GOING TO SUE YOU AND CALL THE COPS! YOU HAVE 12 HOURS!". And the entire industry it just one big scam, filled with hype, and everyone is better than everyone. There's no substance at all.

Although I will admit, I did have a decent number of clients who did very well. For example, a couple ladies from home started up a small MLM, and within a couple months they were making like $200,000 a week. I remember, they were all frantic because they needed a better system, and had more money than they knew what to do with, so I got $10,000 for a week of development. Was great! :) Was 18 hour days, but what the hell...

After five years in MLM software, I was too stressed, and sold for about 15% of company value. Sold within 12 hours though.

Sure, but are you going to cap me at 100k a month?

sure, i'll cap ya when you hit $100k/ month!

which one would you prefer?

http://www.hatjunkies.com/wp-content...ted-hats-3.jpg

How did all those previous MLM's work out for you? You must be retired several times over y now!

Why did you ignore my question? How much money have you made off this amazing deal? Or are you still in the negatives, and +1 jar of useless cheap shit?

Fuck you're a clown, seriously, come back in a year and let us know how rich you are!

Whatès surprising about that? It's always the ones who START the MLM who make money.... :2 cents:

Funny, I thought the weak were th ones who continuously get eaten up in MLM schemes, lol.

imagine a city of 1000 people , everyone eventually joins, everyone is now paying $60 + shipping for a box of cereal every month, owner is rich, a few of the top guys will be making coin, everyone else is just paying $60 a month for cereal and they were lied to from the people above them and eventually will quit and the people above quit and it goes like dominos. You already aren't going to be one of the top guys , those spot are taken

Shhhhhhh, he's going to be rich. His research and extensive past MLM experience have proven so.

Your logic has utterly failed you and your theories about what you and other will be making are complete devoid of any semblance of fact.

Say you work your ass off for these next two months and you get to 200 people under you.

Lets look at the facts:

with 200 people under you the company is billing a total of $24,000 for those two months. They are paying you $600(minus the 120 you have to pay to stay in the program) of that. Wow 60 days work and you have made $480 dollars.

NOWWW let say all 200 quit trying to recruit as they realize its a scam

Month three you have lost your 200 affiliates.. you now are back to owing $60 a month(PLUS SHIPPING) and possibly starting the cycle over again to build up more active affiliates..

you could find your own item to sell to the same 200 people rather then try to screw them over by getting them into this system and you could have made a ton more. $30 product? you could make $6,000 in those same 2 months $60 product? $12,000 in that same two months.

Anybody got a broom for NEW XTC to sweep up his shattered dreams?

trollin hard :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't like thos3e facts, I'm going to use my own.

1. signup for MLM
2. get people to signup under me.
3. ????????
4. profit!


see, it's easy. you just hatin' cuz i'ma be rich bitch!

that only works with underpants, bruh

So I jumped from page 2 to page 6, did I miss anything important? :pimp

Your best chance to be a multi-millionaire!

Nothing, really. But can you start up a site, and within 6 - 8 weeks be bringing in $200,000/week? I know I can't. I figure that was pretty impressive for a couple middle-aged ladies, who one day while drinking coffee together figured, "well, this is kinda boring. I know, lets start an MLM!".

I've known lots who have done that type of thing. Have yet to meet one who was capable of sustaining the operation though.

i like mlm





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