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dyna mo 12-13-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17770731)
i'm about to light myself on fire.

would you like someone to report your fire to the proper authorities or should we just let you burn?

BIGTYMER 12-13-2010 03:48 PM

It use to be the land of the free...

I'm glad we beat the Brits just to have our gov tax the shit out of us.

u-Bob 12-13-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17770434)
amp, you don't like police or any organization that is charged with protecting citizens, and you disagree with citizens looking out for each other.

so what is your idea for protection & security in a society of 100s of millions of people like america?

There's a difference between defending yourself/your family/your neighbors and reporting tons of information about your neighbors to some organization that claims to protect people but in reality forces people to pay for substandard services and constantly abuses the powers it claims to have.

dyna mo 12-13-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 17771012)
There's a difference between defending yourself/your family/your neighbors and reporting tons of information about your neighbors to some organization that claims to protect people but in reality forces people to pay for substandard services and constantly abuses the powers it claims to have.

i am fully aware of that.

there are miles to go before we are a society of suspicious activity reporting robots "reporting tons of information about your neighbors to some organization that claims to protect people but in reality forces people to pay for substandard services and constantly abuses the powers it claims to have."

and your comment does not answer the question.

fatfoo 12-13-2010 04:41 PM

There is not much privacy nowadays. A lot of people like to snitch.

minicivan 12-13-2010 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17770434)
amp, you don't like police or any organization that is charged with protecting citizens, and you disagree with citizens looking out for each other.

so what is your idea for protection & security in a society of 100s of millions of people like america?

His problem is authority, nothing else. The arguments are just a irrational struggle to rationalize an irrational fear and resentment of authority. The so called "concerns" always have the same recurring theme.

Caligari 12-13-2010 05:27 PM

Them terrorists hate us for our freedoms...and our property rights:1orglaugh

Personally I'm pretty concerned about people calling in unwarranted pandemics;)

dyna mo 12-13-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17771223)

Personally I'm pretty concerned about people calling in unwarranted pandemics;)

:1orglaugh

it's like an unprepared student calling in a bomb threat on exam day! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

obviously, it's way out of control. i'm surprised there's a single day of school.

PornMD 12-13-2010 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17770497)
1) I vote in every election.
2) I call my senator, governer, and congressman's offices on a regular basis about issues.
3) I read, constantly... latest events, publications from all sides of the fence, and much about constitutional law.
4) I donate money to organizations I feel are promoting and working for causes I believe in

and most importantly... I talk to people I know, and people I meet, about current issues and ask them to vote and be active in changing the United States for the better in the same ways I do.

I'd rather spend my time and money preparing for how the government is going to fuck me regardless of how I or the others around me vote.

moeloubani 12-13-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17770434)
amp, you don't like police or any organization that is charged with protecting citizens, and you disagree with citizens looking out for each other.

so what is your idea for protection & security in a society of 100s of millions of people like america?

Here's one: get people to care about each other and love each other and they won't kill each other. How about that?

Instead of making them afraid of each other, get people working together and being a real society and not just a bunch of paranoid drones.

So fucking simple - all over the world people care about each other and love each other and you never see things like this happen. Problems with people are rooted out early because people care and want to help each other. Instead you have everyone now being afraid of everyone, afraid to talk, afraid to even think and problems boil up in people until they pop because they are afraid to talk things out.

dyna mo 12-13-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17771256)
Here's one: get people to care about each other and love each other and they won't kill each other. How about that?

Instead of making them afraid of each other, get people working together and being a real society and not just a bunch of paranoid drones.

So fucking simple - all over the world people care about each other and love each other and you never see things like this happen. Problems with people are rooted out early because people care and want to help each other. Instead you have everyone now being afraid of everyone, afraid to talk, afraid to even think and problems boil up in people until they pop because they are afraid to talk things out.

finally, an answer. one that based on pie in the sky, but a direct answer, thank you.

Caligari 12-13-2010 05:46 PM

Apparently this app went through alot of changes before they approved the final version.
I found this early version which I thought was pretty interesting.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3026/badapp.jpg

moeloubani 12-13-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17771271)
finally, an answer. one that based on pie in the sky, but a direct answer, thank you.

We could at least give it a try. Can't deny that it beats hating everyone and being afraid of everyone.

dyna mo 12-13-2010 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17771385)
We could at least give it a try. Can't deny that it beats hating everyone and being afraid of everyone.

i'm in! :)

potter 12-13-2010 08:20 PM

The idea behind it is great. As much as I don't agree with the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security. But still, the idea behind the app is still actually good.

Penrod 12-13-2010 08:35 PM

The MVP winner of the the Superbowl "New Orleans Saints" should get to decide our next course of action.

Penrod 12-13-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17771277)
Apparently this app went through alot of changes before they approved the final version.
I found this early version which I thought was pretty interesting.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3026/badapp.jpg

I just downloaded this version and it rocks......I never knew there were so many trees as big as mountains.

Caligari 12-14-2010 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Penrod (Post 17771637)
I just downloaded this version and it rocks......I never knew there were so many trees as big as mountains.

I was personally concerned about the disco skaters and the possibility of yet another Resident Evil movie;)

seeandsee 12-14-2010 06:29 AM

this can help with taking your enemies behind the wall

CaptainHowdy 12-14-2010 08:05 AM

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/6...4/NA002263.jpg

u-Bob 12-14-2010 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17771129)
His problem is authority, nothing else. The arguments are just a irrational struggle to rationalize an irrational fear and resentment of authority. The so called "concerns" always have the same recurring theme.

I can't look into Amp's mind, but isn't it possible that he doesn't have a problem with authority but with blind obedience? because that is what we are heading for; we are constantly being 'encouraged' to question the motives/intentions of our peers, but questioning the intentions or effectiveness of those who are supposed to protect and serve us is a big no no.

nico-t 12-14-2010 08:54 AM

i agree with amp... alot of people see things like this as an isolated little detail, but add all these little things up and you can see that a police state is being created in small subtle steps... although that screen at walmart is not so subtle.
It's fear mongering propaganda from your own government and nothing else.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-14-2010 09:09 AM

All this recent pushing for "public participation" in the fight on terror boils down to one thing, and that is not the fear of foreign terrorists, but the the fear of domestic enemies of the state. The United States is slowly slipping into a state of pre-revolution. The economy is failing, the income gap is growing, government controls are getting stricter and a large portion of the population stands in direct opposition of what their own government is doing. That portion of the population appears to be growing too. What the American government fears more than anything else at this point is being overthrown by it's own people. No government in he world has the power to take out the United States. This whole DHS video display and Patriot App style of counter-terrorism they are coming out with now has very little to do with Achmed hiding out waiting to blow up the pentagon, and more to do with reporting your neighbor for saying the government is wrong and someone should off the president. Why? Because he could be a terrorist for having that opinion. How long before simply having that opinion alone is terms for an arrest or imprisonment?

If people don't see some serious issue with the direction this is going for them, they deserve to live simply as owned livestock that they are. If that's what they want to call freedom so be it. They're probably the same type of people who support the government's desire to strip citizens rights to own firearms too. Because they are dangerous! For get the fact that that whole line in the constitution was about people having the ability to overthrow their government should it lose control.

Never in history have people been so grossly overpowered by their own government. The people of most armed governments today, couldn't overthrow the people in power if the entire fucking nation wanted to. It's disgusting to watch people buy right into the bullshit. There was a day when if the government was doing something out of line and people could band together and take up arms and change shit. Those days are done. If you're not towing the party line, you're a fucking enemy, and ow we have a sweet iPhone app that your neighbor can use to tell the appropriate agency so. I hope those of you who blindly buy into all this shit in the name of personal security are the first to eat bullets when the shit hits the fan, I really do.

dyna mo 12-14-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 17772520)
I can't look into Amp's mind, but isn't it possible that he doesn't have a problem with authority but with blind obedience? because that is what we are heading for; we are constantly being 'encouraged' to question the motives/intentions of our peers, but questioning the intentions or effectiveness of those who are supposed to protect and serve us is a big no no.

but that's not what's going on here. my view is a great example. i question authority often. i'm on record here recognizing some police abuse their authority, tsa is out of control, etc. but i also try and look for solutions to the problem, which is we live in a society with rules that are in place for the benefit of the whole so how do we enforce those rules.
I also prod others when they incorrectly portray things, such as stating the u.s. is a police state, which it currently is not. and the fact that there have been "neighbors report suspicious activity* programs for many years already yet there is no widespread abuse of that nor government taking advantage of that.

that all gets interpreted as endorsing the police state and i've been labeled a sheep that needs to pull his head out of his ass and wake up.

it's not about questioning authority for these people like amp, it's about "enlightening" others to one's fearful view of their world and requiring everyone agree with it. or else.


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