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hmm, this does not sound too good. . people owed money should be paid out 100% of the time especially if you are not "out of business"

people not getting paid when a company goes busto I can understand ,but just flat out cutting people out for random reasons and refusing to pay whatever is due sounds real bad

lol is he ever serious? ;)))

I can't stand how this industry does that. SO unprofessional.

In the mainstream world, when a business relationship is terminated by one party they give notice and time to address it. In adult, they terminate you, keep your traffic (sometimes) and then keep what they owe you. They look the other way when it's a grey area and profit until they decide to just stop without notice.

"fuck you, pay me." lol

sounds like he changed his terms now, but, that does not cover payments that were already outstanding.

go to a mainstream boards. plenty of mainstream affiliate networks crashed and burned and stiffed people in 2010 as well.

great depression 2.0 + rapid technological change = general chaos.

yeah of course it happens everywhere, and I suppose I was referring to not just internet biz...

It's just easier to burn people on the internet in general.

online industry needs a BBB for B2B transactions. so one can *easily* look up the good and bad of companies AND the people behind them.
I would easily pay to subscribe to such a thing, if it had good, searchable, convenient info that filled the gap.
People that run out on their debts = fucking losers.

I would be ashamed to admit I hang around or associate or do business with someone like this.

Just last week I had a foreign employee quit on me after putting me through some considerable trouble (no notice, disappeared for a while, etc). She showed up weeks later, asking to be paid for the pro rated amount of a job she had not finished. [which was tiny, and frankly not worth my time even to do the paypal, never mind make up for the hassles she had brought upon me]. But what did I do? I sent her the goddamn money because I pay my debts, not just to people that can hurt me, but to people who can't.

Sometimes I'm really embarassed to work "online".

alo! family comes first :)

congrats on the twins dave, and enjoy seeing them grow.. they will only do it once :winkwink:

http://www.ripoffreport.com usually works pretty well believe it or not. It isn't perfect but it's a great place to report people who screw you as long as you make sure to sufficiently identify them. From what I gather they tend not to remove reports easily under casual legal threats although they have some sort of advocacy plan which tries to sugar coat it. Even so the reports seem to stay up. Hit that site and a dozen like it with sufficient info on the online business and owners who ripped you off and they will not be able to avoid getting hurt by it. Just make sure you really mean what you say because I don't think they will take the report down or allow you to edit it after the fact.

That is still bullshit though, if that was even what the real reason was. If so, then he could have sent people out a notice informing them to fix the dead links etc or they would be removed from the program. Then he should have deleted those sites. BUT that is not what happened, apparently people kept making sales and they just up and decided not to send out the checks.... huge difference. :2 cents:

Atleast pay the folks before you disappear Dave...

As I remember admin area properly, there was no option for webmasters to remove dead sites. I tried to do this after one of my domains expired and no help from Cyberage at all.

It's a lame excuse not to pay because CA created this issue for webmasters. In my case, none of my sites were actually listed in their directory and all sales were generated from my own traffic. Cyberage's system is outdated and inefficient if anything at all.

Maybe I should disable access to my members and tell them to charge back?! Looks like a logic course of action.

this is how american business ethic is at work

Translate: we are keeping all rebills and current money owned to people. Bye bye now!
lol

sounds like another big avs system from years long ago

cliff notes please.

more like, we are broke and doing what most other companies do before they close down, we stop sending out checks to the affiliate who aren't sending us lots of new sales so we can keep all of their current rebills.

If you currently sending them new sales and they haven't cut you off yet then you would be crazy to keep sending them sales unless if you were on PPS. Why build up a revshare base of customers with a company that has already justified in their heads why to stop paying their affiliates.

No more comments from Dave in any of these threads?

Frankly Dave I'd be pissed too. If I were your affiliate for 10 years I too would definitely have a bunch of old pages still up, with old links and banners etc. Probably a lot of forgotten pages as well, it's the nature of the beast when doing this kind of work long-term. I may not promote you guys but I do have several sponsors that I've been promoting for longer than 10 years actually, none of them have cut me off and accused me of abusing their system. Ever. (I dare anyone to try it though)

Adding to what Quiet, Kristen and others have said, if it's not that much money we're talking about then wouldn't it be better and far more beneficial to your company name to at least pay these people out rather than just basically steal their money?

non-US brains have none you. money to make not you by.

No, radio silence.

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Dave, are you going to pay people their money or should they start some sites about you like they did about Chris Mallick?

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Hopefully that comment will open Dave's eyes, wake Dave up, and make him realize that his is officially a thief scammer, and is entitled to truthful websites identifying him as a piece of shit thief

That's never good.

In that case I guess they might consider checking their stats and verifying that they are still receiving hits from them. Then set up an .htaccess redirect for the entry and protected gateway url (especially the protected url) which redirects the customer to a page when the referrer is one of Cybeage's domains which briefly explains what happened and why they are being denied access. You might also put up an instructional encouraging them to initiate a chargeback with their bank if they recently joined for the purpose of visiting your site. Link to a page such as this http://www.ehow.com/list_6302309_pro...hargeback.html or better yet a Youtube video. If you want to make some cash direct them to another AVS with your code as well.

Bonus points: Try to cloak the redirect from any automated bot Cyberage uses if you know how to do this.

If anyone needs some help with a basic .htaccess let me know and I'll post something or email it. you. Happy to help.

If you don't know the facts, please stay out of it. We never stopped paying our affiliates.

according to several people on GFY that is a lie.

Unless if you are playing the semantics game, where you remove people from being an affiliate first and then not pay them. In that case the person is no longer an affiliate so your statement " we never stopped paying affiliates would be true".

are you playing the semantics game, or are the several people posting here who claim to be an affiliate and haven't been paid are lieing ???

Then why did you say that you cut of people that hadn't updated their sites in years?

Reminds me of those family members of Chris Mallick that started emailing the owners of those anti-Mallick sites to find out if Chris had already paid back what he stole.

The fact is:

1. many legitimate webmasters have not been paid for MANY months! (some are personal friends of mine and explained to me in detail about your non paying and no replying)

2. you said yourself, that you will discontinue paying affiliates that had dead links, didn't update much etc

basically you are trying to defend a reason that isn't there, and sounding like more of a lying, scamming asshole

Dave, if you terminate an account because "someone hasn't updated his sites enough" do you still pay him what he earned before you terminated his account?

Yes, especially because we can't contact them.

Happy holidays!

What has updating the page EVER had anything to do with anything.

Lets make that a new rule. That should eliminate some competition. :)

Either you pay out honestly on all rebills or you dont unless it is in the terms. Now I guess you could just chg terms. Cause that is always allowed. :)

So in the end it comes down to company on company - man o on man o - o shitlist avoido

BTW, good spot to mention, again, (and again)..

Perfect Gonzo paid me my $40 after they closed. (upon request, they had a $100 min) This was for anyone who requested payment.

Very class act people who will always have my respect and a good word at times like this.

Then why have multiple people across multiple boards claimed they simply couldn't login one day, got no explanation from you, couldn't get a response by emailing you and were never paid out the earnings in their account? If your partner is the one doing this, are you fully aware of the extent of his actions?

You're definitely one of the long lasting friends i've made on this board and within this industry. GOod people right here!

Love ya bro