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Agent 488 12-14-2010 10:40 AM
biz on the decline, sees the writing on the wall, hoard whatever cash whatever way you can to maintain ones lifestyle.

Brujah 12-14-2010 10:45 AM
Compdoctor is rolling over in his grave.

WiredGuy 12-14-2010 10:50 AM
For most people that's true. One example to the contrary is WEGCash. Their last payments, albeit late, came through at their expense. They were not paid and made a large loss to take care of their affiliates when they knew they would be closing up shop. Something like that will resonate with someone like me a lot more than someone who closed up and left. And if they ever do release a new affiliate progam, I'd be more than happy to promote them.
WG

Dwreck 12-14-2010 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17772916)
Compdoctor is rolling over in his grave.
That's an old school name I never heard in a long time.

Shap 12-14-2010 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 17772928)
For most people that's true. One example to the contrary is WEGCash. Their last payments, albeit late, came through at their expense. They were not paid and made a large loss to take care of their affiliates when they knew they would be closing up shop. Something like that will resonate with someone like me a lot more than someone who closed up and left. And if they ever do release a new affiliate progam, I'd be more than happy to promote them.
WG
Exactly. Not only that many people here are not limited to adult. If you want to branch out and start a new mainstream venture (which is the way many people go) it's nice to have people you can call to either get help, feedback or do new business with.

SteveHardeman 12-14-2010 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17772760)
I have a bad feeling that the disappearing act is going to be very trendy in 2011 :disgust
Hmmm, I was thinking that there was SOOO much cleanout in 2010 that there won't be as much to clean out in 2011.

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 17772799)
i have seen it happen over and over, and so have you.
I know a lot of people and programs have screwed people over but which ones have screwed people over and then come back with a new program and been successful? Or shit, just come back, whether successful or not.

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17772811)
what i don't understand is why people do not sell their businesses while they are still profitable. instead of running them down and squeezing the last drop out of it. but this is not something that happens only in adult internet, i saw the same in my mainstream job before i came here.
Adult business values are lower than ever.
My guess is that the owners see that it is more profitable for them to stop paying webmasters and soak up the remaining billing rather than outright selling. Perhaps when they see that there are consequences to that decision, this will happen less often. But, I haven't seen many consequences thus far.

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17772818)
One word

GREED

I've talked to many guys who wanted to sell. They always way overvalue their product and believe they can do better. Then when they don't and then can't pay their bills they have no choice to rip us all off.
Or they made a conscious decision to stop paying webmasters and keep all the billing for themselves as that would be more profitable than selling out in today's market.

TisMe 12-14-2010 11:05 AM
What I remember from the Adultcheck vs Agecheck lawsuit years ago was that Adultcheck accused the founders of Agecheck of stealing info while doing work at Adultcheck or the founder's home (don't remember which).

The case was settled and as a part of the settlement Agecheck changed their name to Cyberage.

That is how I remember it from many years ago.

Roald 12-14-2010 11:12 AM
this happens in every industry and not only adult.

will76 12-14-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TisMe (Post 17772962)
What I remember from the Adultcheck vs Agecheck lawsuit years ago was that Adultcheck accused the founders of Agecheck of stealing info while doing work at Adultcheck or the founder's home (don't remember which).

The case was settled and as a part of the settlement Agecheck changed their name to Cyberage.

That is how I remember it from many years ago.
I knew that way back, but had forgotten and forgot how it was cyberage that was involved with that.

JFK 12-14-2010 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17772998)
I knew that way back, but had forgotten and forgot how it was cyberage that was involved with that.
Yes, it was, I was with Adultcheck at the time :thumbsup

JFK 12-14-2010 11:37 AM
Fitty .............History lessons

Ethersync 12-14-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17772831)
Maybe he has a personal blog we can link :winkwink:
No blog, but it's surprisingly easy to find his home address on a property valuation website that includes a map to his door, including street view. Looks like a nice place. Certainly appears to be worth more than the $2.5 million it's appraised at, but these days who knows...

Pipecrew 12-14-2010 11:49 AM
As they say, Your reputation is always written in sand and your wrongdoings written in stone.

12clicks 12-14-2010 12:02 PM
Shap, I just want to know one thing.........who's fat albert?

arock10 12-14-2010 12:33 PM
cant they just sell their program to themselves?

Shap 12-14-2010 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17773100)
Shap, I just want to know one thing.........who's fat albert?
Adult Star Profits

pornguy 12-14-2010 01:02 PM
Most of the people in this industry done even bother running this like a business. They get a check and they spend it. To Hell with having money for new content, servers, employees, tools etc. they live rich and show it off. then one day,they NEED it and dont have it.

Nubiles 12-14-2010 01:41 PM
Challenges don't build character they reveal them. Its easy to be the top notch guy when times are good. Take a second look around.

Sarah_Jayne 12-14-2010 02:01 PM
I understand that companies close. I don't particularly like being told accounts are closed due to abuse when you know you have never done any such thing and in fact have been rather vocal supporters.

jonnydoe 12-14-2010 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17772760)
In most cases when people leave this biz they always do it with a scam. They leave people high and dry. I don't know why, that is just really dumb imo. I've done very well. I've saved a lot of money. I've enjoyed a life that I never dreamed possible. All thanks to this industry and the people in it. If anything I'd go out with a bang in a good way and throw the biggest promo ever or something like that. Maybe that's just me. I know I'm generalizing. There are plenty of people that went out the right way. Fantasyman, Mike AI, Marc De etc. I just think with 2011 around the corner I'm not expecting to see many people go out like that. I'm expecting to see a continued increase in how many people leave us high and dry.

Last night's CyberAge Dave threads really got me thinking. The more I think about it I think Will's approach is the better approach for a lot of us (especially those with an influential voice) to have. You can not rely on someone's history. If someone stops paying today they erase 10 years of history and no matter how good they WERE they are now amongst those that do not pay and until they prove otherwise they can't be trusted. Not only that the word has to be spread. We've seen it all too many times when it comes down to it the people that leave us all high and dry have no friends in this business. They burn their reputation and every relationship for their last score in this biz.

It's important to be responsible when doing this. You have to exhaust the proper channels (email, icq, phone) first before coming to GFY. Once you've done that and sufficient time has passed (ie check isn't lost in the mail) it's important to see if others are experiencing the same thing.

I have a bad feeling that the disappearing act is going to be very trendy in 2011 :disgust
Shap, we have only chatted or emailed a couple times. I have always seen you as very much a professional. I didn't read any of the responses but you are right here. Where I hope you are wrong is that this BS is going to continue more through 2011. Let's hope most of the shit is weeded out now.

jonnydoe 12-14-2010 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 17772928)
For most people that's true. One example to the contrary is WEGCash. Their last payments, albeit late, came through at their expense. They were not paid and made a large loss to take care of their affiliates when they knew they would be closing up shop. Something like that will resonate with someone like me a lot more than someone who closed up and left. And if they ever do release a new affiliate progam, I'd be more than happy to promote them.
WG
good point there

lagcam 12-14-2010 04:58 PM
I think one of the problems (especially in the adult industry) is the lack of easy exit options for people when they realise their business has got away from them either from declining sales or growing too quick.

I have seen many good businesses die (especialy offline) when they shouldn't have done simply because they didn't have enough working capital behind them and were always struggling to get money in quick enough to meet their outgoing commitments...

ladida 12-14-2010 05:34 PM
http://www.gfy.com/17536931-post8.html

He had a lot of such posts. I figured him being an honest person. Read the last few threads, its as if
a) someone stole his account
b) he's fucked out of the company so he's mad
c) his life is falling apart and he's taking no hostages.

will76 12-14-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls (Post 17773415)
Challenges don't build character they reveal them. Its easy to be the top notch guy when times are good. Take a second look around.
funny i just said the same thing in an email:

" I look at it as you either have integrity or you don't. It's not a luxury
that you can have when things are going great and its convenient for you.
It shows when things get tough. "

Agent 488 12-14-2010 05:40 PM
deeds not words.

Ethersync 12-14-2010 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladida (Post 17773956)
http://www.gfy.com/17536931-post8.html

He had a lot of such posts. I figured him being an honest person. Read the last few threads, its as if
a) someone stole his account
b) he's fucked out of the company so he's mad
c) his life is falling apart and he's taking no hostages.
...or his "good guy" board persona was a total fabrication this whole time and only now is everyone seeing his true colors :2 cents:

ladida 12-14-2010 07:06 PM
I dunno. Have not seen anything bad about them ever, and they've been online for a long time. I don't just take into account someone's posts, but his actions. But i've been "dissapointed" by so many honest guys in last 2 years that yea, you can't really know anyone online.


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