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I think he's holding rebills for those outdated sites.

Bullshit, you simply choose not to email affiliates when you delete their account and give them some explanation. You don't respond to any affiliate inquiries when they email you as to why they can't login, you just hope they go away. Its a completely unprofessional way of doing business.

So you delete an account because of something as silly as an affiliate not updating their links, you don't inform them that you're doing it or why, you don't allow them to login and you keep whatever earnings they have and you expect us to believe its just business as usual?

It didn't effect me. While I do have an account with you (and surprisingly it's still active), nearly a decade ago your staff quit approving my sites for the linked list and never told me why when I inquired. That gave me a bad vibe so I left and used other AVS systems instead. I did quite well with them too until I quit that model. One still sends me nice checks and so I wrote a message two weeks ago here thanking them for their honesty and encouraging people to do business with them. I remember most people used to consider you an honest guy as well once...

Some other companies have tried that in the past. Every time it turned into a huge mess for them. A few did the right thing and they are still around. For those that didn't do the right thing it was usually the beginning of the end. As it turned out they only took that route because they were already in trouble...

And what does that mean for Cyberage?

Depends on how long they will need to rely on WMs.

My guess after this is that they don't need new WM's, and will probably not be around much longer.

It's the only explanation when this happens. It's not like we haven't seen it a zillion times already.

The writing is on the wall, as they say.

haha u serious? if someone makes the money, pay them.. using "dead" sites is BS.. u got the sale..

heck im in dozens of mainstream/adult sites.. the original website i used to signup died like 1997, yet i still get paid from these networks.lol

Fiddy requests for proof to avoid the ban hammer

what are you talking about?

Quite the gambit though. Is he sure he'll never need webmasters in the future? I think some plan on getting into mainstream and trying to cloak their identities to hide past transgressions. The problem with that is if you piss someone off enough and they are motivated they are probably going to find out all of your other ventures too. And they'll likely talk. It seems rather stupid to burn all that goodwill over a couple months of payouts.

Dave this is all bulshit and you know it. It shows more about the financial postion of your company not wanting to pay out on a "little" amount of money than some affiliates dead links. Those people you claim you can't contact, they obviously still cashing your checks, send them a notice with their check. Oh wait LOL you stopped sending checks....

Talk about the destruction of a well known well respected company over the years. All this within a week.

It's kinda sad when someone has their meltdown in public.

There's no difference. It's earned money either way.

LOL at the nickname change.

"semi-retired-dave"

Maybe he will semi-pay those who are owed. :1orglaugh

Its been going on for much longer than a week. There's been multiple threads over the last few months by former affiliates wondering why they can no longer login with no explanation and why their emails don't get any response and money owed never comes. Dave suddenly disappeared off the boards then popped back up recently to remove his sig with his sites in it and didn't respond to any of the threads. Seems a few of his bros finally got a hold of him and wondered what was going on so he's back making a last ditch attempt to save some face.

Sad when someone builds up a solid reputation and company name over a decade, then decides when times get tough they are going to try and run over the little guy to help keep the business afloat. I have a feeling though that since Dave has distanced himself from Cyberage and Camsnetwork by removing them from his sig, that he either had a falling out with his partner or has been bought out. Now I see Dave has taken Cyberage out in front of his name and has put "Semi- Retired". Looks like he's going to claim he's not responsible for the improprieties because he's no longer with the company.

It's clearly total bullshit. We have all seen how this script plays out many times.

:1orglaugh

I really doubt he got bought out. My guess is they are going to squeeze all the cash out of the rebills that they can, possibly sell off some pieces at the very end and then ride out into the sunset.

Took the words out of my mouth. :2 cents:

You're probably right, not a lot he could ask for on a buyout for an ancient avs model, failed tube site and white label cam site. I was thinking more along the lines that he didn't want to deal with the affiliates who got screwed over so he just distances himself from Cyberage as if its not his responsibility anymore.

How bout posting a "hey contact us, we cannot contact you" before we take your rebills thread?

Yeah, that's exactly what is happening.

you are still keeping the rebills of these people you cut off, it seems you are doing this on purpose as avs is dead, most people have moved and you assume, won't notice.

Oh I 100% agree.

:1orglaugh

"Shooooot, cant contact ya." "Sorry Bud, you be out of the prog."

And quit making my linklist look bad. :)

I couldnt resist.

This needs a random unrelated youtube clip:

This is pretty much all you need to see from this thread:

19 posts later:

For anyone (not technical enough to already know how to do this) who is not getting paid, locked out of their weblounge, and also feels that they are being treated unfairly and has exhausted all means to resolve the situation here is an .htaccess file which you should be able to place in the protected (where the content actually is, not the join page) directory. All requests within this directory from Cyberage domains will be rewritten to the domain and url specified (you need to change that part).

Change "http://www.DOMAIN.com/chargeback.html" to where ever you'd like them to go. I suggest either forwarding them to another AVS which will actually pay you or perhaps setting up a file advising the customer on how to initiate a chargeback against Cyberage. Of course you'll need to have your server configured for it to work but most virtual hosts already are.

If anyone has IPs or User Agents for the bots cyberage uses to check sites, let me know and I can whitelist them so they'll think the sites are still up. :thumbsup

Just make sure you really want to do this and all other options have been exhausted
Test it to make sure it works. If not simply remove the file (.htaccess) to reverse it. Back up any existing .htaccess file in case you need it.

Seriously, the guy sounds like a crazy person. He's given so many contradictory statements, I just dont appreciate seeing hard working webmasters getting fucked out of money they've earned, particularly from a program that has done seemingly well on the backs of those same webmasters. What the fuck is that.

He is definitely having some serious problems on his end. He stops posting here about 2 months ago out of the blue. He posts several times a day then boom nothing for 2 months. During that time lots of posts are made asking for payment. He is not replying to emails sent to him. HOWEVER he logs into GFY to change his sig and remove all of his company sites.

Then he pops up finally after Dean contacts him and he gives some bullshit about semi-retiring. I guess semi-retiring is like a tube site that is "tube site that is not like a tube site". He goes on and on about family and spending time with kids then he spends all day here pissing and fighting with people. He says his partner decided not to pay some affiliates, then he says all affiliate are paid, then he makes excuses why affiliates wont be paid. Now he changes his nick away from his company name. The guy is acting like he is about to have a melt down but telling you how great his restaurant and other offline businesses are making millions and Cyberage is still doing great blah blah... he is obviously having serious problems on his end and trying to spin it / sell it here any way he can so he can try to save face.

Will is on target, Dave bragged a bit so people come down on that. Look at how people still rag Sleazy.

this is something i dont need right now, new drama

is this just one big bad publicity stunt?

Not paying people because their sites aren't updated is the biggest crock of bullshit I've ever heard. I've heard a lot of lame excuses in my day but that fucking beats everything.