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baddog 12-17-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17781891)
VMAX is just a pig. Why would anybody buy one of those? If you want a Bike that goes really fast, get a sportbike. I don't get it.

Are you confusing Vmax with Vrod?

WarChild 12-17-2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17781926)
Are you confusing Vmax with Vrod?

No. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to get such a big sluggy bike if your primary interest is in power, speed, etc. Especially given that any of the litre class sportbikes will accelerate faster, brake harder, handle better and have a higher top speed. You've got to remember that the VMAX comes in at some 650+ pounds compared the 450ish of a sportbike.

I guess I just don't see the point in trying to make a cruiser a sportbike. That's just me though.

st0ned 12-17-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CPA37710T (Post 17781800)
hey st0ned i love your rides, i got a chrysler 300 so i'd love to match it with a bike just like on that pic u got there

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Originally Posted by alias (Post 17781901)
Nice blacked out bike.

Thanks! :thumbsup

dyna mo 12-17-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17781926)
Are you confusing Vmax with Vrod?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

oh that's funny. sad, but funny.

i did ride the new vmax at last year's long beach motorcycle show, it's a beast!

WarChild 12-17-2010 04:38 PM

I'vw got to admit that as I get older I am becoming more and more of a fan of naked bikes. I never used to like them at all.

Strangely enough I pretty much just stopped riding again. Sold my bike even at the end of the Summer. Not sure why I didn't get out on it much anymore. Used to love riding. I guess it's just fallen lower in my priorities. Well that and having only a few months of weather where it's actually enjoyable to ride each year.

I'm sure I'll get another bike someday and probably even stop picking sportbikes and go with some sort of a cruiser myself.

Maybe I'm just missing the point of the VMAX. I did check out a 2009 when I was last in the show room and I have to admit it sure looked nice.

baddog 12-17-2010 04:41 PM

I don't know how you can consider a 200 hp bike sluggish, especially for a beginner.

dyna mo 12-17-2010 04:42 PM

i love naked bikes! i've owned several. been dreaming of picking up a used r1, the new one, and stripping all the shit off, customize it to my idea of a naked. totally stripped down with that sick motor and some trick bits...w00ty!

VladS 12-17-2010 04:42 PM

Hayabusa's are big bikes, forget about those. Get a bike to learn on, say max 250cc, but i'd recommend 125cc. Keep it for a few months, learn the basics, move on to a 600cc bike, keep it for at least a year, after that you can start thinking what bike to get. Good luck.

WarChild 12-17-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17781960)
I don't know how you can consider a 200 hp bike sluggish, especially for a beginner.

No you've got me all wrong. Obviously it's too much bike for a beginer.

I'm just saying that I don't quite get the appeal of having all that power in a bike that's not ideally suited for using it.

When I say sluggish I'm coparing a 650 pound bike to 400 pound bikes, that's all. I guess I'm just kind of an either extreme sort of guy; All comfort or balls to the wall performance. Not too much for the gray area in the middle. Like I said, personal thing.

DateDoc 12-17-2010 04:47 PM

I want one of these....

http://i.imgur.com/9NKOm.jpg

iamtam 12-17-2010 06:13 PM

whatever bike you buy, please sign your organ donor card. it will make someone (or more than one someone) happy some point in the future.

dyna mo 12-17-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by iamtam (Post 17782137)
whatever bike you buy, please sign your organ donor card. it will make someone (or more than one someone) happy some point in the future.

there's always an anti-bike retard who has to chime in with their shitty outlook on life.

scubadiver626 12-17-2010 06:33 PM

I started on a 600 CBR and learned, loved it, painted it, rode it into the ground sold it.

Now I own the green Ninja posted earlier. 250 is all I need in a remote beach home.

Get the 600+ imo if youre in a resonably safe urban environment.

Def. keep the fear and don;t get too comfortable. Thats when accident happen.

Grapesoda 12-17-2010 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17781189)
No Harley is very "sporty". Either go for a cruiser or a Sportbike. Don't fuck around in the middle.

If it's your first bike here's just a couple of suggestions to get started on.

In the Sportsbike arena look at the CBR125RR and Ninja250. Yes they're on the small side but they're cheap and light. Don't be too afraid of the low ccs .. the 250 will spank most 600cc cruisers. If you think you can exercise the required restraint, i.e. you're emotionally and mentally mature enough, then you might consider going as large as say a Honda CBR600 f4i. They're plentifull, reliable and cheap. And they'll bitch slap a Harley.

In the Cruiser arena I'd like at the 500CC Kawasaki Vulcan, 600CC Honda Shadow and 650CC Yamaha V star.

Don't spend a lot of money on your first bike. It's often said that it's not if you'll drop your first bike but rather when.

Good luck!

I would go with a harley sportster just for the resale value

dyna mo 12-17-2010 06:56 PM

i'm not so sure i agree with the riding in fear advice. it's more about confidence of skills and awareness.

baddog 12-17-2010 07:23 PM

I ride with my eyes closed because it is so scary out there.

CamTraffic 12-17-2010 07:28 PM

start with a 125cc
Don't get a fast bike if you have no experience, or this is what will (probably) happen:
http://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/wor...le-crash-2.jpg :Oh crap

Honda shadows are actually great bikes to learn on:
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl...oq=&gs_rf ai=

this is what i want next:
http://i.imgur.com/4RRKM.jpg

get used to the road, the danger comes mostly from other people ( driving cars)
i would give it 6 month then get a bigger one
:2 cents:
Good luck

baddog 12-17-2010 08:38 PM

These are cooler than any rice grinder, inexpensive and an easy bike for a beginner.


http://juliablue.com/xmas_3236_tn.jpg



http://juliablue.com/xmas_3234_tn.jpg

candyflip 12-19-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 17781769)
To be serious for a sec --

That's my first bike too - I bought it used, had a CBR600 dual disc front end.

One of mine too. Sold it for an RC51 that my ex ended up with. I'm gona try and find another this spring.

Great bike for anyone who likes to ride. Beginners included.

scubadiver626 12-19-2010 01:33 PM

Ya practice, hone your skills, I totally agree. what I mean by don't get too comfortable.

Careful of the little old lady abruptly changing lanes or the semi spitting huge trunks of tire treads. Be aware of whos around you and don't sit next to vehicles.

Leave the bike in gear at lights and space between cars so you don't get sandwhiched ny a drunk driver.

Slow down for EVERY intersection.

It could save your life by not getting too comfy while riding. As in life hope for the best but expect the worst and be prepared. I've seen / been aqaunted with 1 dead riders and another confined to a wheelchair for life. Both involved alcohol and speeding down residential streets.

Cars simply pulled out in front of them at intersections... and boom. they were both teens.

baddog 12-19-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scubadiver626 (Post 17784689)

Leave the bike in gear at lights

Who gave you that advice?

MaDalton 12-19-2010 01:50 PM

the vmax was the bike of my wet teenage dreams - although i kind of remember the first one looked a bit smaller than the actual one

but i always ended up driving enduros and since i never did really long trips i found them perfect for me

scubadiver626 12-19-2010 01:55 PM

It's been so long I forget. But I often catch myself in neutral, breaking my own rule. Then again if it's a weekend party night i'm more aware of what's pulling up behind me.

Ya im pretty much a worry wart rider. 2 young kids that want bikes doesnt help.

baddog 12-19-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scubadiver626 (Post 17784716)
It's been so long I forget. But I often catch myself in neutral, breaking my own rule.

Your "rule" is as wrong as can be. :2 cents:

Adultlexicon 12-19-2010 03:18 PM

Me and my GF own a buell xb 9 sx great handling not too much power but enough to have a great time and a v-twin sound, they probaly don't cost shit in the UShttp://www.i-worx.nl/gar/buell.jpg




i also love this bike but its about 50K US dollars
http://www.motogpromagna.com/images/...ter_strada.jpg

Adultlexicon 12-19-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17782312)
These are cooler than any rice grinder, inexpensive and an easy bike for a beginner.


http://juliablue.com/xmas_3236_tn.jpg



http://juliablue.com/xmas_3234_tn.jpg

A friend of me bought one in Cambodia and drove it all the way back to the Netherlands something like 10.000 miles, but these thing are pieces of crap, only ment for cheap transportation.

baddog 12-19-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Adultlexicon (Post 17784888)
A friend of me bought one in Cambodia and drove it all the way back to the Netherlands something like 10.000 miles, but these thing are pieces of crap, only ment for cheap transportation.

The bikes are extremely inexpensive and it made it from Cambodia to NL. How many times did it break down?

klinton 12-19-2010 03:42 PM

royal enfield= king, but it's not sportsbike :-P

http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimag...88/CG%2013.JPG

dyna mo 12-19-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 17784920)
royal enfield= king, but it's not sportsbike :-P

http://faimg1.forum-auto.com/mesimag...88/CG%2013.JPG

not a sportbike either.

Adultlexicon 12-19-2010 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17784902)
The bikes are extremely inexpensive and it made it from Cambodia to NL. How many times did it break down?

im not sure but i dont think it broke down at all, he even drove it with his GF on the back.

They are very cheap, getting the bike registered in The Netherlands cost almost as much as the new bike, damn taxes here!

WarChild 12-19-2010 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17784721)
Your "rule" is as wrong as can be. :2 cents:

Curious as to why you think it's wrong? Pretty much every riding school I know of teaches keep it in gear.

Rear foot on back brake, in gear, left foot on ground. If you have to accelerate to avoid a collision you're ready to go.

You once said you though beanie helmets were safer than full face helmets too which is absurd. I'd love to hear how you have this one figured.

jimmy-3-way 12-19-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17784721)
Your "rule" is as wrong as can be. :2 cents:

I agree -- obviously you know better than the MSF since you've been riding since the invention of the motorcycle.

scubadiver626 12-19-2010 09:15 PM

ya, what he said!

baddog 12-19-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17785298)
Curious as to why you think it's wrong? Pretty much every riding school I know of teaches keep it in gear.

Rear foot on back brake, in gear, left foot on ground. If you have to accelerate to avoid a collision you're ready to go.

You once said you though beanie helmets were safer than full face helmets too which is absurd. I'd love to hear how you have this one figured.

I guess I will have to ask my son and goodgirl what they were taught, but my reason is simple.

If you are sitting at a red light in gear, there are many things that can happen that would cause the clutch to engage. Things like cables breaking. I am sure you have heard of a "suicide clutch." That is because it was considered suicide to sit at a red light in gear hoping the clutch did not somehow engage.

I have experienced it and I have seen it happen to others. I remember asking some guy on a bike what time it was while we were stopped at a light. He twisted his arm to look at his watch and lost his grip on the clutch lever. Luckily, there was no cross traffic in the lane he ended up in.

baddog 12-19-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Adultlexicon (Post 17785292)
im not sure but i dont think it broke down at all, he even drove it with his GF on the back.

They are very cheap, getting the bike registered in The Netherlands cost almost as much as the new bike, damn taxes here!

Doesn't sound like a piece of crap to me. :upsidedow I would not mind owning one for cruising along the beach.

WarChild 12-19-2010 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17785338)
I guess I will have to ask my son and goodgirl what they were taught, but my reason is simple.

If you are sitting at a red light in gear, there are many things that can happen that would cause the clutch to engage. Things like cables breaking. I am sure you have heard of a "suicide clutch." That is because it was considered suicide to sit at a red light in gear hoping the clutch did not somehow engage.

I have experienced it and I have seen it happen to others. I remember asking some guy on a bike what time it was while we were stopped at a light. He twisted his arm to look at his watch and lost his grip on the clutch lever. Luckily, there was no cross traffic in the lane he ended up in.

Ahh yes well you see modern brakes will hold the bike and it will just stall if something happens to the clutch. Do modern Harleys not use hydrolic clutches? Don't most modern bikes?

It just makes sense to me. How often do you think people get rearended by inattentive traffic, or involved in a multiple vehicle pile up when someone gets rearended behind them versus how many times clutches fail and bikes shoot out in to insersections? I'm fairly certain one happens more often than the other.

CPA37710T 12-19-2010 09:50 PM

So i ended up getting a 200cc Kawasaki Ninja bike... lets see how it goes, if i die please attend the funeral lol

thanks !

baddog 12-19-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17785346)
Ahh yes well you see modern brakes will hold the bike and it will just stall if something happens to the clutch. Do modern Harleys not use hydrolic clutches? Don't most modern bikes?

It just makes sense to me. How often do you think people get rearended by inattentive traffic, or involved in a multiple vehicle pile up when someone gets rearended behind them versus how many times clutches fail and bikes shoot out in to insersections? I'm fairly certain one happens more often than the other.

To be honest, I do not feel leaving my bike in gear is a very effective way of avoiding being rearended. I think wedging myself between two cars takes care of that quite sufficiently.

How you can watch behind you well enough to be able to determine the car is not going to stop and that you should chance it with cross traffic is beyond me.

dyna mo 12-19-2010 10:29 PM

i always split the lane waiting at a red light. safest spot at the intersection.

baddog 12-19-2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17785396)
i always split the lane waiting at a red light. safest spot at the intersection.

Well, I always do when I can, but there are not always cars in front of me. :upsidedow


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