Shitheads like you that have nothing to contribute, other than trying to start shit is why I stopped posting so much here. You really are a negative fucking person. Always trying to instigate something. Your life must be really really sad that you have nothing better to do. You and Frisky should date, you have so much in common.

All I know is that my Stat Counter and GA are never the same.

Statcounter vs. Google Analytics

Always seems like Statcounter UNIQUE VISITORS numbers are higher, but PAGEVIEWS Google ands Statcounter are usually about the same.

settle down. with the information you gave there was no way to make any realistic judgement. sorry i didn't fall in like to kiss your ass and bash ga.

you are trying to instigate something with the customer who uses ga and complained to you. so look in the mirror before you judge.

merry christmas.

I am calm, and you are a shithead pathetic little man, I see your posts all the time. You are always trying to start shit with anyone. That's because your a miserable person and will be spending xmas alone as usual, probably on GFY trying to pick a fight with someone. Merry christmas to you too

you tried to make a comparison where nothing was disclosed except for the program you are trying to dismiss, and you are trying to dismiss the program because a customer is using it to complain about your traffic.

does not sound scientific, fair or even legit.

i have no beef with you but your methodology is not fair, even misleading.

thanks for taking it personal.

shows how big of a man you are.

It's not personal for me, I'm not trying to dismiss GA, why are you putting words in my mouth? Again, you are a negative shithead little man that does nothing but try to start shit with people. If you don't think my test was fair then do your own fucking test. lol. and for gods sake get off of GFY and get a girlfriend or something.

90% of my buyers use GA and 90% of those realize it loses 10 to 15%. I simply ran tests to confirm this, nothing more nothing less. But of course shithead little men like you try to read more into what it is. Who said someone was complaining? Why are you putting words in my mouth?

whatever dude. you have nothing but personal attacks. hope things turn out better for you in 2011.

I'm not saying GA is 100% accurate just because they are a billion dollar company with the worlds best programmers, I'm saying they are most likely the MOST accurate, especially compared to FREE scripts from some little company.

How do you know what that 15% difference in GA and the scripts involves anyway? Don't you at least think Google knows a bit more than the average script maker? Maybe those scripts aren't subtracting bots and such?

42.5 complaints about ga (50 -15%).

Well, its not wrong per se; its just calculated differently.

I rely on AWstats & GA.

what is wrong with server stats?

GA is well known not to be 100% accurate, and there's a plethora of different reasons for this to happen.

Your best bet is server logs. Or even better, a custom Apache module.

or being creative with mod_perl :)

Google always shows less than I actually have. But it is somewhat accurate in other ways, such as the percentages of where it came or bounce rate.

"accurate" depends on your objective... :winkwink:

lets say, server records 1000 hits, 100 of those hits are bots/crawlers/visitors who weren't able to load the page/etc

1000 is accurate if you are interested in knowing how many "hits" your site received..

900 is accurate if you are interested in knowing how many human "visitors" your site received...

If you are a server admin, "hits" may be more of interest to you...
If you run a business, like some of us here, I would think number of human visitors is more "accurate"...

Even take the bots & crawlers out, GA still misses quite a few hits. For one example, lots of visitors have Javascript turned off, and there's a plethora of other reasons.

The best way to get good & accurate stats is internally, on the server side. That way the hit gets tracked before the page even loads, versus firing off some Javascript to a remote server after the page is already loaded. How you filter & use that data is up to you, but it's the best way to get accurate data.

Awestats always shows a lot more traffic for me than GA.

I don't take either of them as gospel though, I am more concerned with trends as far as whether traffic is increasing or decreasing, what it's doing and where its coming from than I am about getting a perfect head count of visitors.

It would be nice, but I don't think I will be in a position to fix anyone's stats counter anytime soon.

what a thread... :eyecrazy

Hey Choker, one thing to realize too is that a lot more people are running blockers now. Even myself. Addons like No-Script tend to block google analytic's url unless the user specifically sets it to "allow". Peerblock even blocks it by default.

That's why these types of traffic analyzers will never be 100% accurate and people need to have their own statistics on each domain.

Compared to what? Awstat is close to useless in identifying your organic traffic.

We use google analytics and piwik. I had a discussion with Choker before and he was referencing Alexa constantly. GA may not be 100% but Alexa is worse especially for metrics like bounce rate and time on site. Those are 2 areas where quality is measured.

Www.reinvigorate.net

Awesome stats
I already said in my own thread that GA was not accurate

Been playing around in the back-end of Piwik recently, and it seems like an excellent piece of software. I only have two beefs with it:

1.) GeoIP -- Piwik doesn't determine the user's location very well. It wouldn't even determine the correct country many times, let alone city. I had to modify it to run off Maxmind's GeoIP database.

2.) The archiving process is extremely inefficient. I'm not sure why they developed it the way they did. Once I get my feet a little more wet with it, I'll submit some suggestions to the development team over there.

http://www.statbrain.com/ :)

The fact that choker goes into a discussion with complaining customers using ALEXA says it all to me.

The reason choker is investigating is probably because with all the crap traffic being sold through his portal there is a big chance that a xx percentag of it is bot/no ref traffic.

Google will count that differently.

Id say choker needs to analyze his stats, not just look at the total number. I bet a lot of the hits not counted arent counted for a reason.

And seeing his personal attacks in this very thread im glad i dont buy his traffic anymore!

Waiting for his meltdown, 2010 must have been a very bad year for him.

Yes, I see this a lot. I send X amount of traffic to a range of sponsors and those sponsors are pretty spot on to what my script says I sent. But I have been seeing that google stats can be way off. It is frustrating.

As a matter of fact I just did a test buy from Choker and it was 55/60% off. Im blaming google not Choker on this one.

Google is never ever off 50% for me sam.

And that isn't many. Surfing with no java isn't a very pleasant experience these days.

I have always heard that any javascript counter is going to miss 10-20% of your visits. I don't use GA to count traffic but I do use it for other things.

I never was for me in the past but recently it has been. I test my traffic by sending it to sponsors to make sure the script is saying what I sent is what I sent. I send the traffic to different sponsors using different tracking systems. I am never off by more than 15%. But the google stats are wayyyyyyyy off.

You know me I have never fucked anyone, thats not how I do business. So when someone comes and says their google stats are off, much like Choker, I take it seriously.

I have tested and tested again and found the exact same thing choker is talking about.

55% - 60% off is sky high. I've never heard anyone claim GA was that far off. In fact I've rarely seen people claim over 20%. Are you sure GA is that far off? What are your server stats showing?

Server side stats is ALWAYS more acurate than Google Analytics. Period.

ga often hangs when i go to sites, pure speculation but i would guess it gets busy and fails to log many people , along with the fact that the hanging js may affect your sites useability causing your site not to load properly and thus lose visitors

Yup... we reported this on YNOT a couple years ago. Google analytics is innaccurate, end of story.

I believe and trust you sam, just saying its never been off that much fir me.

This is not my traffic, read the thread next time. 2010 was great for me, too bad you can't say the same, what with your banning on gfy and your breakdown with the fake nicks, then after getting on page one of google for a month only to have google find all the spammed posts to your site then putting you on what page 30? Bad year for you that's for sure. And that's not including your failed joke of a site http://oneclicktube.com And the only traffic you ever bought from me was Turkish traffic to feed your trades. Remember that? I do.

The LAJ has spoken :1orglaugh

good point.