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Originally Posted by zormaks
(Post 17801234)
There is no such thing as christian values. There is only a thing called common sense. Christianity has abducted common sense and sold it as its trademark after spreading among people with fire and sword. When christian zealots felt that there is no need any more for force and that people has "the right religion", they changed their conquest behaviour.
But, anyway, let us think what christian values mean in practice. Maybe inquisition, burning stakes for witches, gays and other so called heterics, genocide on Indians, spanish conquistadors...I don`t know. If you speak of that, so called christian values, you can`t forget the history. I am ashamed of that values.
The most important values of western culture came from people that were fed up with chains made by christianity. They threw it off and started with renaissanse, humanism and other philosophies that put a human being in its centre instead of god.
More christianity in our society means less common sense, less development, less human rights. History has proven that. Some Islam countries are great proof what can surplus of religion make in society. And christianity is not any different. It has the same logic, it is the same shit. Give total power to it and you will see that I am right. We would find ourselves in a Middle age again.
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Where do I start breaking down just how wrong you are here? Lets' go with the absolute most basic forms of Sin as described by Christianity, the seven deadly sins..
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Originally Posted by wikipedia
The Seven Deadly Sins, also known as the Capital Vices or Cardinal Sins, is a classification of objectionable vices that has been used since early Christian times to educate and instruct followers concerning fallen humanity's tendency to sin. The final version of the list consists of wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
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Whether you've been raised in the church or otherwise, odds are that you've been raised to consider any number of these characteristics as being "wrong". What you call common sense, is only "common" because it is the same sense that has been pounded into your brain your entire life by a society that has had it ingrained into the for the last 2000 odd years. These are values that have been passed generation to generation in a primarily Christian society.You can see this all the time with people who say shit like "Oh I believe in God but I don't goto church, "i don't believe in God, but at least the religion teaches good things", or in your case "Religion is wrong, but it's based on common sense" ERRR!! Wrong! You are a prime example yourself, aggressively opposing the church, yet spitting the same values it has pressed upon our people.
What is inherently wrong with any of these "Sins"? Greed and envy drive us to success. Taking pride in one's self for achieving through the drive created by greed and envy should be a given, with sloth and gluttony the reaping of one's success. Lust and wrath are completely natural states of being. Christianity strived to weaken the spirit of mankind's natural state, by pitying those below you. If anything pity itself should be a deadly sin for propping up the weak, which would otherwise be done away with via natural selection.
These values have stuck with us for decades, and now they are simply "common" in our society. If you can so quickly drop the belief in God, why can't you overcome the moral structure which his church has put in place? Or at least commit yourses to taking some time to stop and think critically on the issue. If you can't do so yourself, you have done nothing to separate yourself from the teachings of the church, only denounced it's god.
If you think the morals that you hold are natural or common, you are wrong. They are simply the impression of your environment on your mind. An environment that was heavily shaped by the Christian faith. If you want to share some of those morals there is no problem with that, but be sure they are your own. Don't just agree with what you call "common sense" because it seems the thing to do. Doing so ensures that all you'll ever be, is exactly what the church wanted you to be in the first place. Weak and complacent.
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Originally Posted by 12clicks
(Post 17801550)
And the idiots continue to sign up and post nonsense
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Be thankful for idiots. If it weren't for idiots, you wouldn't have anything to strive to be better than.
