There is no such thing as christian values. There is only a thing called common sense. Christianity has abducted common sense and sold it as its trademark after spreading among people with fire and sword. When christian zealots felt that there is no need any more for force and that people has "the right religion", they changed their conquest behaviour.

But, anyway, let us think what christian values mean in practice. Maybe inquisition, burning stakes for witches, gays and other so called heterics, genocide on Indians, spanish conquistadors...I don`t know. If you speak of that, so called christian values, you can`t forget the history. I am ashamed of that values.

The most important values of western culture came from people that were fed up with chains made by christianity. They threw it off and started with renaissanse, humanism and other philosophies that put a human being in its centre instead of god.

More christianity in our society means less common sense, less development, less human rights. History has proven that. Some Islam countries are great proof what can surplus of religion make in society. And christianity is not any different. It has the same logic, it is the same shit. Give total power to it and you will see that I am right. We would find ourselves in a Middle age again.

Jesus is one cool motherfucker . . . .

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Great read. There really isn't any way to sum it up any better than that.

And the idiots continue to sign up and post nonsense

A couple of inaccuracies I could point out in his post, and one might point out the difference between god and God, but arguing with someone on either side is pointless, no one is going to convert the other.

I pretty much came in just to say hello to you, Hank. I hope you and your family had a great Christmas and have an enjoyable 2011.

Funny, I rarely come across them here either.

Have a safe 2011, DWB

Those are the best pics of this thread:thumbsup Great find:thumbsup



ADG Great post and a very well written blog post.


And thank you for this book.

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Just watched that recently again, loved the book and the movie

Thanks, but I didn't find them, I shot them.

WoW!! Thats even better. Great pics, good subject material too.

I lived around the corner from where those were shot. Lived in Hollywood for 7 years.

Detroit st./Sunset Blvd

Where do I start breaking down just how wrong you are here? Lets' go with the absolute most basic forms of Sin as described by Christianity, the seven deadly sins..

Whether you've been raised in the church or otherwise, odds are that you've been raised to consider any number of these characteristics as being "wrong". What you call common sense, is only "common" because it is the same sense that has been pounded into your brain your entire life by a society that has had it ingrained into the for the last 2000 odd years. These are values that have been passed generation to generation in a primarily Christian society.You can see this all the time with people who say shit like "Oh I believe in God but I don't goto church, "i don't believe in God, but at least the religion teaches good things", or in your case "Religion is wrong, but it's based on common sense" ERRR!! Wrong! You are a prime example yourself, aggressively opposing the church, yet spitting the same values it has pressed upon our people.

What is inherently wrong with any of these "Sins"? Greed and envy drive us to success. Taking pride in one's self for achieving through the drive created by greed and envy should be a given, with sloth and gluttony the reaping of one's success. Lust and wrath are completely natural states of being. Christianity strived to weaken the spirit of mankind's natural state, by pitying those below you. If anything pity itself should be a deadly sin for propping up the weak, which would otherwise be done away with via natural selection.

These values have stuck with us for decades, and now they are simply "common" in our society. If you can so quickly drop the belief in God, why can't you overcome the moral structure which his church has put in place? Or at least commit yourses to taking some time to stop and think critically on the issue. If you can't do so yourself, you have done nothing to separate yourself from the teachings of the church, only denounced it's god.

If you think the morals that you hold are natural or common, you are wrong. They are simply the impression of your environment on your mind. An environment that was heavily shaped by the Christian faith. If you want to share some of those morals there is no problem with that, but be sure they are your own. Don't just agree with what you call "common sense" because it seems the thing to do. Doing so ensures that all you'll ever be, is exactly what the church wanted you to be in the first place. Weak and complacent.

Be thankful for idiots. If it weren't for idiots, you wouldn't have anything to strive to be better than.

same here...kinda off

It takes no effort to excel beyond an idiot. There only use is to point at them as you explain to your children what mistakes not to make.

If there were no idiots, there would be no excellence either. We need idiots, if for nothing else, something to laugh at.

Christianity? Really? I guess not. What happened with "christian values" in Middle age? These sins are just a copy from other, older religions. Acording to you it looks like christianity invented human kindness, lol. That is really complacent, isn`t it?

But, anyway look at different religions. All religions are mady by humans (and usually guided by men) and basically, they all teach the same. And that is a proof that we have a common sense embedded otherwise we could not make religions with same contexts and invented god.

So, I do not need to be a christian to know that it is not good to kill others or to take their property, or to fornicate, to be greedy and so on....Religion just use that to sell itself to people and to gain new believers. More believers mean more power, more money and more influence.

Of course, you must also consider historical contexts. Today, mankind doesn`t live in same conditions as 1000 or 2000 years ago. We developed. Thanks to science. Not religion. More you go back in time more you would see the rising power of christianity. If there hadn`t been a Middle age and christian dictatorship for one thousand years, today, you and me, might be on Mars, drinking coffee from replicator and enjoying view at Olympus Mons. But, now mankind have to wait few hundred years to do that. And you and me will be two feet under by that time. For our time, having a porn tube is a sign of big progress though, isn`t it?

Thank you for having me as an idiot. Atheists are so much to be pitied, aren`t they? What just happened with your christian values? How come you first called names and not me, idiotic atheist without values to know of?

An angry atheist who's happy to live blindly restricted by christian moral. You're an insult to atheism at it's purest...

funny how there is even discussion about this. anyone that believes that there is a god who created the world or that god even exists is just plain retarded...

hahahaha! good one - kudos to you - and who ever said it first (double kudos to you if you said it first)



God and Jezus and all that shit is make believe as FUCK just like Santa and everyone knows it down deep - Meta Man - if you're a jezus freak then stake your claim to your faith instead of pussy footing around the issue...

Thank you, but you even don`t know what atheism means. Haven`t you talk about that with your mind-owners, oh, I mean, clergy. Stick to your church and priests and let them think for you although I don`t believe they are better...

You sir, are dumb as fucking nails. :2 cents:

Naw, real atheists don't. It's always been my opinion that people who crow about atheism are trying to convince themselves most of all.

This entire tread is meaningless.