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Agent 488 01-04-2011 09:00 AM

50 links pulled.

Shap 01-04-2011 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17818994)
Honestly, I don't like CCBill as an alternative either. Too close connections to Mallick.

Without a doubt the most retarded comment I've ever seen on gfy and that's saying a lot

TheDA 01-04-2011 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17819134)
Without a doubt the most retarded comment I've ever seen on gfy and that's saying a lot

:2 cents: .

Zyber 01-04-2011 09:12 AM

Shap, you are a clever guy but why do you attack me for saying the truth?

Are you denying that CCBill has connections to Mallick?
Are you denying that CCBill's owner is close friends with Mallick?
Are you denying that Middle Men used CCBill's corporate address as their company address?
Are you denying that the CCBill jet was used in Middle Men?
Are you denying that CCBill's owner had a role in the movie as a cab-driver?

Let's be honest here. You process a lot of sales through CCBill and like them for that. That is understandable, but twisting the truth is never nice.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

TheDA 01-04-2011 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819119)
Bigtymer, I don't know about you, but I'm going to Sweden tomorrow.

It is not the first time that these guys have been reported to the police. They are well-known for fraud. Already in 2008 they had a business of sending 100.000's of bogus invoices to companies.
http://www.cint.se/debatt/ShowPostFl...73&PageIndex=1

http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.111...r-bluffakturor

Sorry the links are in Swedish.

It is run by the two Thörnblad brothers.

Most probably we will never see our money again, but I am dedicated to make their life Hell. If Assange can go on Interpol's list, so can Martin and Jesper!

When did you dig this up about them? Before or after you started using them? Did you stop using them when you found out?

kowalsky 01-04-2011 09:21 AM

Anyone has got a wire from Zombaio? When are they saying that the wire will be sent?

Zyber 01-04-2011 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDA (Post 17819176)
When did you dig this up about them? Before or after you started using them? Did you stop using them when you found out?

I digged this out today.

My initial due diligence wasn't good enough.

TheDA 01-04-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819191)
I digged this out today.

My initial due diligence wasn't good enough.

Oops, obviously not, considering it's been known about for a while!

Zyber 01-04-2011 09:30 AM

Has it been known in the adult community?

Sid70 01-04-2011 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17819077)
Guys relax. They said they resolved the problem and that the money is on it's way.

in motion?

CHARGER 01-04-2011 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819119)
Bigtymer, I don't know about you, but I'm going to Sweden tomorrow.

It is not the first time that these guys have been reported to the police. They are well-known for fraud. Already in 2008 they had a business of sending 100.000's of bogus invoices to companies.
http://www.cint.se/debatt/ShowPostFl...73&PageIndex=1

http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.111...r-bluffakturor

Sorry the links are in Swedish.

It is run by the two Thörnblad brothers.

Most probably we will never see our money again, but I am dedicated to make their life Hell. If Assange can go on Interpol's list, so can Martin and Jesper!



This doesnt looks good :error:error:error:error

signupdamnit 01-04-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819119)
Bigtymer, I don't know about you, but I'm going to Sweden tomorrow.

It is not the first time that these guys have been reported to the police. They are well-known for fraud. Already in 2008 they had a business of sending 100.000's of bogus invoices to companies.
http://www.cint.se/debatt/ShowPostFl...73&PageIndex=1

http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.111...r-bluffakturor

Sorry the links are in Swedish.

It is run by the two Thörnblad brothers.

Most probably we will never see our money again, but I am dedicated to make their life Hell. If Assange can go on Interpol's list, so can Martin and Jesper!

Oh shit. :disgust I haven't verified this but if it's actually true then it changes everything. To avoid getting burned over and over again I think we all need to start looking at the character of the people we are doing business with more.

Now about CCBill everything I saw indicated it was personal. Given CCBill's extensive positive history and professionalism I'll give them the benefit of the doubt unless I see a good reason not to do so.

BIGTYMER 01-04-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819119)
Bigtymer, I don't know about you, but I'm going to Sweden tomorrow.

It is not the first time that these guys have been reported to the police. They are well-known for fraud. Already in 2008 they had a business of sending 100.000's of bogus invoices to companies.
http://www.cint.se/debatt/ShowPostFl...73&PageIndex=1

http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.111...r-bluffakturor

Sorry the links are in Swedish.

It is run by the two Thörnblad brothers.

Most probably we will never see our money again, but I am dedicated to make their life Hell. If Assange can go on Interpol's list, so can Martin and Jesper!

Who says the Thörnblad brothers own Zombaio?

CHARGER 01-04-2011 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17819298)
Who says the Thörnblad brothers own Zombaio?

come on dont you know how to read Swedish??

Zyber 01-04-2011 10:09 AM

http://hallandsposten.se/nyheter/hal...-13-8-miljoner
Quote:

Åtalas för fakturabluff på 13,8 miljoner
Halmstad På nätterna arbetade 29-åringen med säkerhet och att förhindra bedrägerier. På dagarna vände han på steken och skickade bluffakturor för 13,8 miljoner kronor.

Den 29-årige Halmstadbon misstänks ha organiserat en av förra årets största fakturabluffar. När 9 000 företagare runt om i landet nåddes av fakturor för kopieringspapper gick telefonerna glödheta på branschorganisationen Svensk Handel kontor.

Halmstadbons företag papperslagret.se riktade falska krav på sammanlagt 13,8 miljoner kronor till företagarna. 611 av dem gick omedelbart till polisen och anmälde bedrägeriförsöket.

Innan polisen blev varse och banken hann underrättas och alla hann slå till bromsarna hade Halmstadbon fått in drygt 160 000 kronor på sitt konto.

På fredagen åtalades 29-åringen för försök till grovt bedrägeri. Han nekar till att ha haft något som helst med fakturorna att göra. Han säger i polisförhören att någon kapat hans hemsida. Mannen har tidigare bland annat arbetat med att övervaka pokersidor på internet, för att hindra att de utsätts för bedrägerier.

När han stötte på ett billigt parti kopieringspapper tänkte han köpa det och sälja det något dyrare och ordnade därför med hemsidan papperslagret.se.

Men ekobrottsutredarna kan visa att 29-åringen själv varit aktiv i flera av de led som var nödvändiga för att iscensätta fakturabluffen. De kan bland annat visa vid den kommande rättegången att han själv köpte ett adressregister som sedan låg till grund för vilka som fick ta emot de falska fakturorna.

Ekobrottsutredarnas arbete visar dessutom att 29-åringens affärsidé inte håller måttet. Enbart om man inte levererar något papper skulle företaget kunna generera ett positivt resultat.
TRANSLATION INTO ENGLISH
Quote:

Charged with invoice fraud worth 13.8 million (2.07M USD)
Halmstad - At the night the 29-year-old worked with security and to prevent fraud. In the day he turned 180 degrees and sent fake invoices worth 13.8 million.

The 29-year-old Halmstad resident is suspected for having organized one of the previous year's biggest invoice scams. When 9000 companies nation-wide received invoices for copy paper the phones turned hot at the office for the industry organisation Swedish Trade.

The Halmstand resident's operation papperslagret.se sent false claims totalling 13.8 million SKK to the companies. 611 of these recipients went straight to the police and filed report against him for fraud attempt.

Before the police was warned and the bank notified to halt the transactions, the Halmstad resident had already received 160,000 SKK on his bank account.

On Friday the 29-year-old was charged with attempt of severe fraud. He denies having anything to do with the invoices. At the police interrogation he claimed that someone hijacked his website. The man has previously worked with supervising poker sites on the internet, to protect them from fraud.

When he saw a cheap batch of copy paper he though of buying it and selling it slightly more expensive, thus he created the website papperslagret.se ("the paper stock")

But the financal crime forensics can prove that the 29-year-old has been active himself in many of the various layers which where necessary to orchestrate the invoice scam. At the coming trial it can be shown that he bought a list of addresses, which was later used as the basis to select who were to receive the fake invoices.

The financial crime investigator's work also shows that the 29-year-old's business plan is not good enough. Only if you don't deliver any paper, the company could generate a positive result.

Zyber 01-04-2011 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17819298)
Who says the Thörnblad brothers own Zombaio?

Actually it looks like it is only one of the brothers Martin Gustav (not Jesper Martin) and then Karl David Jönis Venngren
http://www.ratsit.se/5567390165

Here is one company which was owned by both brothers
http://www.ratsit.se/9697168830

I remember seeing Jesper Thornblad in early whois records for Zombaio related domains.

These people are all connected, and now they have decided to run with our money! :mad:

Zombies in motion!

hypedough 01-04-2011 10:26 AM

We haven't been paid yet, either. This is getting ridiculous.

BIGTYMER 01-04-2011 10:34 AM

I'll say it again:

WE WILL GET PAID

CHARGER 01-04-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819360)
Actually it looks like it is only one of the brothers Martin Gustav (not Jesper Martin) and then Karl David Jönis Venngren
http://www.ratsit.se/5567390165

Here is one company which was owned by both brothers
http://www.ratsit.se/9697168830

I remember seeing Jesper Thornblad in early whois records for Zombaio related domains.

These people are all connected, and now they have decided to run with our money! :mad:

Zombies in motion!


well well

BIGTYMER 01-04-2011 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHARGER (Post 17819405)
well well

It doesn't really matter. This isn't an honest industry.

BIGTYMER 01-04-2011 10:41 AM

We will get paid. They are only 7 days late on one payment and 1 day on the other payment. Its not like we haven't been paid in weeks.

I write support and they reply. They are still there. They didn't take our money and run.

CHARGER 01-04-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17819413)
It doesn't really matter. This isn't an honest industry.



true true as everybody said before GIVE EM A CHANCE


idiots



Pimp out

BIGTYMER 01-04-2011 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHARGER (Post 17819428)
true true as everybody said before GIVE EM A CHANCE


idiots



Pimp out

I never had one single problem with them up until this late payment issue.

They are still processing credit cards which means they didn't lose their merchant account. I suspect they were fined or they ran into some problems with their bank. They obviously had some problems and they fixed it or are working on fixing it.

I'm not panicking. But I don't have nearly as much money as you at risk.

TheDA 01-04-2011 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17819427)
We will get paid. They are only 7 days late on one payment and 1 day on the other payment. Its not like we haven't been paid in weeks.

I write support and they reply. They are still there. They didn't take our money and run.

You sound very confident. Good for you :)

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 11:16 AM

This thread is so wrong so I just must go in end reply here. ZOMBAIO is NOT owned by any thornblad brothers, the person Jesper Thornblas is confirmed working on our support department, nothing else!

Zombaio is owned and operated by the Group Samport and Cawen which is a 50+ man company located at Linjegatan 5, in Halmstad Sweden. If anyone wants to visit, you are welcome!

Payments are confirmed and should be visible on your accounts during this week, not later!

hypedough 01-04-2011 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819534)
This thread is so wrong so I just must go in end reply here. ZOMBAIO is NOT owned by any thornblad brothers, the person Jesper Thornblas is confirmed working on our support department, nothing else!

Zombaio is owned and operated by the Group Samport and Cawen which is a 50+ man company located at Linjegatan 5, in Halmstad Sweden. If anyone wants to visit, you are welcome!

Payments are confirmed and should be visible on your accounts during this week, not later!


Still nothing in my account Tomas. You act like payments have been distributed but no one is reporting successful wires, we're in a business where we're expecting to be fucked and every step of the way I've felt like I'm being scammed. I don't understand why it's taking this long for wires that were supposed to be sent on the 22nd. It's the 4th and we're still looking for real answers.

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypedough (Post 17819582)
Still nothing in my account Tomas. You act like payments have been distributed but no one is reporting successful wires, we're in a business where we're expecting to be fucked and every step of the way I've felt like I'm being scammed. I don't understand why it's taking this long for wires that were supposed to be sent on the 22nd. It's the 4th and we're still looking for real answers.

If there is anything I can answer that I have messed and is not troll questions, please let me know. If you call your banks, they should be able to see the payments on route if you give them the amount from ZOA (and if they are a bit helpful).

If I could do anything to make the transfers go faster, trust me, I would!

kowalsky 01-04-2011 11:32 AM

Thank you Tomas for bringing light to this thread.

Deputy Chief Command 01-04-2011 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819589)
If there is anything I can answer that I have messed and is not troll questions, please let me know. If you call your banks, they should be able to see the payments on route if you give them the amount from ZOA (and if they are a bit helpful).

If I could do anything to make the transfers go faster, trust me, I would!

what ? you calling people concerned after not getting payment for almost 10 days trolls ? ? what the fuck is wrong with you ? you are the one fucking up not the people asking WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON ! ,

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command (Post 17819652)
what ? you calling people concerned after not getting payment for almost 10 days trolls ? ? what the fuck is wrong with you ? you are the one fucking up not the people asking WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON ! ,

No im not calling concerned people trolls! But many of the people posting is not even clients or affiliated with us in any way. There are also one person who say that we should pay now that has his first scheduled payment the 10th of January, that is trolling.

Jack Sparrow 01-04-2011 12:00 PM

I believe tomas.
Tomas hit me up on icq, i have something to discuss with you in private (not about trolling or payments or alike).

Deputy Chief Command 01-04-2011 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819681)
No im not calling concerned people trolls! But many of the people posting is not even clients or affiliated with us in any way. There are also one person who say that we should pay now that has his first scheduled payment the 10th of January, that is trolling.

so a person concerned with you not being able to pay when his payment is due because of the current problems and wanting it now before you possible go out of biz is a troll ?

also a potential customer who is doing due dillegence, / commenting on the current affairs is a troll ??

really ?

hypedough 01-04-2011 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819589)
If there is anything I can answer that I have messed and is not troll questions, please let me know. If you call your banks, they should be able to see the payments on route if you give them the amount from ZOA (and if they are a bit helpful).

If I could do anything to make the transfers go faster, trust me, I would!

Usually when my payments were en route, they showed up on my online banking system. We even got payments days earlier than the ZOA said, so it's disheartening that it takes this long for wires and that we still have to pay part of the fees. This was holiday money, and making people pay for their late payments is ridiculous.

Robbie 01-04-2011 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command (Post 17819697)
so a person concerned with you not being able to pay when his payment is due because of the current problems and wanting it now before you possible go out of biz is a troll ?

also a potential customer who is doing due dillegence, / commenting on the current affairs is a troll ??

really ?

I didn't see him call anybody a troll. What he said is he would answer all questions with the exception of trolling questions.

That isn't calling his customers trolls. That's YOU trolling. lol

Deputy Chief Command 01-04-2011 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17819728)
I didn't see him call anybody a troll. What he said is he would answer all questions with the exception of trolling questions.

That isn't calling his customers trolls. That's YOU trolling. lol

re read this thread and his replies, he accuses people wanting their money of trolling . bad idea imho

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypedough (Post 17819726)
Usually when my payments were en route, they showed up on my online banking system. We even got payments days earlier than the ZOA said, so it's disheartening that it takes this long for wires and that we still have to pay part of the fees. This was holiday money, and making people pay for their late payments is ridiculous.

You dont have to pay that fee, I sent out a PM yesterday about that we are crediting the fee for all late payments.

hypedough 01-04-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819761)
You dont have to pay that fee, I sent out a PM yesterday about that we are crediting the fee for all late payments.

I was sent a message about a $10 credit for the fee, wires cost us $15 per wire. At this point, as long as we get our money I don't give a shit what the fee is.

Zyber 01-04-2011 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombaio_Tomas (Post 17819534)
This thread is so wrong so I just must go in end reply here. ZOMBAIO is NOT owned by any thornblad brothers, the person Jesper Thornblas is confirmed working on our support department, nothing else!

Zombaio is owned and operated by the Group Samport and Cawen which is a 50+ man company located at Linjegatan 5, in Halmstad Sweden. If anyone wants to visit, you are welcome!

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7...ocopyright.jpg
Zombaio Payment Services, Ltd. IOMS AB and Cawen Financial Group

What is this Cawen Financial Group?
http://www.ratsit.se/5568202245

It was founded on September 20, 2010.
Hm, what was the topic on everyone's lips that month?

And why does this info appear at the bottom of Zombaio join pages?
Quote:

IOMS AB | LINJEGATAN 5 | SE-302 50 HALMSTAD | SWEDEN
+44-20-800 290 06
WHERE IS OUR MONEY?

If the late payments was the only issue I would be more relaxed, but there is also the issue of adding the 5% reserve for funding RedPass, the retroactive rate increase, the strange Rommel fraud case from August (chargeback fees charged TWICE per transaction, and the cardholder was not a client of the cardholder's bank? :warning )
Did the chargeback ever occur, or was it invented by Zombaoi? Either the cardholder's bank is lying, or Zombaio is. Who is it?

I really liked Zombaio before, it was an awesome product, very userfriendly and inituive software and support had always been very helpful. I would not hesitate for a moment to recommend you guys to anyone asking.
But I can not let you simply bait and switch now, and run with my money.

Normal business hours in Sweden start in 12 hours. I am only 20 km away from speaking with Swedish authorities. Please act today, or I do tomorrow.

Are you going to start giving some REAL ANSWERS and some REAL APOLOGIES instead of this bullshitting?

Tomas, Martin, David, John and Jesper, I am being very patient. At least for 12 more hours...

No more games!

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819841)
No more games!

Cawen Financial Group (which was founded 2010) is a part of a new platform (whish was announced via mail to all clients) and owns Samport (http://www.ratsit.se/5566215215) who ownes Zombaio LLC.

IOMS is a MSP for Zombaio (outsourced partner) and has been for a couple of years, this will change now when we release redpass and Cawen will be the financial institution.

Don't call us criminals when we are not! Payments are on route, you will se them this week, WHAT more can I say that will make you more confident?

marktruman 01-04-2011 12:50 PM

Am I the only one who is confident that I will be paid?

AmeliaG 01-04-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819119)
Bigtymer, I don't know about you, but I'm going to Sweden tomorrow.

It is not the first time that these guys have been reported to the police. They are well-known for fraud. Already in 2008 they had a business of sending 100.000's of bogus invoices to companies.
http://www.cint.se/debatt/ShowPostFl...73&PageIndex=1

http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.111...r-bluffakturor

Sorry the links are in Swedish.

It is run by the two Thörnblad brothers.

Most probably we will never see our money again, but I am dedicated to make their life Hell. If Assange can go on Interpol's list, so can Martin and Jesper!


It would be dandy if you could wait until after the 6th, before you make things worse.

I pulled my links days ago, but Zombaio has been nice about things, so I will most likely put them back up, once I am paid the missing wires.

NetHorse 01-04-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marktruman (Post 17819862)
Am I the only one who is confident that I will be paid?

No.
8 char

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 01:10 PM

Zyber, please call your bank and verify the amount. If you are an EU merchant the incoming interpay department should be able to give you a state on the transfer via SWIFT.

lagcam 01-04-2011 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marktruman (Post 17819862)
Am I the only one who is confident that I will be paid?

Nope, I am with you 100%.

My bank has already notified me of the receipt of 6 x MT103 messages from Zombaio's bank (google them if you don't know what they are) and the funds are pending conversion and will be credited to my account today.

Sorry to not add to the drama.

CHARGER 01-04-2011 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 17819695)
I believe tomas.
Tomas hit me up on icq, i have something to discuss with you in private (not about trolling or payments or alike).

about spending a week on paris?


fruit cake

Barefootsies 01-04-2011 08:16 PM

If a single payment processor being 1-7 days late has thrown your entire company into turmoil,.. it's time for you to don the paper hat and make a career change.
:2 cents:

Zyber 01-04-2011 08:21 PM

I'm looking forward to calling my bank when they open.

Getting the funds owed is step 1.

But what about the other issues?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17819841)
If the late payments was the only issue I would be more relaxed, but there is also the issue of adding the 5% reserve for funding RedPass, the retroactive rate increase, the strange Rommel fraud case from August (chargeback fees charged TWICE per transaction, and the cardholder was not a client of the cardholder's bank? :warning )
Did the chargeback ever occur, or was it invented by Zombaio? Either the cardholder's bank is lying, or Zombaio is. Who is it?

That is 3, maybe 4 additional crimes which need to be solved if we are to put this "incident" to rest.

The lack of compensation for all this trouble is also an issue. The time, money and energy spent on chasing Zombaio to get the owed funds. Then comes the time used for information collection, stalking, preparation of evidence, planning escalation steps etc.

Fact is you have my money, and have changed the rules on-the-fly as you saw fit. I will keep fighting until I get all my money - also those mentioned in the quotation.

Play fair. So do I.

Remember it was Zombaio who decided to make these drastic changes with no notice. Not the merchants. :2 cents: What Zombaio did was not what we had agreed upon, neither in the contract.

I would really love to give you the benefit of doubt, but it is hard to ignore that Zombaio's owners have a shady documented past (papperslagret.se).

I just want my money. All of it.

Zombaio_Tomas 01-04-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyber (Post 17820817)
I would really love to give you the benefit of doubt, but it is hard to ignore that Zombaio's owners have a shady documented past .


This is not OK!! I understand that you are upset over late payments but you are in public calling the Zombaio owners criminal. Zombaios owners are not in any way affiliated with anything regarding this you bring up. You have found something about an employee from 2008 that are not even confirmed. See http://www.samport.com/about-us/samport-board

Now when it comes to the chargebacks you are blaiming us for, please post the data you have in public and I will response in public. What is the ARN numbers or transaction IDs for the chargebacks?

CHARGER 01-04-2011 09:01 PM

well that is true you cant be calling criminals people around just like that


just because an internet site said so :2 cents:

cjhmdm 01-04-2011 09:20 PM

Tomas, since you're back and are responding to these issues again, could you please address the following?

1. Rates doubled overnight without any notification whatsoever. Granted, the fees are still lower than the competitors, and I'm not complaining about the fees themselves, but the sudden increase with no notification is an issue for me.

2. Some new 5% holding apparently due to some new policies from Mastercard. But then, we're also being told that the 5% hold back is being used to fund redpass.com, which is umm... stealing? Or is it borrowing without permission since we're getting it back? Point is, it feels more like a loan than a hold back, and they're not paying us interest on said loan. No matter how you look at it, using our funds to pay fund their project is a big no no.

(copy/pasted because I'm lazy)


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