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The Demon 01-07-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17827837)
reagan? isn't that the dude that made the deal with the iranians to get elected?

Yea that's it. I applaud your 1st grade knowledge of US political history.:1orglaugh

Coup 01-07-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827830)
Not if you believe in trickle down Reganomics, which has worked in the past.

the only thing reaganomics is good at is creating a massive wealth division.

kane 01-07-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827830)
Not if you believe in trickle down Reganomics, which has worked in the past.

If it worked so well why did he then have to pass enormous tax increases to overcome the budget shortfalls. Shouldn't all of those tax cuts trickled down and created jobs and increased tax receipts to the point where no new taxes were needed?

The Demon 01-07-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 17827861)
If it worked so well why did he then have to pass enormous tax increases to overcome the budget shortfalls. Shouldn't all of those tax cuts trickled down and created jobs and increased tax receipts to the point where no new taxes were needed?

He uh created more than 16 million jobs dude. Also, the defense spending exceeded the profits made by his economic policies. And finally, I said it worked well in the past, I didn't claim it worked miracles.

Coup 01-07-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827885)
He uh created more than 16 million jobs dude. Also, the defense spending exceeded the profits made by his economic policies. And finally, I said it worked well in the past, I didn't claim it worked miracles.

too bad he royally sucked at job creation, or he could've created more
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Another myth is that Reagan was one of the best Presidents for job creation. In reality, he's among the worst:

Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents8

Johnson 3.8%
Carter 3.1
Clinton 2.4
Kennedy 2.3
Nixon 2.3
Reagan 2.1
Bush 0.6
The following statistics shed light on this surprising finding:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/6Economy.htm

tony286 01-07-2011 03:53 PM

So vend when they raisr what u have to pay for tricare you will be ok with that? Because i heard thats part of the plan. I love when people say barry is anticapitalist when the rich are having a banner yr. Also something to think about clinton raised taxes 22 mil jobs created.

The Demon 01-07-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17827893)
too bad he royally sucked at job creation, or he could've created more

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/6Economy.htm

How hilariously misleading your numbers are. The link was definitely humorous. The only president to create more jobs was Clinton but yea, Reagan really sucked ROFL.

kane 01-07-2011 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827885)
He uh created more than 16 million jobs dude. Also, the defense spending exceeded the profits made by his economic policies. And finally, I said it worked well in the past, I didn't claim it worked miracles.

So lets look at the job creation.

In Reagan's first term he created 5.3 million jobs. His second term saw 10.8 million. So he created about 16.1 million jobs. Not bad. But if you look at Jimmy Carter who I think most people will agree was a pretty poor president you will find that Carter created 10.3 million jobs during his one and only term. That means Reagan's best term with all of his policies running full steam ahead only created slightly more jobs than did Carter.

If you look at Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr and you combine all of the numbers you get 20 years worth of trickle down economics. Combined they created 19.8 million jobs. That is less than Clinton who created 22.7 million.

Sure, you can argue that defense spending exceeded the profits made by the tax cuts, but that is simply a justification for what ails this country across the board no matter who is in charge. They all spend money like crazy. The republicans tend to spend it on defense and use fear as a rationalization for their spending. The democrats tend to spend it on entitlement programs and use guilt to rationalize their spending.

What I am getting at is that there is no real evidence that trickle down economics works any better for job creation than any other system. It seems like any system, if it were combined with actually spending controls, would most likely work because I feel our economy tends to do its own thing regardless of the government's tax policies.

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17827896)
So vend when they raisr what u have to pay for tricare you will be ok with that? Because i heard thats part of the plan. I love when people say barry is anticapitalist when the rich are having a banner yr. Also something to think about clinton raised taxes 22 mil jobs created.

In the last 4 years of democrat control ,under Pelosi , we have not done very well, wouldn't you agree? Time for a game plan change maybe?

tony286 01-07-2011 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17827957)
In the last 4 years of democrat control ,under Pelosi , we have not done very well, wouldn't you agree? Time for a game plan change maybe?

You didnt answer my question ? When the right starts cutting programs that effect you and ypur family will that be ok?

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Vendzilla 01-07-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17827966)
You didnt answer my question ? When the right starts cutting programs that effect you and ypur family will that be ok?

Obama signed a delay in the medicare cuts he wanted to help fund the healthcare law, they want to pay my mothers doctors 21% less

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...aw-avoid-medic

Is that the programs they want to cut that will effect my family? can't think of any other

Coup 01-07-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17827957)
In the last 4 years of democrat control ,under Pelosi , we have not done very well, wouldn't you agree? Time for a game plan change maybe?

yes, let's switch back to the other version of the same ol shit. great plan.

The Demon 01-07-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 17827953)
So lets look at the job creation.

In Reagan's first term he created 5.3 million jobs. His second term saw 10.8 million. So he created about 16.1 million jobs. Not bad. But if you look at Jimmy Carter who I think most people will agree was a pretty poor president you will find that Carter created 10.3 million jobs during his one and only term. That means Reagan's best term with all of his policies running full steam ahead only created slightly more jobs than did Carter.

If you look at Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr and you combine all of the numbers you get 20 years worth of trickle down economics. Combined they created 19.8 million jobs. That is less than Clinton who created 22.7 million.

Sure, you can argue that defense spending exceeded the profits made by the tax cuts, but that is simply a justification for what ails this country across the board no matter who is in charge. They all spend money like crazy. The republicans tend to spend it on defense and use fear as a rationalization for their spending. The democrats tend to spend it on entitlement programs and use guilt to rationalize their spending.

What I am getting at is that there is no real evidence that trickle down economics works any better for job creation than any other system. It seems like any system, if it were combined with actually spending controls, would most likely work because I feel our economy tends to do its own thing regardless of the government's tax policies.

You do realize that trickle down economics existed during Clinton's era right?

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17827993)
yes, let's switch back to the other version of the same ol shit. great plan.

I didn't say that, you're making up shit again

kane 01-07-2011 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17828001)
You do realize that trickle down economics existed during Clinton's era right?

Of course. I also realize he was called a "tax and spend liberal" by the republicans. He also raised the top tax rate by about 4%.

Dvae 01-07-2011 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827191)
If you guys are calling Boehner stupid, I can't imagine what anyone thinks of Pelosi's intelligence.

It doesn't matter, shes a Dem and can do or say nothing wrong. All she says and does is good.

Coup 01-07-2011 05:19 PM

well, to be fair, you don't say much of anything but a bunch of doublespeak bullshit.
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828004)
I didn't say that, you're making up shit again

And then you say exactly that just about everytime someone calls you out on your bullshit.

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Amputate Your Head 01-07-2011 08:18 PM

Ronald Reagan was a homosexual. :2 cents:

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828050)
well, to be fair, you don't say much of anything but a bunch of doublespeak bullshit.

And then you say exactly that just about everytime someone calls you out on your bullshit.

Show mke one place where I said Bush did it better. You just get a knee jerk reaction when someone puts down Barry and think if you're against barry. you have to be a republican, I'm not. I don't put down the republicans because well until just yesterday, they had no power, so why would I?

I'm calling you on your bullshit

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17828358)
Ronald Reagan was a homosexual. :2 cents:

Amp, is that wishful thinking?

Coup 01-07-2011 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17827853)
Yea that's it. I applaud your 1st grade knowledge of US political history.:1orglaugh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October...spiracy_theory

you have to admit. it is a compelling theory.


HAHA like you have the ability to admit anything. what, with reagans rotten cock in your mouth and all.

Coup 01-07-2011 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828365)
Show mke one place where I said Bush did it better. You just get a knee jerk reaction when someone puts down Barry and think if you're against barry. you have to be a republican, I'm not. I don't put down the republicans because well until just yesterday, they had no power, so why would I?

I'm calling you on your bullshit

when the fuck was bush brought up?.. who's making shit up here now? I see you in here white knighting john boner. he represents the other version of the same ol shit. therefore you're supporting it. dumbass.

Amputate Your Head 01-07-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828367)
Amp, is that wishful thinking?

just the facts.

Coup 01-07-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17827186)
He cut spending by getting rid of the jet Pelosi has been flying around in and is using commercial flights.
The pentagon is already working on cutting 100 billion from it's budget, before the congress gets to it.

On Thursday, the new House is also expected to vote on a 5 percent cut in its own budget, for an estimated savings of $35 million over the rest of the fiscal year. GOP House leaders say they will continue to vote on bills to cut spending of some sort at least once a week for the foreseeable future.

white knighting the same ol shit. :2 cents:

Coup 01-07-2011 08:53 PM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ght%20syndrome

replace the word female with john boner and this is you vendzilla

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828389)
when the fuck was bush brought up?.. who's making shit up here now? I see you in here white knighting john boner. he represents the other version of the same ol shit. therefore you're supporting it. dumbass.

I made comments about it, never saying how I feel about it one way or another, at least it's not more pelosi. Boehner was 5.34 trillion dollars ago. I complained about Pelosi, how the fuck can I say I'm for Boehner, no one knows what he's going to do. Which is different from Pelosi, she didn't know what she was going to do.

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828399)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ght%20syndrome

replace the word female with john boner and this is you vendzilla

Can you carry on a conversation without imprecations within the vacuum of reasoning?

Coup 01-07-2011 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828400)
I made comments about it, never saying how I feel about it one way or another,

yes, it's your absolute refusal to go on record about fucking anything that allows you to doublespeak your way right on out when you get called out.

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828393)
white knighting the same ol shit. :2 cents:

And where do you find fault in what I posted?

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828404)
yes, it's your absolute refusal to go on record about fucking anything that allows you to doublespeak your way right on out when you get called out.

So you're saying I haven't said my opinion on whats going on, just stating facts and you have a hard time debating facts?

Coup 01-07-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828408)
And where do you find fault in what I posted?

I never found fault. never said I did.

Coup 01-07-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828410)
So you're saying I haven't said my opinion on whats going on, just stating facts and you have a hard time debating facts?

the only fact i'm debating is that you're a double speaking retard and john boners personal white knight apparently.

Coup 01-07-2011 09:04 PM

keep that doublespeak coming homie. It's cracking me up

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828415)
I never found fault. never said I did.

Then why have you reduced yourself to throwing imprecations at me?

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828416)
the only fact i'm debating is that you're a double speaking retard and john boners personal white knight apparently.

Please show me one place where I gave any opinion on John Boenher in this or any thread. You need to change your medications.

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828418)
keep that doublespeak coming homie. It's cracking me up

Show me where I'm using doublespeak, please

Coup 01-07-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828423)
Then why have you reduced yourself to throwing imprecations at me?



Please show me one place where I gave any opinion on John Boenher in this or any thread. You need to change your medications.

you posted facts in support of john boner.

Coup 01-07-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17828424)
Show me where I'm using doublespeak, please

every god damn reply to me.

Vendzilla 01-07-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828427)
you posted facts in support of john boner.

Facts? I thought you said doublespeak, there is a difference

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17828428)
every god damn reply to me.

Show me, just one, waiting, should I use smaller words?


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