What has Steve accomplished in the last 2-3 years besides sueing people?

YOU haven't accomplished anything except build a reputation of TALKING about money and then launching a bunch of shitty paysites with no traffic....

Pot, meet kettle.

BVF The one thing about 12clicks is he makes money and a lot of it. The goal when you are in business is to make money.

There is a massive difference between 12clicks and Steve and I'm not just talking about their bank accounts.

wonder this myself also

you've been to the sauna with both of them? :Graucho


btw - i'd like to talk to you regarding Twistys and traffic if you have time but i'm not sure if you have still the same ICQ

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Yea, but he only does crossells. That's his business, that's it. Has few partners he trades with and that's that. It's why he's trolling so hard, since that type of operation requires little to no work other then finding people that run the same type of business. Is that success or business? I don't think so. If you judge it by the money he makes, then yes, he made it, but at the same time, i know way more spammers that do way more then he does, so they're better business men then he is?

I know what you mean. I've made nowhere near what some people have made in this biz. However ive build a pretty solid brand. Is that more of an accomplishment than someone who's built nothing but made $25 million more than I have? I don't know.

Yes. You've built a business, he just found a way to make money. The 2 are not always the same. It's just that he likes to brag how it is. Would you want to have made more money then you did, i don't know.

I don't believe they are dead.

I think so. And I don't think it is someone who has built a solid brand vs someone who had built nothing. I have built nothing, just sent sales. What you did was build a good brand, vs someone who makes (made) money from shitty billing practices.... which has helped to destroy the industry for people like you and everyone else.


I could have made millions installing spyware and then holding people's computers hostage unless they pay for my shit to make it work, or several other illegal/shady things.


The cross sale business is short term, going away. I hope 12Clicks has something else to latch on to. At least if he does evolve to the next thing (shaddy or not) it will be more than what Steve has done which is sit on the same sites for the last 5-6 years... that and blackmailing, err i mean sueing people and faking girls deaths.

Also don't forget, cross sales are one time thing, paid and be done with. If they stop tomorrow how much does he have. How much VALUE do you have in your sites if you were to sell them. So while someone might have made millions more than you so far, don't forget the value you are sitting on where as the only thing they are sitting on is their ass. (myself included).

it's the "at all cost" part that most people have a problem with , we all understand money, but most of us never resorted to installing trojans to make money right..:2 cents:

Interesting, I'm surprised to hear that he does :2 cents:

Interesting bump. Interesting read (again). How quickly we forget.

I'm surprised you rember to breath.
Seriously child, if you knew ANYONE of note in this business, the surprise about your betters wouldn't be so great.

I wonder if this loser is still living off his wife's income.
Hilarious looking back on the nobodies who talked a big game for a year or two and then disappeared.

Sure you do, kid.
I've been successful in this biz for 16 years. Long before cross sales and long after.
Don't embarrass yourself pretending you know shit about me or this business.

You don't.

Halfwit, if you're still pretending to be in this biz by posting here, I'll send you bus fare and you can get a tour of our office.

Thanks for the bump. It's always good for a laugh to look back on the losers who explain what I don't make and don't know.
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No more weekend shifts at mcdonalds i see, you only have to man the fryer during weekdays now? Congrats on the promotion dude :thumbsup

Did you post this in full view of your mother? :1orglaugh

Nice bump, Arschloch.