ok, so i've only read a couple articles about it but im looking at more now and these so called warning signs seem like a vain attempt to paint an average loser as a crazy psycho. i've seen others do much worse in their 20's and go on to be normal people with families. so lets see..

dropped out of school ..who cares?

pothead.. so are a lot of other kids and adults across the globe

rejected from army.. again, who cares?

made crazy youtube video...have you been around youtube much? his video is nothing compared to so many out there. maybe we need a thought police who will arrest those who think something bad.

said weird things in college, wrote 'mayhem best' on paper...ok then. what about the anarchists, the white power kids, the 'goths'... i guess all of these people are threats and should be kicked out of school and locked up?

i really don't see any real warning signs. maybe the parents saw something actually real but it hasn't been reported yet.

and if every parent did this, how many lives would be forever ruined because of a phase they might be going through at the time? once you get a psych eval there is no going back. they aren't totally accurate one way or another.

and you say he probably wouldn't of been able to purchase the weapon but i bet you he would of. arizona apparently has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country. i don't know what they are specifically but what kind of background checks to do they do? if its only criminal then nothing would show. i don't think there is a psych database readily available to search against even if they wanted to.

you're simply incorrect.
multiple students and teachers feared him. do a search.
or, continue to argue a false theory.

and how many lives would be saved?

and what do you mean by "lives forever ruined" because of a psych evaluation? are you actually saying that they shouldn't be performed because there's a chance that some kids will be tested and declared to be mentally unstable and potentially violent? wow too bad their lives are ruined so they can't go out and buy a gun to shoot 6 people to death?

any psychological references should red flag when someone is buying a weapon. if that's not part of the law in AZ it should absolutely be part of the law.

psych tests aren't totally accurate. crazy people can pass and sane people can fail. and by lives ruined forever i mean because johnny is going some kind of goth phase where he is fasinated with death and fails a psych eval, which doesn't mean he is crazy or a threat..) the career choices he makes later in life will be much more limited, among other things. as far as i know to be denied a gun you would have to do something criminally violent, not just have a psych eval that says you may be mentally unstable and could or could not have violent tendencies. why don't we just start arresting people for possible crimes that might happen in the future. it seems you'd be willing to strip people of many freedoms to keep guns which is kind of ironic.

sure they feared him and of course have a much more chilling recall now than they did then. because oh, they just knew he was going to snap. of course they did. people always say this when something like that happens, it makes them feel important. maybe he was crazy. i am not saying he wasn't. just saying the so called warning signs that have been reported are farily typical and happen every day and the percentage that go on to kill might be .03%.

he is tied to bombs attacks now, but since he was a retard all it ended up being was a little poof and a singed hand.

* Based on survey data from the U.S. Department of Justice, roughly 5,340,000 violent crimes were committed in the United States during 2008. These include simple/aggravated assaults, robberies, sexual assaults, rapes, and murders.[13] [14] [15] Of these, about 436,000 or 8% were committed by offenders visibly armed with a gun

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#crime

Just 8% had a gun

sorry clown.
there are emails and a 911 call.
but please, continue with your false argument.

So we should stop giving out driving licenses because someone might get run over? Many more people die by getting run over by a sane person, than being shot by an insane person.

--and if he really needed a gun, he would get one regardless of the system.

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emails calling teachers con artists and the college a torture facility? wow. a 911 call because the kid wouldn't leave the school? oh no. my mom is a highschool teacher. shes had students call her and tell her if she goes to school today she will be killed. and these kids just get suspended. that sounds much worse than anything this kid ever did.

like, i said, its nothing when you look at it. the ramblings of a crazy person, sure but are we now assuming all crazy people are going to kill people? i'm willing to bet there are number of people on this board with schizophrenia. do you now see them as threats? potential killers? because they are just people like me and you.

i also find it very interesting that everyone is saying they were worried he would come back with a gun, yet did nothing about it. not only that but how many times was this kid told he looks like someone who would shoot up the place? it seems possible this thought was drilled into the kids head to the point where he thought he should become what everyone already thought he was. just like when you tell a kid don't do this don't do that, well the kid never thought to do those things until you put the idea that he shouldn't do them into his head. i'm sure you won't get this though as the world you live in seems to be very black and white. you just want the easy answers. hes crazy, yep, end of story.

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the lengths you'll go to to seem right in the face of facts proving you wrong is very entertaining.

i don't care about being right. just saying if you think those are dangerous warning signs, you are out of touch.

ha, yeah i'm not saying hes not crazy at all but if you believe the so called warning signs are the warning signs of a killer, then you have killers on every highschool and college campus across america and the world.

There is a huge gray area where people can operate without being normal.

Case in point is a friend of mine. He has "water on the brain" and in the past twenty years has had some 14 surgeries on his brain. He's forty-six years old, but operates on the level of a sixteen year old kid. He's fully 100% medically retired from the post office and US Army, and hasn't worked in twenty years. He has a truck and an apartment, but otherwise functions as a teenager with no responsibility other than a handful of bills. The only conversations he can have is about working at the post office, his last wife, and then high school. Current events, pop culture; He no concept of what's going on in the world around him. He is utterly oblivious.

He operates as a normal human being. But the first time you met him, within five minutes, he'll either be talking about the post office, high school, or his last wife. And after you've met him a few times you figure out that the light is on, but no one is home - he's an empty shell.

Clearly he has brain damage. But both his friends and family assume that he's been tested somewhere along the line and someone has decided he is "medically fit" to be a member of society. The scary thing is that he is well armed; He has a handgun, and recently purchased an AR15.

The reason you have the right to bear arms was in response to European Monarchs who had a monopoly on weapons and therefore iot was difficult to overthrow governments.

So thats what the guns are for, so either overthrow the government or hand the bloody things in.

The idea was never that you use them against each other.

the internet wasnt intended for porn ..so unless you are using it for that..turn in your computers:1orglaugh

we live in a very big and different world than we did in the 1700's .asking everyone to just turn in there guns and expecting a majority to do it is about as senseless as asking people who arent using there computers for buissness to turn them in..just not gonna happen..its way too late:2 cents:

Neighbor: Parents of shooting suspect devastated
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110111/...woman_shot_113

"They want to know, where did they fail? I told them they didn't fail. They taught him everything about right and wrong. We all know you can teach someone everything and have no control how it works out."

Roxanne Osler, of Tucson, whose son had been a friend of Jared Loughner's, said he had a bad relationship with his parents and had distanced himself from family.

if the parents distance themselves from their child while the kid is still living with them, something is drastically wrong with the parenting - or if the parents allow their child to distance himself from them while he is living with them...not good

"What Jared did was wrong. But people need to know about him," she told The Washington Post. "I wish people would have taken a better notice of him and gotten him help. ... He had nobody, and that's not a nice place to be."

It is obvious from this statement that the neighbors knew something was up...where were the parents?

In other words, the parents themselves feel guilty as hell as they should be.
This is not a gun related issue, its a parenting issue.

If you don't believe in change, why bother posting.

Having guns lying around is plain crazy in the opinion of most of the worlds population except the US...

If you have the will to disarm I am sure you could.

The only purpose of a gun is to kill people. To compare it to a computer is lame.

The UK has minorities and poverty but we don't feel the need to tool up.

It's a shame that the assault weapons ban, which included these extended magazine clips, was allowed to expire in 2004. I remember the "lets amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" red herring and the senate opening debate on it. I also remember that on that very day, the assault weapons ban was left to expire since then-president Bush didnt extend it. I also remember with pride that my 2 state senators, Schumer and Clinton, took their turn in the gay marriage debate and instead used the time to illustrate how useless it was to allow an assault weapons ban to expire and made these same points.

You dont hunt with a 9mm handgun with 30 rounds in it. You dont protect your family (as if that was even a true stat) with an ak-47. Collectors already had and still have the loophole of the gunshow to buy and sell those. So why was the ban left to expire? Politics. Idiots and politics.

And now here we go again with politicians wanting to again ban assault weapons and extended magazines. And of course people will fight it and throw money at it. Congress and senate is for sale, get em while they're hot.

I am not a believer in a complete gun ban - but ANY assault weapons outside of the military is just plain nuts. And right now in the US, it is nuts.

At the end of the day it'll end back to the sticks and rocks :upsidedow

I have a bridge to sell you.

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." -Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -James Madison

If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. -George Washington

There really is no "loophole" at gun shows.Every single dealer that has a booth at a gun show will do a backround check before you can purchase a gun from them.

Also you would protect your family with the 9mm :BangBang: ... and go hunting with the ak-47:ak47:

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Best post in this thread :thumbsup

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being rejected by the US army is a major flag... what the hell does it take to be rejected by them these days?? He show up dressed up as elton john?

It is bad news that Loughner Got a Gun. I think guns are not very hard to get in North America. My condolences to victims of shootings.

I think with the recession and unemployment that our armed forces are being more selective these days. I know that all branches are making their recruiting goals these days, which makes sense.

The first two of these statements were made when weapons had to be loaded manually.... Mute statements in our society today. Other than that they sound great! :2 cents:

I wholeheartedly agree with good ole George though. :thumbsup

It's funny that people are worried about criminals with guns and want to take guns away from those that follow the law, kinda like leaving the front door open at the local prison.

A ban on guns is even funnier coming from a group of people that can't afford a ban on free speech.

But we live in a world where the words of Samuel Clemens can be edited for political correctness and the most banned book of the last decade is Harry Potter.

Extended magazines are still not allowed in California.

I have hunted with a 40 cal pistol, one size bigger than a 9mm, hunting for wild pig.

I have also hunted with my AR-15.

You realize we already have over I think 20,000 guns laws on the books?

Just so you know, assault weapons are not used very often by criminals, mostly pistols are used, hard to hide a AK47 under your jacket.

I was rejeted by the Navy: I have a 1911 :winkwink:

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