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redwhiteandblue 01-26-2011 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross (Post 17868642)
I don't know how Scotland can offer cheaper internet than Canada.

They have to, no-one in Scotland has any money.

12clicks 01-26-2011 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17867916)
This is really a bad idea. We already get screwed on our ridiculously-priced cell phone data plans and now they want to do it to our Internet connections as well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1881250/

:mad:

Petitions usually do nothing, but I signed this one, just in case:

http://openmedia.ca/meter

yeah but you get free health care.:1orglaugh

PR_Glen 01-26-2011 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 17868667)
pls, elaborate on that, what would be done if that thing passes, how can you stop government doign so in Canada?

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Vote them out, replace them with people who better represent the people, it's called a democracy.

DamianJ 01-26-2011 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17868617)
What's wrong with it?

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the world is moving to downloading digital content over the last few years. I have a box plugged into my TV that gives me iPlayer. (The BBC's VOD service). That allows me to stream BBC content to my TV directly. A 30 minute 'HD' programme is about 1.5 gig. I pretty much only use it of an evening, and don't watch what is being broadcast. I can easily, legally, do 10 gig a night. Then there is lovefilm in the UK or netflix in the states. They stream too. A movie would be about 3 or 4 gig. Oh and I get my other TV series from iTunes.

The world is moving to this model very quickly, so if the ISPs stifled this growth by metering the internet it would be bad.

HTH

Damian

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 01-26-2011 07:38 AM

I've never seen any overcharges on Shaw, and I am pretty damn positive I use well up and above 100gb/month. Maybe I just don't pay enough attention to my bills. Can you actually check your data usage somewhere with them? I just get my eCheck, and pay them out, seems to be the same old consistent charge. Shaw isn't hurting by any means.

Babaganoosh 01-26-2011 07:43 AM

I have a sprinkler system that waters my lawn. During the summer it runs 3 times per week. I take two showers per day. My wife takes one. My son takes a bath. Shouldn't my water bill be higher than someone living alone in a one bedroom apartment?

I don't understand why people get bent out of shape when they're asked to pay for what they use. If you can't afford the bandwidth, perhaps you shouldn't use Netflix. Really. If you can't afford fuel would you try to drive cross-country for a vacation?

NetHorse 01-26-2011 07:45 AM

Why do you think so many Americans are fighting against Obama's agenda? More bureaucracy = more control, less freedom, more taxes, less social divide.

But ZOMG, Americans have to buy their own health insurance, oh lord, they don't want to tax people making over $200,000 over 40% to spread the wealth.

GatorB 01-26-2011 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17870214)
So all countries should charge the same? :upsidedow

GatorB and Ross welcome to the world of free enterprise.

hardly free enterprise especially in canada. Your post shows your ignorance of the topic. why don't you post how much YOU use per month.

GatorB 01-26-2011 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17870371)
Why do you think so many Americans are fighting against Obama's agenda? More bureaucracy = more control, less freedom, more taxes, less social divide.

But ZOMG, Americans have to buy their own health insurance, oh lord, they don't want to tax people making over $200,000 over 40% to spread the wealth.

What does the diarhea coming ourt of your mouth have to do with the topic?

GatorB 01-26-2011 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17870368)
I have a sprinkler system that waters my lawn. During the summer it runs 3 times per week. I take two showers per day. My wife takes one. My son takes a bath. Shouldn't my water bill be higher than someone living alone in a one bedroom apartment?

I don't understand why people get bent out of shape when they're asked to pay for what they use. If you can't afford the bandwidth, perhaps you shouldn't use Netflix. Really. If you can't afford fuel would you try to drive cross-country for a vacation?

So in otherwords ISP shoudl be able to meter like a utility? Then you should agree then they should be REGULATED as a utility then? Which the ISPs do NOT want. Can't have it both ways.

My gas bill if I don't use it is $6 a month. then I get charge so much per unit. Now if the ISP want to charge this way then they need to LOWER the cost of th basic service FIRST. but they don't want to they want to keep charging $50 a month PLUS overages. Sorry can't have it both way.

If the ISPs want to meter bandwith fine except

A) Base price has to be $10 a month
B) Overages can't be more than 50% over actual cost.

MrBottomTooth 01-26-2011 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17870285)
yeah but you get free health care.:1orglaugh

You deserve a cake for that post.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wGr8njEWjt...ie+mercury.jpg

Babaganoosh 01-26-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17870408)
So in otherwords ISP shoudl be able to meter like a utility? Then you should agree then they should be REGULATED as a utility then? Which the ISPs do NOT want. Can't have it both ways.

My gas bill if I don't use it is $6 a month. then I get charge so much per unit. Now if the ISP want to charge this way then they need to LOWER the cost of th basic service FIRST. but they don't want to they want to keep charging $50 a month PLUS overages. Sorry can't have it both way.

If the ISPs want to meter bandwith fine except

A) Base price has to be $10 a month
B) Overages can't be more than 50% over actual cost.

Blah blah blah. People who use more should pay more. ISPs set the prices. You have three choices:

1. Pay it and shut up.
2. Find a new ISP whose policies jibe with your ideals.
3. Quit the interwebs.

Si 01-26-2011 08:31 AM

Moving back to europe :upsidedow

Can't believe how much Canadians get fucked on services. Cell phones, TV, etc. It's terrible.

Being charged to recieve texts and phone calls at the same rates it costs to make them.

2 year tv contracts

3 year cell phone contracts with all kinds of fees

then if 3 years isn't bad enough if you want to use the web on your phone you get a terribly low amount of data.

Fucked up system.

MrBottomTooth 01-26-2011 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17870368)
I have a sprinkler system that waters my lawn. During the summer it runs 3 times per week. I take two showers per day. My wife takes one. My son takes a bath. Shouldn't my water bill be higher than someone living alone in a one bedroom apartment?

I don't understand why people get bent out of shape when they're asked to pay for what they use. If you can't afford the bandwidth, perhaps you shouldn't use Netflix. Really. If you can't afford fuel would you try to drive cross-country for a vacation?

The problem is the heavy users are already being covered by current charges. They have admitted that the overage charges that are in place now are nothing but pure profit for them.

I don't understand why people are so willing to bend over and spread their ass cheeks far apart for no other reason than to increase the already huge profits for corporations that basically have a monopoly.

This has nothing to do with out of control expenses for the ISP's or even network congestion caused by torrents. Bell already throttles torrent traffic down to about 20 kb during peak hours.

This has to do with them trying to control how we access digital content and them trying to force competitors out of business to keep their monopolies in place. And the CRTC trying in vain to hold onto their antiquated minimum "Canadian content" rules.

But hey, let's just open our wallets and keep paying more.

Babaganoosh 01-26-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17870456)
The problem is the heavy users are already being covered by current charges. They have admitted that the overage charges that are in place now are nothing but pure profit for them.

I don't understand why people are so willing to bend over and spread their ass cheeks far apart for no other reason than to increase the already huge profits for corporations that basically have a monopoly.

This has nothing to do with out of control expenses for the ISP's or even network congestion caused by torrents. Bell already throttles torrent traffic down to about 20 kb during peak hours.

This has to do with them trying to control how we access digital content and them trying to force competitors out of business to keep their monopolies in place. And the CRTC trying in vain to hold onto their antiquated minimum "Canadian content" rules.

But hey, let's just open our wallets and keep paying more.

Many years ago I worked for the second cable company in the nation to offer internet access through cable (the first was in Boulder, CO and the second was Lawrence, KS and both were originally owned by the same company). I was one of the first who was trained to install and maintain infrastructure in the field through Scientific Atlanta.

Recently at home between the hours of 4-9 PM my download speeds used to take a massive dump. Conventional coax plant (cable and amps) have bandwidth limitations and we had reached that limit. After a couple of months of whining Time Warner extended fiber into our area and split the feed for our neighborhood.

It's true that network congestion isn't an issue at the headend but neighborhood-level plant congestion is a huge issue still. Upgrading plant is more expensive than you can fathom. Why shouldn't those that use so much bandwidth that it necessitates redesigning a neighborhood's cable system help offset the cost of the upgrades?

12clicks 01-26-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17870442)

right click/save

fris 02-01-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamis (Post 17868648)
interesting.. now FRIS aka Chris MCGAY is going to be pissed. lol...

It will affect his dirty blackhat tecniques for sure. hehe.

yep blackhat all the way.

MrBottomTooth 02-01-2011 08:43 PM

This actually passed, but everyone raised such a stink that Harper is already talking about reversing it.

Hopefully that will be the case. Apparently he will make his decision by March. In the meantime I am going to use as much bandwidth as I possibly can just to spite Bell.

NetHorse 02-01-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17870400)
What does the diarhea coming ourt of your mouth have to do with the topic?

It's spelled diarrhea, clown.

This is basically a tax on downloading, so yes, it has everything to do with this topic. The CRTC, (which is the equivalent to the FCC in the United States), is responsible for abolishing the restrictions.

Now, why would a government run agency step-in and suddenly make this decision? If you have a valid answer then you have grounds to debate on the subject.

Look at the income taxes for Canadian residents.

Look at their sales tax.

Look at their tax rate on alcohol and cigarettes.

Look at their gas prices.

Look at what Canadians pay for the same cars we have here..

It's funny some people can't see the big picture.

Socks 02-01-2011 09:12 PM

The other day I downloaded a scene from a porn site while doing a review, it was 3.8GB.

My 125gb cap, divided by 31 days is 4gb per day I can download without paying an overage fee. So it's essentially very difficult to even do my job, let alone entertain myself and stay within their HIGHEST tier of cap.

Cash grab, duopoly, corrupt CRTC, and a weak society that can't stop anything from happening.

Our government is spending like $9 billion dollars on... FIGHTER JETS?! WTF DO WE NEED A FIGHTER JET FOR?!@%

Another $9 billion (surely 16 by the time the real numbers come in) for... NEW JAILS?@!% WTF DO WE NEED NEW JAILS FOR?#%(#^

If you polled Canadians on how best to spend 18,000 MILLION dollars.. None of it's going to fighter jets or new prisons.

Canada is going to shit fast. Problem is every other country is along for the ride too. Planned trip.

Agent 488 02-01-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 17885341)

Another $9 billion (surely 16 by the time the real numbers come in) for... NEW JAILS?@!% WTF DO WE NEED NEW JAILS FOR?#%(#^

harper plans to increase jails by 50 fucking percent.

he has to pay back the cops who helped get him in to power somehow.

garce 02-01-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 17885295)
This actually passed, but everyone raised such a stink that Harper is already talking about reversing it.

Hopefully that will be the case. Apparently he will make his decision by March. In the meantime I am going to use as much bandwidth as I possibly can just to spite Bell.

How do you spite them? I've been getting $30 to $60 overage charges for the last few months. My new plan finally kicks in on my next bill (I hope - but I'm sure they managed to fuck something up), but its a joke that I have to pay more for less.

I'm paying twice as much for slightly faster speeds and less GBs of transfer than I was originally getting 10 / 11 years ago. Canadian free enterprise in action! Long live monopolies!

moeloubani 02-01-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by garce (Post 17885357)
How do you spite them? I've been getting $30 to $60 overage charges for the last few months. My new plan finally kicks in on my next bill (I hope - but I'm sure they managed to fuck something up), but its a joke that I have to pay more for less.

I'm paying twice as much for slightly faster speeds and less GBs of transfer than I was originally getting 10 / 11 years ago. Canadian free enterprise in action! Long live monopolies!

This is the problem here, not that the prices are going up, but that the service isn't getting much better for those higher prices.

Anyways I switched to Rogers 50mbps plan and it is alright, just don't think I should have to pay overages when I'm already paying $100 a month for the internet.

Sid70 02-02-2011 02:56 AM

About time. Canada shouldn't have excluded web designers off the NOC list.

MrBottomTooth 02-02-2011 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by garce (Post 17885357)
How do you spite them? I've been getting $30 to $60 overage charges for the last few months. My new plan finally kicks in on my next bill (I hope - but I'm sure they managed to fuck something up), but its a joke that I have to pay more for less.

I'm paying twice as much for slightly faster speeds and less GBs of transfer than I was originally getting 10 / 11 years ago. Canadian free enterprise in action! Long live monopolies!

I currently have an unmetered plan from Bell that was grandfathered in, since I originally signed up for it before their cut-off date of 2007. (every plan after that will go by the new rules) Their top plan in my area was unmetered at that time and has been ever since.

If you have one of the old grandfathered unlimited plans with Bell, then supposedly you will be able to keep it, although they will be raising the price by $5. Most people aren't so lucky.

adamz 02-02-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17867931)
Canadians are not known for being the smartest of people... :2 cents:

.

Die in a fire, http://www.cbc.ca/inventions/

50% of Americans wouldn't even be alive right now considering we invented Insulin, the telephone so you can call the ambulance when your heart explodes and the pacemaker to keep you ticking, oh and of course basketball which we decided wasn't worth playing anyways.

My favorite is the light bulb which EDISON DID NOT INVENT, however a great man none the less.

mailman 02-02-2011 09:44 AM

Rogers already caps my internet and then chargers overages per gig.

nothing new for me...

bronco67 02-02-2011 10:03 AM

Check this out....

As one of the first people my area to get cable internet years ago, I was loving my crazy download and upload speeds with Cablevision. I've watched the service slowly deteriorate over the years, because as we all know, cable gets overloaded as the number of users increases, and now everyone and their fucking grandma has broadband.

In the last few months, I've been getting almost 1mbps down if I'm lucky. If its a day when everyone's inside, like a snow day or a Sunday night -- forget it. I couldn't do anything and it was almost like being back in the old phone modem days.

So Cablevision's advertising says my package should be 15mbps down and 5 up. I was getting 1/15th of what I supposed to -- and that is if I was having a good day. So I called them up to find out what the fuck was going on. Why have you not upgraded your service to handle all of the users?

The lady told me I could get the "boost" feature for an extra $9.95 a month. This would bring my speed up to 30mbps. So I ordered it, because what fucking choice do I actually have. They're the only game in town, as we don'tr have Fios yet.

Instantly, my speed went up to 28mbps down, and almost 8 up. So those fuckers had capped me down to 1mbps until I paid the extra 10bucks per month. It's sneaky and horrible business practice, but like i said, I don't have a choice. I'll speak with my wallet when Fios is available, and drop those fuckers -- along with a lot of other customers.


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