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TheDoc 02-03-2011 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 17889327)
and what were those temperate ranges?
Exactly.... they are extreme!

20 degrees hotter across the entire planet, frozen across the entire planet, cycles of it happening almost instantly, cycles of it happening slowly, local areas with totally different temps/weather, ice caps that have totally melted and glaciers on the equator are even possible, entire destruction, rebuilding, recycling... far worse, far better - we are currently somewhere in the middle right now.

PornGreen 02-03-2011 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17889126)
2010 was the warmest year on record globally.
http://www.scotese.com/images/globaltemp.jpg

tony286 02-03-2011 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17889344)
Exactly.... they are extreme!

20 degrees hotter across the entire planet, frozen across the entire planet, cycles of it happening almost instantly, cycles of it happening slowly, local areas with totally different temps/weather, ice caps that have totally melted and glaciers on the equator are even possible, entire destruction, rebuilding, recycling... far worse, far better - we are currently somewhere in the middle right now.

There qctually isnt a debate. The pentagon issued report on it during the bush yrs. The debate is science vs companies that have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. Al gore doesnt benefit from this but if the noise machine creates doubt then the oil and coal benefit.

EonBlue 02-03-2011 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17889126)
2010 was the warmest year on record globally.
Based on what record and of what reliability? How long have we been gathering reliable and consistent temperature records globally?

According to paleo-climate reconstructions it has been far warmer in the past than it is now. Why all the panic?

EonBlue 02-03-2011 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17889376)
There qctually isnt a debate. The pentagon issued report on it during the bush yrs. The debate is science vs companies that have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are. Al gore doesnt benefit from this but if the noise machine creates doubt then the oil and coal benefit.
No, the debate is between science and governments along with their NGO environmentalist groups who have a vested interest in increased regulation, increased taxation and new revenue streams beneficial to themselves.

And Al Gore has profited to the tune of millions and millions of dollars pushing this global warming hysteria.

PR_Glen 02-03-2011 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by alf6300 (Post 17888926)
We are pretty good at figuring out stuff that happened way before humans were around.

For example, we don't need to rely on recorded history to know that the earth went through a number of ice ages.

Nobody seriously thinks that the earth was never covered in ice, just because we have "no recorded history" of it.

We also have no recorded history of the tectonic shift, or photographs of the dinosaurs, nor did I ever see in person the dead body of Elvis. Indirect evidence, in such cases, is just as good for anybody not wearing a tinfoil hat.



Wrong, sorry.
Religion makes no falsifiable predictions (except when it says that the world will end in 2012, of course.)

Climate scientists make PLENTY of predictions that are very easy to check.
They do it all the time, it's pretty much their job (albeit certainly not on a month-by-month or zipcode-by-zipcode basis).

Make a small model of the earth and put it under the sun. It gets considerably hotter if you fill the atmosphere of your small model with co2.

That's essentially what climatologists do, and extrapolate the data to see how much co2 will make the global temperature hotter, and when. A very falsifiable prediction, indeed.

Sadly, the model and predictions have not been falsified yet: quite the contrary. So I would prefer not to bet my ass and my kids ass that they are wrong, but that's indeed what we are doing.
your faith in the accuracy of a science that is based on a best guess mentality is just as crazy and believable as the 10 commandments were derived from a burning bush...

Either find jesus or try figuring out the difference between fact and estimation and your arguments may hold more water...

brassmonkey 02-03-2011 11:35 AM
where are the gfy scientist ? :1orglaugh :helpme

_Richard_ 02-03-2011 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17889344)
Exactly.... they are extreme!

20 degrees hotter across the entire planet, frozen across the entire planet, cycles of it happening almost instantly, cycles of it happening slowly, local areas with totally different temps/weather, ice caps that have totally melted and glaciers on the equator are even possible, entire destruction, rebuilding, recycling... far worse, far better - we are currently somewhere in the middle right now.
thing is, there wasn't 7 billion self-involved animals that have no problem dumping a wide range of gases liquids and solids in places those things shouldn't be

so yea, all of us have heard this argument before, if anyone here wants to stick their heads in the sand, i suggest you do that.

again, i suggest you stick your heads in the sand on a beach area. don't leave.

TheDoc 02-03-2011 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17889662)
thing is, there wasn't 7 billion self-involved animals that have no problem dumping a wide range of gases liquids and solids in places those things shouldn't be

so yea, all of us have heard this argument before, if anyone here wants to stick their heads in the sand, i suggest you do that.

again, i suggest you stick your heads in the sand on a beach area. don't leave.
Every chemical we're saying today is causing us harm has been greatly higher and lower, from the air to the water, well before humans influenced them.

And like before, it's all recycled.

alf6300 02-03-2011 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17889553)
your faith in the accuracy of a science that is based on a best guess mentality is just as crazy and believable as the 10 commandments were derived from a burning bush...
What's your definition of a "science based on a best guess mentality"?

If by that you want to mean a science that employs "statistical models", then yes: I quite believe that statistical models are useful indeed - without them you would not have the computer on which you are typing your message, nor your air conditioning.

You would probably not even want to take a life-saving drung, because clinical trials are also based on statistical models ("best guesses" as you call them, and it's a decent wording and not an insult at all for any science. Best guesses in science are what make you now live 80 years instead of 35 just a little time ago).

billywatson 02-03-2011 12:07 PM
Can we all agree that we get one Earth, and we should do our utmost to keep it clean?

EonBlue 02-03-2011 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17889662)
thing is, there wasn't 7 billion self-involved animals that have no problem dumping a wide range of gases liquids and solids in places those things shouldn't be
I agree. But we are spending way too much time, money and effort on preventing just harmless CO2 from entering the atmosphere while many more actual harmful substances are being pumped out.

I'm all for restricting harmful pollution but CO2 ain't it. Cutting CO2 output is not likely to change anything one way or the other.

_Richard_ 02-03-2011 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 17890122)
I agree. But we are spending way too much time, money and effort on preventing just harmless CO2 from entering the atmosphere while many more actual harmful substances are being pumped out.

I'm all for restricting harmful pollution but CO2 ain't it. Cutting CO2 output is not likely to change anything one way or the other.
some have a perspective, and terror, of the consequences of changing our enviroment

i love all these graphs pointing out 'warmer tempatures are normal', but those temperatures came with fucking lizards 42 feet long weighing upwards of 7.5 tonnes. :1orglaugh

with the current animal activities going on, elephants, catfish, god damn jelly fish, this is our wake up call.

'"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."'

Tom_PM 02-03-2011 12:32 PM
Hows the battle against the pine beetles going?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...70M28S20110123

And what would the impact be if permafrost could not be permanently frost any more?

_Richard_ 02-03-2011 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17890327)
Hows the battle against the pine beetles going?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...70M28S20110123

And what would the impact be if permafrost could not be permanently frost any more?
if any americans live in these areas and read this.. freak out now.

two drives through my province, one at 17 and again at 25.. first was was home, lush, green and forest, the second was like a scene out of a horror movie

EonBlue 02-03-2011 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17890279)
some have a perspective, and terror, of the consequences of changing our enviroment

i love all these graphs pointing out 'warmer tempatures are normal', but those temperatures came with fucking lizards 42 feet long weighing upwards of 7.5 tonnes. :1orglaugh
:1orglaugh

I can't argue against that. And the reason those animals were able to grow so big was because of the abundance of food that was able to grow in such a warm climate.

But more recently it was warmer at the height of the Roman Empire and then again during the Medieval Warm Period - when the Vikings were able to colonize Greenland.

spazlabz 02-03-2011 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17888812)
It's just a thread, to whine and complain in. I don't have time for that but thanks for the suggestion.

I know Choker made a similar thread a while back, people were arguing all day about global warming. Go for it! :helpme
:thumbsup It Worked!

_Richard_ 02-03-2011 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 17890895)
:1orglaugh

I can't argue against that. And the reason those animals were able to grow so big was because of the abundance of food that was bale to grow in such a warm climate.

But more recently it was warmer at the height of the Roman Empire and then again during the Medieval Warm Period - when the Vikings were able to colonize Greenland.
7 billion bags of mostly water is a pretty good target ;)

GatorB 02-03-2011 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PornGreen (Post 17889148)
how long is that record?

how old is the planet?
You won't belvie shit until Miami is underwater I guess. Let me ask you do you believe in god?

TheDoc 02-03-2011 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17890279)
some have a perspective, and terror, of the consequences of changing our enviroment

i love all these graphs pointing out 'warmer tempatures are normal', but those temperatures came with fucking lizards 42 feet long weighing upwards of 7.5 tonnes. :1orglaugh

with the current animal activities going on, elephants, catfish, god damn jelly fish, this is our wake up call.

'"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."'
Curbing our global warming/change contributions isn't going to stop elephants, catfish, jellyfish or anything from dying off... that isn't why they are dying off.

We've had hotter temp's within the last few hundred years, let alone a few 1000 - however in that time, it's been much colder too.

TheDoc 02-03-2011 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17891250)
You won't belvie shit until Miami is underwater I guess. Let me ask you do you believe in god?
Miami has been under water before and it's has not been a swamp before..... and the ice caps melting, wont put Miami under water.

_Richard_ 02-03-2011 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17891267)
Curbing our global warming/change contributions isn't going to stop elephants, catfish, jellyfish or anything from dying off... that isn't why they are dying off.

We've had hotter temp's within the last few hundred years, let alone a few 1000 - however in that time, it's been much colder too.
i was referencing a cracked article regarding how our choices have impacted our environment and the species we live with

for example, the article gave a bunch of data on how for thousands of years elephants and humans lived side by side, but now the 'outcasts' from our rampant burning of their territory and the murder of their societies has started to create 'animal armies'

herds of male outcasts that do nothing but kill villagers, destroy villages, and crops. and of course, themselves. Sound familiar?

they will go out of their way to do this.

EonBlue 02-03-2011 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17891250)
You won't belvie shit until Miami is underwater I guess. Let me ask you do you believe in god?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/1...-drop-in-2010/

Food for thought.

cherrylula 02-03-2011 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by spazlabz (Post 17890902)
:thumbsup It Worked!
seems to be the case. :1orglaugh

cherrylula 02-03-2011 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17891272)
Miami has been under water before and it's has not been a swamp before..... and the ice caps melting, wont put Miami under water.
hell down here in Louisiana BP fucked up the bayous before any global warming got a chance!

we are doomed either way. lol

L-Pink 02-03-2011 02:56 PM
I've started using aerosol deodorant again.


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Martin 02-03-2011 03:10 PM
I wish it would get warmer around here. I don't like winter anymore.

czarina 02-03-2011 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17888805)
Wh don't you educate yourself on the effects of global warming. You'll find things like this are actually one of those results.
colder winters are a side effect of global warming? You got me!


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