Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17895634)

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in Egypt is 1.9 million

In Egypt, carrying a firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed without a permit

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17896307)

Everybody sidetracked the original post to argue the second ammendment.

But getting back to the OP...what you said is what I thought too.

Every piece of news footage I see from the Middle East always has thousands of guys wearing hoods and carrying submachine guns. I've never seen anything like that here in the U.S.

I know that if I even tried to walk down the street with a hood and a gun, the cops would shoot me dead.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17896307)

Everybody sidetracked the original post to argue the second ammendment.

But getting back to the OP...what you said is what I thought too.

Every piece of news footage I see from the Middle East always has thousands of guys wearing hoods and carrying submachine guns. I've never seen anything like that here in the U.S.

I know that if I even tried to walk down the street with a hood and a gun, the cops would shoot me dead.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17896322)

I saw a little of that during the LA riots, ended up with a bullet hole in my Camaro. The security guard at our building got jacked for his gun. People living in the apartments were policing the area to protect ourselves. I was walking around with a shotgun, remy 870 in the parking lot.
So yes, we can see that stuff go on here in the US.

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn (Post 17893718)

qft, thank you for posting that... people these days have a twisted view of what this government was setup to do and how it was supposed to function...

Can't say I blame them though as the government has slowly been usurping freedom and rights away from citizens for a good deal of time now... They've realized that as long as X% won't be up in arms about stripping away any given right, they can just slide the bill right through...

It has never been so evident as of late though... Most peoples' reaction to the clove / flavored cigarette ban is; I don't smoke so I don't really care. Their reaction to the ban on incandescent light bulbs is; I use CFLs already, so I don't really care. I always wear my seatbelt, so I don't really care. Even if they do care it's usually; I can't do anything about it so...

These acts of government strip rights away from people, regardless if you use that right or not and they only work one way... Let's give the amount of freedoms stripped from Americans some arbitrary number.... 10,000 and say the government passes 50 new freedom restricting bills per month (this is only for illustrative purposes).

10,000 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 ...

You get my point, there is no reversing this process and with each one of these bills new czars get appointed to oversee them, more staff is hired to manage them and report on them, and what do they result in? More taxes needed...

Unless a drastic change in policy and philosophy occurs we're headed towards a police/nanny state with super high taxes...

I blame it on the collectivist mentality so heavily ingrained in Republicrat agenda. THEY know what's best for EVERYONE and they're willing to force everyone into that path via taxation and legislation.

Once upon a time we had the greatest system of government on the planet. One whose sole purpose was to protect the inalienable rights of every citizen. That is not the case any more....

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17896337)

Also having a gun and having the balls to pull the trigger are two different stories. Its easy to say i would shoot people sitting in your safe warm home.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17895795)

You're the ignorant troll that thinks todays military would open fire on US citizens? Maybe Canadian, but not US.

But I see you believe like these people


"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.



"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933

Originally Posted by uno (Post 17896433)

Sorry man, I'm calling Godwin's on you. I haven't read the rest of the thread, but if no one else mentioned it, FIRST!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Originally Posted by alf6300 (Post 17896470)

I did read the entire thread, and I do confirm that you are indeed the first to invoke the all-powerful law. You have my gratitude :-)

Btw, I was thinking the other day that it would be healthy to extend Godwin to offline debates. It's fun to see how many pundits running out of rhetorical ammunition end up resorting to the cheap nazi comparison.

(Want to prove that smoking is good? Just mention that Hitler was a non-smoker. Hate pets? Just point out that Hitler was a dog lover.)

Originally Posted by uno (Post 17896503)

I use it IRL debates all the time. Unfortunately, most people usually have no clue what I'm referring to.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17892237)

The other night we were watching this on TV and I said "How barbaric". My wife said "That's only because they don't have guns".

Exactly. We can have all of the guns in the world, but that's not going to stop the US military. Our little guns won't be stopping a tank when it rolls down Main Street USA.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17892226)

Bullshit. A bunch of hillbillies and their deer rifles are not a match for the US armed forces. And if you think they are then that's disrespecting our men and women in the armed forces. So are you for the troops or against them?

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 17893850)

You are absolutely right. Think again if you think the US Military would follow orders to harm US Citizens.

Every person in uniform took an oath when we served.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17892245)

Exactly even back in the 1860's when the hillbillies were evenly armed with the US Army THEY STILL LOST. In the last 150 years the difference in fire power between the armed forces and the average American has grown exponentially. And inbred redneck keeping guns thinking they are going to prevent the government for taking over if they became "evil" is an idiot. They'll be the first to be killed or taken to "re-education" camp.

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17895970)

The moment you pick up a gun and fight against the government, remember you are no longer a civilians.

You are an enemy combatant and a traitor to the United States. That's when the US military will open fire on you.

Originally Posted by SkyWalker (Post 17896064)

Another fool. And you sir are old enough to know better.
Why do you and GatorB think that the military is somekind of self contained unit of aliens. They are made up of citizens, there are many ex-military among the citizens, they are recruited from the citizens, their family members are citizens.
This is not some fantasy "a" vs "b" measuring contest of fighting powers.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17896859)

I'll just pick out this idiot post to reply to.
300 million armed Americans would overthrow the government.
And imagining our armed forces would take the side of a corrupt government and fire on US citizens is just liberal shit talk from someone disrespecting our military.

Originally Posted by roly (Post 17896826)

Didn't the national guard open fire and kill and injure some students in the early 70's? (kent state university)

Originally Posted by Dodododa (Post 17896763)

You are very incorrect. It is almost impossible to defeat a determined local population. They couldn't win in Vietnam, they can't win in the two third world countries they invaded lately, what are their odds against 100 million clever Americans?

If the Nazis had faced fierce opposition from their own people, the troupes would have soon lost moral and jumped ship (who wants to be bogged down in a war with their own people?), instead of blindly following a charismatic leader.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17896859)

I'll just pick out this idiot post to reply to.
300 million armed Americans would overthrow the government.
And imagining our armed forces would take the side of a corrupt government and fire on US citizens is just liberal shit talk from someone disrespecting our military.

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17897289)

Not citizens, armed traitors. That's what the US military would be told they are firing on.

The military is loyal to the government, not the people. Don't for a second think otherwise.

Cute how you see things 12clicks but I can tell you grew up living and now live a very spoiled and sheltered life, away from all real life things. Probably wouldn't last the first few days of a revolution sad to say. :( Sorry bud.

The way it works would be this: the US president or whoever gives an order to fire on an armed group of rebellious traitors. The military wouldn't want to side with a group of idiots with small guns because they know if the government has even a small fraction of the military support, that small group of idiots will be the losing side.

Which military general wants to be the one that sides with what he sees as the losing side? All they care about is honor and pride, they don't give two shits about the people and citizens.

Originally Posted by Dodododa (Post 17897927)

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
(Japanese Navy)

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17896866)

You really should keep your silly-assed comments in that frozen wasteland in which you live.

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 17896866)

Canada exists as a relatively free nation only because the USA borders it to the South.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 17898237)

you should learn geography, and take some lessons in class.:2 cents:

usa has never protected canada from anything. Quite the opposite infact.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17897232)

Congratulations, you win "dumbest comment of the week" award!

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 17898305)

I'll be the first to agree that Markham usually talks out of his ass, but I thought he was dead on this time.

What exactly did you find dumb about that comment?
.

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 17898305)

I'll be the first to agree that Markham usually talks out of his ass, but I thought he was dead on this time.

What exactly did you find dumb about that comment?
.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17898563)

Don't bother the guy is beyond dumb if he thinks the different factions in the US are going to come together in anything like the numbers, in relationship to the population, as they did when fighting the British.

Think of the scenario it would take to bring the people together and then wonder if that would happen. But then some Americans believe the Anti Christ is on his way.

The only cohesive faction there is is the religious right.

Do you notice he hasn't really answered it, just slinging insults?

He will now tell us I'm not worth answering to cover his failure of being able to.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17896935)

Yes 300 million armed Americans would over throw the Government. About as likely as you gaining a grain of sense. Of that 300 million it would need to include the army. Game over.

In the real world it would be more like 300,000 tops.

Let's take a look at those, outside the army/police, who have guns and have proved they're willing to use them against people. Fuck me the Gangs, gangsters, Far Right, Far Left and nutters. Do you really want these guys in the front line? They would make a real cohesive unit. :Oh crap

You guys would shit your pants if these guys were in charge.

For those who want to read up on the effectiveness of soldiers there's a lot to read. Intense training today has made the difference. Mr and Mrs Suburbia ain't going to get a look in. No matter what guns they have in their closets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_%28author%29

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17897289)

Not citizens, armed traitors. That's what the US military would be told they are firing on.

The military is loyal to the government, not the people. Don't for a second think otherwise.

Cute how you see things 12clicks but I can tell you grew up living and now live a very spoiled and sheltered life, away from all real life things. Probably wouldn't last the first few days of a revolution sad to say. :( Sorry bud.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 17899064)

its just hilarious reading the posts of non-americans and their lack of understanding of who we are.
This is why as a country we're so successful. We have a mindset thats so far beyond what other countries have that you can't even explain it to them.

son, you're clueless.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17899102)

You and Demon are so deluded it's a joke. The US was great, it's now supported by massive loans it can't repay and on it's way down. Sad because I love the US and what it used to stand for. And I greatly admire what it has achieved in the past by great men.

You're ass is going to be owned by the Chinese soon. Look at the labels on all the things you own and see who made them.

http://www.dancingsamurai.ca/wp-cont...01/history.gif

http://www.kathylien.com/site/wp-con...04/gdp0409.jpg

"Made in the USA" is becoming a great way of selling antiques. :1orglaugh

Demon I knew you didn't have an answer, with people like you in the fight. How long do you think it will last?