Too old to read?

I didn't say you never sold any, I said you've never sold to porn customers. You sell to pornographers - your consumer business completely failed.

33 years and you've only shot 4000ish scenes (mostly pictures)? You're kinda slow, no wonder you really never had enough money to do anything in this Industry.

You see you prove you're a know nothing fool.

www.astral-blue.com based on content I sold to consumers via post.

www.paulmarkhamteens.com content I sell to surfers.

Can you give me a link to your "selling to consumer" sites?

If those sites had failed, why are they still up and getting joins?

Okay but now we're talking about updating at least once a month. Look at it from the POV of both the surfer and the affiliate promoting them on a revshare basis. What incentive does the surfer have to not cancel their membership if there is likely not going to be any new content next month? It makes a big difference.

It's also a good idea to update the tour so that returning customers who canceled will be more likely to join since they will know they haven't seen it all before.

Too stupid to think.

We shot for the magazine market, there's a finite number of sets you can sell to that market. The standards are high, the market is limited the ROI on investment is 10 times what what custom shooter earn.

We earnt so much I have to be honest and say we didn't need to open paysites, even with hind sight we wouldn't of changed the route we took. Saw too many lame asses like you running pip squeak businesses to think it was the pot of gold many talked about.

We're still here, many of them are gone.

Bye, bye.

Your astral blue site has malware on it.

Not to bust your balls Paul... the only sales you get is through review sites, max 3 a day - if you're lucky... You don't promote to customers, you don't have enough members to even get a response from polls, you don't sell any other niches, you don't know shit about your own customers - let alone mine.

Paysites can do a couple sales a month and cover the costs.. for sure when you're not shooting anything new.

I get a malware warning when I enter astral-blue.com, maybe you should look that up.

They expect what is sold to them on our a tour... period!

What you're doing, is telling them what to expect - when that wasn't sold to them. If you have 5 scenes on a tour, don't talk about updates, etc - a member expects 5 scenes, that's it! If you sell updates - then they expect that...

We all know you shot for crap magazines... you haven't shut up about it.

You didn't earn millions yearly... so while you're still here begging for scraps off your old out dated porn, they're retired living it up.

I'm going to have fun with you... from here out I will make it a point to rail your ass in every thread, guaranteed.

Well they aren't stupid. If you never update and they can tell this by the fact that they never see any new updates why wouldn't they cancel? Do you buy the same Movie on DVD over and over again? Would you subscribe to HBO for one year if all they did was show the same 5 movies over and over with no updates? Of course you wouldn't. :) If you're not updating once a month you're significantly hurting your rebill rate. I know this doesn't mean as much to many sponsors who now focus mainly cross sales and carding schemes but back in the day retention was one of the primary concerns that a paysite operator had.

Back to talking business with the sensible. :thumbsup

For a site updating once a day on solo the cost is $6,000 a month, lesbian $15000, BG $30,000 a month. After processing, affiliates and content production what's the return on that investment?

And it's only 15 scenes, I based it on 1 set or video each day. If the site owner makes $10 on the the extra month he needs 600 retained members to pay for the updates on a solo girl site alone to pay for the updates only.

Is it really worth it for the member to spend $30 for the extra month or come back in 3 months and get 45 new scenes for $30? The figures are adjustable to fir the site.

If the content is exceptional and not duplicated on numerous sites elsewhere on the Internet yes. www.astral-blue.com does very good retention. But even that site has people canceling as soon as they join and then coming back in a few months.

Yes regular updates are good, if they make a profit.

It's not about being stupid - everyone, including you - only expect what is sold to you. YOU are in the Industry and EXPECT everyone to match a standard YOU set. But that isn't what our buyers expect...

How many people do you know with 100's or even 1000's of dvd's or games? Why do people buy them to watch/play them over and over again?

People will spend $50 on a single porn dvd... it might be a good dvd, but it's still $50 for just one movie. Big price, one thing, it makes no difference - it's what is sold to them!

Selling archived sites or archived content to best scenes, isn't really anything new. Normally these sites don't update, they still charge monthly but less than the main site - and even members - that can access the same content in the main site that updates, will purchase the archive for the simple fact of making it easy for them to find their favorite stuff quickly - and they do retain, just like the main site.

This works with everything sold in the world.. If you're not sold/given free oil changes with your new car, you don't simply expect them because the last new car had them - for sure if you don't ask. Normally we end up placing that value some where else, in something else that was sold to us.

The problem with updating comes down to one thing. ROI.

If it's not worth it it won't happen, if it is it will happen.

Often many site think it's about the numbers of updates. Sites have 1,000s of videos and still add 3 more every day that are duplicates of the same content they and 100s of other sites have.

The customer is far brighter than that. He knows for his $30 he can hang around on site A to get 30 more updates for his $30. Or go to another site and get 300+ for his $30.

What would you choose?

And don't tell me if it's exclusive, it's the same cloned scene that's on most sites. The better choice is 300+ scenes shot by another guy rather than the 30 scenes shot by the same guy. FEW shooters or models have that much talent to keep someone glued to the site.

If you want real retention you have to look at why products that do retain, do so well.

People buy Ford cars over and over again because they are good value, they buy Rolls Royces because they are superior products. In the porn world no one can match the retention of buyers like Playboy, Hustler, Barely Legal, Evil Angel, Private in the old days, Vivid, Anabolic etc. These made a great product that customers bought month after month. The magazines had 1/3 to 1/4 of their sales on yearly subscriptions.

One common factor in them all was they paid the best money to keep buyers buying.

The adult Internet decided content was to be bought as cheap as possible and as much money as possible was to be spent on finding new customers to replace the ones leaving. Worked bloody well for a few years. Welcome to 2011. :Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap

The customers won't stay if you want to give them a cheap product. That rules applies if you're selling porn, Jumbo Jets or Baked Beans. New customers don't replace old ones because the new customers, as far as porn is concerned, are on Tubes. They know from the crap on those that few sites have little better to offer.

Maybe adding live scenes might break the cycle. Adding more of the same poor to medium of what the site already has won't. We have been on that cycle for years.