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If your target audience is in the US OVH is not the place to host. |
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Here is a me simulating a person in San Diego trying to grab a file from Paris: Traceroute from my server to person in SD (ie the path the file will take) Code:
traceroute 204.152.194.186Now download from server in Paris to Server in SD: Code:
wget http://borkedcoder.com/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdfWhere's the problem? I'd say that is damn great connectivity. |
Go ahead - download that Magazine of theirs from last year (it's all in french though) - makes excellent geek reading!
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OVH has 5 DCs in France, all their own, built by them, owned by them. Their other european routes are their peers. However, they laid the cable to those peering points and own that cable*. Therefore it is their network. All those major peering points are redundant ie in a loop. What is your point? *I'm not 100% sure on all those points in their european network, but for the major points, they are their own masters. |
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1 Position d?OVH en France dans le domaine de l?hébergement Internet, et en Europe en hébergement de serveurs dédiésand that was last year - this month they just made major network changes... 400,000 clients cannot be wrong. all that for a company that is only 12 years old. |
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traceroute to yellowfiber.com (67.23.123.226), 30 hops max, 40 byte packetsHow does your traceroute to ovh.com look? So far, I've tested 2 routes to the US and both have been excellent. Any more? Cos if not, your call of US connectivity being awful is well, wrong :2 cents: --edit go on then let's test some more: Code:
traceroute to webair.com (209.200.29.36), 30 hops max, 40 byte packetsCode:
traceroute to mojohost.com (64.59.69.66), 30 hops max, 40 byte packetsErgo, no problem with hosting with OVH for US-based customers. Anyone want to send a traceroute of their DC to ovh to see if the same can be said of these US DCs? |
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[spudstr@yf~]# traceroute ovh.comListen, I am not saying OVH is bad. Ovh is very large and well known and do a good job at what they do. The main reason OVH offers such pricing is because of their peering relationships with ISPS, yes they have a lot of peering, for things they don't peer they send out their transit lines. I.e bandwidth they buy. For the longest time ovh struggled to lots of places out side of the EU i.e US based ISPS. If you trace to someone like us, or quadranet or related due to peering, a network will send a peering partner their originating prefixes and their _customers_ prefixes. so in your first trace to quadranet you go OVH to mzima then to quadra, I"m pretty confident OVH and Mzima now known as Packet Exchange who is a very large EU network peer in.. wait for it.. Amsterdam in AMS-IX. Hit end users in various networks in the states, Comcast, Cox, Paetec/Frontier/Cavtel etc. The eyeball networks. Hitting another hosting company is probably going to yield good speeds due to peering relationships. Lets look at the states. Code:
traceroute to 204.152.194.186 (204.152.194.186), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
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That is *exactly* why I gave that test doc as a download test (just happens to be a frikken excellent magazine too) to see IF US people could get good speeds. For the record, that QN traceroute and download only worked in that direction - if I showed the other way it would be frikken awful. But I am not out on a smear campaign - I am purely trying to let people know of the others available (and maybe take in some admin'ing duties in the meantime). Like people have mentioned in this thread (yourself included), people simply say 'Impossible for OVH to offer those prices with quality service, their transit sucks to the US etc etc" and it's well, just bullshit. That is what I am debunking. OVH have had their problems, sure like every other DC, but shit, what they've accomplished in 12 years - they get a hat off to them. I took chrage of my first dedicated server in 1996. I have gone from host to host to host since then (always US, once UK2.net) and now OVH. AND I can tell you, I have *never* felt at home in any other DC as I have at OVH. They give me, a server admin, every single tool I could need to monitor, problem solve, problem detect. Never before have I had that amount of control over my server. And that is EXACTLY what I want. Now they give me the same control over telephones and my personal ADSL/SDSL line. I am for once fully in control of everything I do on the internet, and it's thanks to them. So I'm sending them some free pub. Shit, it did turn into a thread high jack. |
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Lets look at their peeringdb entry. http://www.yellowfiber.net/clients/S...59.26%20PM.png and http://www.yellowfiber.net/clients/S...59.39%20PM.png Now this is just public peering capacity at the given points not to mention "private" peering they have as well that is undisclosed. If you REALLY think they have MORE capacity to their paid transit lines than what they have in peering then you really need to read more about how networks actually operate. Ovh is also known for saturating circuits and not caring about it. Its pretty clear that 4pm EST on a saturday is not prime time. Ovh is not the end-all/king of everything so please get off your high horse, they do a great job yes but they are not the total solution. IIRC they wont even sell a server to someone in the states and their policy was no one could resell their service either. |
As I don't have a US ADSL line, can all US (hey, canada+world too) people tell me their download speeds on this file from two different servers:
NOTE: this download must be your home/office connection, NOT your server!! 1: http://204.152.194.186/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf 2: http://178.33.218.112/tmp/OVH-MAG-2010.pdf |
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1. none of my B2B customers have even uttered a breath since I switched to OVH. Hell, I don't think they even noticed. And I have 16 million daily B2B hits. When shit slows down (like it did in mid-Jan when I tried their cloud setup), I heard about it, so my customers are not simply not alert. 2. Google - my site has dropped from an average 4 second load time to 1.1 second load time since I switched. 3. My B2B traffic went up from 5mill to 8 mill in July last year because of some changes I made. In Dec when I moved to OVH, and I shit you not, it jumped to 12 mill almost from the day I switched DNS over to the new server. WTF that was all about I've no idea (my code tracking hits). 4. My bandwidth was a steady 4.3 Mbs at the switch at my old host. When I switched it dropped to a steady 1.1 Mbs at the switch. Ehm, same traffic, actually nearly 4million hits more per day yet nearly 4x less bandwidth. WTF that all about? 5. I can now frikken *do* shit with my stuff. I need geo-ips, they give them to me, I need a virtual bay of 4 servers (3 diff DCs), they give that to me. I couldn't give a rat about connectivity if me, in my office sees a massive, massive drop in headaches following a DC move. I've maxed out my ADSL line on download tests with every single US host I've been with, only to find they were only ever rectified whenever I moaned. Guaranteed every single one went back to <50% speed in under 6 months. Of course, OVH isn't for everyone, I'm just letting people know they are frikken good and a lot better a ISP than I have ever known in my life. If your customers get lousy speeds with them, they are not for you. I also heard by their mailing lists, they are building a DC in the US... *cough* Freedom of choice is what it's all about. |
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Of course they're known for it - they even say it themselves :1orglaugh:1orglaugh If you order their entry level Kimsumfi range and get 100Mbs they have said on their forums (or in their mailing lists, but I could dig it out), you will not get the same access as their HG servers which have 40Tb bandwidth and an own infrastructure dedicated to them. That is what their SLA Standard, SLA Premium, SLA business bandwidth levels are all about.... It isn't hidden, so don't make out like it's something they try and hide. -edit on this point: Quote:
On those grabs, there are checkboxes checked that you can uncheck - what's that all about? |
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was setup to sell servers to the US and Canada (shit, anyone not in the UK and mainland Europe really - no vat) And yes, I resell and have a customer support ticket stating that while they don't have a reseller program, they allow clients to resell under their nichandle. Under those terms, you are liable for all etc etc, and the disclaimer for reselling, you would need xyz because bandwidth is grouped under normal non-pro setups. ie 40Tb is per infrastructure, so to resell them, you'd need xyz to be able to offer the same independently. So, yes, you are wrong. Problem is being a french company, if you don't speak french, you may find it hard to communicate (only 11 of their 300 team are native english speaking). Can I resell you some stuff for yellowfiber? |
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for a 100Mbs fiber connection, I'd expect more from both. to add to the record, on a 28Mbs ADSl line (but because of attenuation, only 15Mbs can be max in thory), I get (a wget avg) of 610K on the first and 1.1MB on the second. |
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So the lesson from this is Spudstr from YellowFiber concedes that if you run a massive tube network (you know, those frikken massive TB-sucking content things) and deliver it over CDN for best end-user speeds, you'd be better off hosting with OVH cos their prices are shit low, their DC connectivity is great and well, the CDN takes over the last mile to deliver shit fast content delivery to your customers. Hell, in that situation the increased costs in implementing a quality CDN are covered by the decreased costs in switching ISP. :thumbsup |
Tracing OVH from NJ
C:\>tracert ovh.com Tracing route to ovh.com [213.186.33.34] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.63.192.1 3 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms dstswr2-vlan4.rh.brfdnj.cv.net [67.83.242.194] 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 13 ms 13 ms 19 ms 64.15.2.97 6 9 ms 11 ms 9 ms 64.15.0.145 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. |
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No, I asked for download speeds from those two URLs :winkwink: In any case, here's a reverse from ovh to you (well, your last public IP) Code:
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100% meanwhile, marge knows what it's all about. You can see her controlling her asterisk phone from the driver's seat.... |
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but that direction is not important in a US client base setup, it's OVH to US.... that is the path that is important for speeds. --edit, I'll send the reverse traceroute if you do it in the next 5 mins.... |
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C:\>tracert borkedcoder.com Tracing route to borkedcoder.com [178.33.218.112] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.63.192.1 3 8 ms 10 ms 7 ms dstswr2-vlan2.rh.brfdnj.cv.net [67.83.242.162] 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms 64.15.2.125 6 161 ms 101 ms 198 ms 64.15.0.65 7 14 ms 14 ms * paix.ny.routers.ovh.net [198.32.118.106] 8 161 ms * 260 ms ldn-1-6k.uk.eu [213.251.128.30] 9 91 ms 85 ms 92 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.131.177] 10 86 ms 104 ms 85 ms vss-3-6k.fr.eu [94.23.122.93] 11 * * * Request timed out. ... Trace complete. back to SSDs, i'm looking forward trying them out on my workstation later this year |
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The second link I hit 1.1mb/s This is on a comcast 16mb/s cable connection in Minneapolis, MN USA. Also, I've ran my own servers since about 1997 and I've never used managed servers. Always unmanaged. So your 99% guess is probably a little off. Maybe not by much, it seems like everyone on GFY uses managed hosting which really surprised me when I joined here. |
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