While the jobs themselves might be in the private sector, without government increasing spending, they would never of existed. you are thanking the president for creating more jobs, so...

The fact that I didn't copy what you said, is proof that you're jacked on your moms queefs again.

And hahaha... boy could you make yourself look anymore stupid - my wife is in this Industry, idiot.

Someone brought Vendzilla's daughter into this? Who would bring a guy's daughter into a discussion on a porn forum?

OH WAIT

It was Vendzilla bringing her up himself. Idiot.

Hate to see that you pushed your daughter into becoming a hit man, if you're at all a good parent you would be begging her right now to forgive you for being such an idiot.

Lots of people kill for money so she wouldn't have been the first to sign up for something like that but it's a shame that your daughter will never again be a good person.

Sign up to be a killer = bad person, for life. Way to ruin your family, dummy.

This is speculative, and bullshit at that. There's nothing to even suggest something like that. Do you understand economics at all? Keep rationalizing though.

Haha, not only are you a stupid porn peddler, but so is your wife? If you have one, I mean no disrespect to her because I feel sorry for her. I sincerely hope she's not doing the actual movies. Yea, you're definitely legally retarded.:1orglaugh

Unemployment is at 9%, been there for 2 years, is that made up?



For your arguments sake, I guess not


And what was the result? They failed to do what Reagan did.
Sort of like if it wernt for the stimlus package, unemployment would have reached 8%?


Show me a link. I went off Wikipedia and found several others, thts what they told us before we went into Japan on liberty.

I didn't know you were mentally challenged, I mean WTF are you talking about?

Hahaha, your statement overly proves that you're a fake nobody in this Industry. :1orglaugh

We need another Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was all about removing those government restrictions and letting the private sector grow, it worked, why would you think that something else is better?

Or maybe spending money we DON'T have is a good thing?

Too bad politicians can only think of their legacy and not their country, country first, that's their legacy!

Top 3 presidents
Washington , pretty damn brave to start this

Lincoln, ran the country in the darkest of it's history, freed the slaves, under him the army was integrated, even though he really didn't have a choice, they needed the manpower

Reagan
Ended the cold war without going to war

Unemployment went up to 9.6% while Reagan was in office, what's your point? It was AFTER 2 years that it started to drop, AFTER he spent money in a stimulus style of the time - that you now hate with Obama.


Reagan was the 3rd round of cold war buildup's. The others failed to have a Russian leader that was willing to work towards peace, making what they did fail - that is correct.


Maybe if the stimulus package was actually all spent... giving it the ability to do that, then maybe we could make that reach. But really not at all, being that a different leader is responsible for it falling.


It's tradition to shake someone's hand here too, we don't really look down on those that hug us, or forget to shake hands - unless we attempted and they did nothing - then we get a bit snuffed over it. Hummm, probably like anyone else would if we didn't honor basic traditions but probably like us we won't get pissed if they don't get it perfectly right.

It's called logic...

I guess I've traveled the world and simply know that basically only the French are stuck enough up to douche you over if you don't get a tradition right.

Very much so. The number is over 20% and over 40% of working aged Americans only have part time jobs. :2 cents:

The cold war ended during President Reagan's term in office but he did not end the cold war. The credit for ending the cold war goes to every administration since 1945...since they all had virtually the same policies towards the Soviet Union. It was this extended policy over the years that brought the end to the cold war...the Soviets could no longer sustain the competition between the two nations. President Reagan only did what all of the other Presidents before him did and that was to keep the pressure on the Soviets.

you said, thank you mr president for increasing spending and creating 16 million jobs. what else is there to get from that?

removing restrictions and letting corporations run amuck is not a good thing in the long run. we've all seen the results of that.

The rates are the same, their methods differ, or didn't you get the memo?

Do you cry over spilt milk? Has nothing to do with the circumstances, it happened under Reagan.


So you're blaming bad management? Obama being in charge of that management?

I love how you argue with logic that doesn't work.
I keep remembering Bruce Lee kicking that guy in the head while he was bowing

Reagan understood that and started Star Wars and got OPEC to increase oil production, Star wars cost too much for them to keep up and the cost of oil went down to take money from the USSR, this pretty much bankrupted them.

The fact that he did one and the other as well? It would be a ridiculous stretch to come to the conclusion that you just did.

What methods differ? They both spent money on job growth, how is that a different method? Reagan spent a hell of a lot more for the time. Something today, you people are going crazy over with Obama - no wait, you ARE going crazy over the same thing!


Well then, technically Wiki has USSR marked to 1991, wasn't that Bush?


Not at all.. even if it was all spent you still couldn't make that comparison.


Yes, logically because that is how the world actually works if you don't live in the culture. Respect is given for trying to learn/use the culture-traditions, it's very common. It's not common to expect or hold others to the same standard outside of your culture.

Because Obama was starting to spar the Emperor of Japan. :1orglaugh

nice birthday thread

Reagan got the money to the jobs, Barry got the money to the bureaucracy


dieing during Reagan, final breathe during Bush, Christmas in 1991

The first free elections in over seventy years occurred in 1989 and reformist politicians swept into power in regional positions across the nation


Why can't I? The money was wasted on bureaucracy
I took years of martial arts, Korean, I think I got the whole bowing thing down

Well I knew this was going to happen, most every GOP congressmen right now is rallying around him being the best Conserative of all time. So the liberal hate mongers got on here and insulted me using my daughter of all things, fucking low.

He was just a great president to me.

Oh please..... both BORROWED the money, BOTH gave a shit ton directly to corporations! The only difference between what they did was, Reagan spent a hell of a lot more money for the time.


Hehe, what year did Bush take office? The point was to show that it happened over a spam of Presidents. Reagan is not responsible for the fall, just like Bush isn't... It's was the combined effort - and the fact that Reagan went back to the policies we had already put in place - rather than almost starting another war by being a dick head - proves he was wrong with his policies.



It's always wasteful. Come on, Reagan was the first to borrow money like he did, doubled our deficit... you don't think his spending didn't come with some bureaucracy? Have you never read anything about him before, ever, outside of Wiki?


Okay? Maybe that will come in handy if you're about to spar someone, I guess...

Reagan got results, still waiting for Barry


You're not going to give anyone credit so why are you bothering with this? According to you the Easter bunny had something to do wit it?



I didn't see 10k dollar signs on the freeways in the 80's
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/signs...ry?id=11163180


It's part of the culture, same thing, bowing lower to your superior is the norm

If you're waiting on Results and using Reagan to compare with, you would need to wait another year for jobs and like 4 more year housing and the rest the eco to turn around.

So I expect I won't hear another bitch or complaint from you about Obama for at least another two years. It was after all Reagan's second term when things fully turned around. And in his first, like Obama - various things ARE and DID turn around.


I gave all Presidents that it happened under credit... I didn't give it all to one because one didn't make it happen.

And if I had to give credit to a single person, it would Gorbachev. The actual person that opened the door of change for the them.


That's because he was busy feeding banks, borrowing money, and putting our Country on a path of destruction it has never recovered from. And pretending like some over spending didn't happen - truly, even half ass trying to make that sound as if it's true, really - shows how blindly you bow to Reagan and instantly reject Obama - simply because.


Yawn... again it's NOT part of the culture to expect others to do exactly as you do or hold them to the same standards. And it is considered very polite, to double bow in Japan - it's like saying hello with the double hand shake.

But hey... to you it can only mean one thing, Obama telling Japan we are inferior... hahaha.

Im not the only one that feels that his approach has failed, you remember the midterm elections, worse loss of a party in 70 years?

I love how you argue this till you hope I give up and call it win, it's not. If you don't think Reagan gets any credit for it, then fine, you still believe that adding 30+million people on entitlements is going to save money!


That path happened over how long. I mean the democrats had control of the house and senate for the last 4 years, but you are going to blame the GOP?


So you're saying that Barry was not informed about the customs on bowing?

That just proves how stupid many people are, they can't remember modern history.

Oh my, that was so normal... it had been going heavy one-way for for awhile, this was expected before Obama was even name to became President.

Is this really a factor you guys look at? Hahaha..


I'm not trying to change your opinion... I'm trying to show how hypocritical your thoughts are on the subject.

We aren't talking about saving money and it has nothing to do with what we're talking about.


See... you can't tell the difference between Presidents. That's what Reagan was doing and yes Bush did it too.




Sure.. probably more like, nobody gave a fuck because it's not important...

Reagan brought the wall down... I haven't laughed so hard the whole week.

I have nothing against him, about his impact on american economics and politics i don't know enough. But he had as much influence on the Berlin wall coming down as had David Hasselhoff - just a few words from an actor.

George Bush Sen. deserves a lot of respect for what he did and first and foremost a big percentage of the 16 million eastern germans who went out demonstrating every week despite of the danger of being arrested.

I love how you laugh about and offer nothing in substance as to the difference.

There were a lot of factors that both brought down the wall and ended the USSR, but Reagan was a major factor in that, to deny that would be to rewrite history.

you like covert wars?
you like big government spending and deficits?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

reagan was one of many who saw the writting on the wall (no pun intended) and used the opportunity to make it look like he was responsible for something that was an eventuality. i really don't think reagan is up there with washington and lincoln. thats a far stretch, in my opinion.

They were heavy democratic leaning 2 years ago, what changed? Or are you going to argue Fox news is responsible?



How can this be hypocritical? Where the hell did that come from?

Just stating that you also believe that putting 30+million on entitlements will save money, so you are probably going to believe anything!


Reagan and Bush were spending 10k dollars on signs to tell people where the money was going? Totals of over 20 million?


If he didn't give a fuck, then why are you defending him?

Happy Birthday to the Gipper!

Try answering the questions, the big deficits are going on right now

So you don't think that Reagan getting the OPEC to increase oil production lowering the income of the USSR in oil export had nothing to do with the economy of the USSR?
Or that the competitive nature during the cold war gave the US an edge when we simple out spent them? Causing more economic harm?
We were a lot better off after Reagan was in office compared to when Carter was in office and the cold war was over

I see you have an outdated chart, is all of your arguments outdated as well?

great job on celebrating the man that invented them

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-President.gif
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

outdated? lmfao. you idiot. do you think facts have an expiration date? lmfao

And he did plenty of things...just not the things you wanted. Your argument switch is pointless as well.


Because without question you hate Obama for the same type of crap Reagan did. You even admitted a few times things were the same... but wont recognize that you haven't given Obama near the time Reagan was given. The hypocrisy runs thick in this thread.


First, this has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but if it did - you believe Reagan made the wall come down and the soviets fall, which is laughable to anyone that has ever studied history.

So even if I do believe that... it equals out with your beliefs.


Did I say they did? Are you now pretending that Bush, didn't over spend on stupid shit? And Reagan was perfect too, and never spent money on stupid shit? Oh the hypocrisy... the hypocrisy.


Because you judge him.... mostly for the same things other Presidents have done, that you support when they do it. I just hate twisted, viewed, slanted hypocrisy such as that.

Outdated? Reagan doubled the deficit, in the 80's... and we don't need to see that it's going up to know it's still going up, that's the point - look the mighty Reagan CREATED IT!

Obama simply copied your boy Reagan... and if you would look at what Obama has actually done, you would see a hell of a lot more Reagan than you would want shining through.

That was the rudest thing I've ever seen on GFY. You should be banned from the industry for making such a comment. I can't believe anyone wants to do business with someone who talks smack about someone's daughter.

Zero fucking class.

What made Reagan a GREAT president in my book was the following:

Paul Volcker had a plan to FUCK INFLATION once and for all. However, it will be EXTREMELY PAINFUL. Reagan bit the bullet. He put the country first instead of his reelection chances. If the plan went to shit, he knows he will go down as one of the most hated presidents. The chances of success were slim. But he knew that STAGFLATION is NOT the destiny of the American people. So he took the hit.

The same goes with spending cuts. America was well on its way to being a social democratic state (socialist), he dug his heels and cut spending and cut taxes. Very unpopular.

The result was the LONGEST peacetime economic expansion in the USA.

My favorite speech of his was the "shining city on a hill".

it wouldn't make sense to try to convince you from anything else than your own opinion anyways :2 cents:

but you can hardly educate me on my own history

I don't give a fuck...

Reagan increased spending more than any President in History. And his tax cuts had to be reversed, even though he took in more tax revenue, it was only the money he dished out, so it wasn't enough to pay anything back ie: massive deficit growth.

The rest is spot on though... Why does he get credit for peacetime expansion when it happened under other Presidents that reversed his policies?

And again, you offer nothing to the debate, come on, please atleast try!

Reagan got more for the money and yes, your chart doesn't reflect Obama, that's why it's outdated

The problem with regulations is that if they can move the business to mexico and aviod those regulations, and save money, they will.

We need employers here in the US

You have no idea if he got more for the money or not... and we're talking about Reagan, not anyone afterward. The chart shows the increase that started with HIS Presidency, we already know it has continued on - that has been brought up already.

And if we reflected what Obama has spent, by his doing directly.. It is a micro percentage compared to either Reagan or Bush Jr. A correction of the books, a proper non-hidden budget, isn't increased spending on Obama's part, it's the truth of what was already being spent, which you incorrectly blame on him.

If words brought the wall down (ie: what Reagan did) then this mans words had a far larger impact than JFK or Reagan's words, combined...

From within, East Berlin. “I want to tell you, I’m not here for or against any government. I came here to play rock ‘n’ roll for you East Berliners in the hope that one day all the barriers will be torn down”......And the crowd went wild after he made his bold appeal, according to newspaper reports at the time. source

- Bruce Springsteen 16 months before the Wall collapsed, live convert and on national tv.