I don't think this will have the same effect on Iraq and Afghanistan becoming a world power.

By nuking Japan the US ended WW2 in a very dirty way mass murdering civilians, but war is dirty. The Japs where cold hearted bastards and maybe this was the only way to stop them.

My grandfather fought against the Japs in WW2 while my father and the rest of the family was locked up in Japanese war camps. My family never talked that much about that time but from the things they told me that period was quite horror.

Do you know anything about Japanese culture at all? Death is something they embrace with pride. To die defending their country is an HONOR. Ever heard of Seppuku? Bonzaiiiii? They have a much higher cost tolerance (in terms of death) than any western country.

Now we can't say for sure, because it didn't happen, but there's evidence that supports our military's decision to drop the bomb's instead of invade was the right decision.

I don't believe they would have surrendered like they did with just an invasion. That's just my 2 cents.

Yeah, slightly...

They're little trees aren't they? Do you mean Banzai?

How many people died in the crusades?

after seeing his speech i have to say that if he wasnt the guy who used to be their leader he would have been locked away in some mental facility long ago

he's on his *americans are the only ones who have dropped the bomb* bandwagon. what's lacking is his ability to look at and understand events as they developed AT THAT TIME. not in hindsight.

Are you serious?

1. Japan struck first at Pearl Harbor.
2. The US usage of the bomb avoided the need for an invasion of the Japanese mainland, and saved tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives of the very same people which the Japanese preemptively attacked in the beginning.
3. Then Japan surrendered, which saved the rest of the Japanese population from being even worse off (read: annihilated).

War is cruel, ugly, and never something to be proud of, on any side, ever. But you have to remember, the Japanese brought it upon themselves, and as Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto said after the attack on Pearl Harbor which he led (before the US shot his ass down out of the sky in 1943) "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve". Yamamoto, you were right.


Sorry moeloubani, but the thesis of your statement holds no water.

You are truly deluded, and for want of a better term, downright unfucking-believable.


No, one was an act of war, done for the purposes of putting an early end to it. Period. The other was as you say, a blatant act of murder. Too bad you can't draw the distinction.

Sorry to once again burst your bubble but many of those innocent people as you refer to them were working in factories and in other industries that supported their country's war effort. Guns, munitions, uniforms, food production, whatever, you can bet a good portion was supporting their military in some way. Does it suck those people died? Of course it does. Again, the Japanese knew the risks when they started the war. They paid a heavy penalty, but you sitting there 60-odd years later laying blame on the US is, well, boneheaded.

Could have, but they didn't.

Yes I can, since as I said they were asked several times before the first nuke was dropped to surrender, they refused every time. They were asked after the 1st bomb was dropped, they refused. There is no reason to assume that had the US not dropped the bomb and instead launched a massive attack on Japan itself that the Japs would have surrendered until the last of them fell (along with no doubt several hundred thousand Americans)

Neither can you.

See above.



Your demented slant on WWII has now been fully dealt with. I hope you learned something here today moolaboobie.

Cheers.

i've argued with moe ad infinitum about dropping those bombs to end world war 2 and he refuses to budge from his view.

just a heads up, carry on.

50 retarded threads.

he won't, he is not thaaaaaaaaaaat stupid

Very. but that's the whole point.

dvtimes = muppet

Gaddafi = illuminati puppet

you gotta be fucking kidding me??

WE DECLARED WAR ON JAPAN. SO WE DROPPED THE BOMB JUST AS MUCH AS THE AMERICANS.

WE saved Canadian lives with that act and WE won the war as ALLIES.


now write that down, remember it, then go sign up to a nice community college near you and carry on reading books and not websites for learning because you don't seem to have an edit feature or a real grasp on where to find the truth when you need it to use in an argument.

Right, and by that same logic we also dropped a nuclear bomb on Italy because they were allied with Japan. Except we didn't drop a bomb on Italy, it was dropped on Japan, and the Canadians didn't drop a nuclear bomb on Japan, it was the Americans. Just because we allied with them it doesn't mean we did it too, because we didn't it was them. Lame attempt at having any clue what you are talking about, I suggest you go back to the basics and learn basic logic before you start preaching to people. Wish I could say nice try. :(

Lives weren't saved, the US simply decided they would murder the Japanese at will, indiscriminately until they surrendered. The option of a compromise was always there, but the US will gladly kill innocent civilians before they even consider a compromise. When the next Word War happens and some country comes in and starts just offing American civilians at will - don't be mad because Americans were the ones that started that carnage.

Moe you need to shut the fuck you're embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge. I know you think you know but you're clueless. Lemme guess you are a young 20 something that just graduated or is about to. You think you know everything about the world.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Love when the personal attacks come out from people who haven't added anything valuable to the discussion. Did you just want to vent or something? Or did you have something to add to the discussion other than acting like a little kid? Asking me to 'shut the fuck' shut the fuck what? Did you mean to say shut the fuck up but in your rage and anger forgot the up?

Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion. Happy you got to get your rage out, you done or did you want more??

get ready for the oil companies to mallick us

why why why???

wow this so much false knowledge and interpretation of history in this thread by everyone

read and read between lines morans

Am I right about your age? Stop trying to represent canadians with your idocity. As much as I don't agree with american policy you take it to a whole new level. Once again you're either in uni or just finished right??