Originally Posted by HerPimp (Post 17959297)

Shut down all public schools.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17959218)

So how do you explain the 6 years the GOP controled everything from 2001-2007? Oh wait you were still in high school for most of that KID. WTF do you know about life?

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17959208)

The extreme left is MSNBC. Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, etc, etc. They're all just as bad if not worse than Glenn Beck or the other shows aired on Fox news.

Even in their news reporting they're ridiculously biased, skewing and often blatantly lying.

Here is an example, in a state where everyone carries weapons, reporters called them white racists, all while hiding a black man carrying a AR-15 in the background.



http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...26e88c0e20.jpg

In the morning news leading up to the 2008 election, they used FAKE photo-shopped pictures of Sarah Palin, (and later apologized).

http://newsbusters.org/

Here is what Chris Mathews said about people who disagree with Obama's policies.

"They go back to the old nativist root, this old dark night of the soul thing that people worry about, a black man in a White House. And they start working on that. 'Oh, he's a Mau Mau. He goes back to a Muslim background.'"

"It's using race. It's using the paranoid fear of whites of black males against this President whose life has been spotless, has been the American dream."

Insinuating that anyone who is against Obama's policies is a white racist who are paranoid of black males? That sounds like FAR extreme left political bullshit to me.

As for Canada, it has nothing to do with Fox News specifically lying, it has to do with their bias and being right wing. Canada is a model for liberal democracy. MSNBC isn't aired there either, they were shutoff in Canada in 2004.

Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17959266)

My wife's a teacher at the district office. I know what the average base pay of a teacher is and its not always $50k. There is some places that the base pay $75k. Depends on level of education and district. Teachers at lower income school districts get higher base pay then wealthier districts.

She first joined the union because in her application it appeared that she had too. Later we found out that it was false. During that time there was a push to get teachers to join, so the local union effort found a way to trick teachers into joining the union. After a enough signatures were collected. Bam! New teachers union was created.

Not to long ago we found a article with the public database for the the Orange county school district (Here). So we did a search and found the highest paid teacher in the district was this person, who was mentioned in the article (Mark Dressler). He is just a drama teacher for goodness sakes. What the fuck does he do to deserver $170K per year? And he will get a 2% bump for next year and if he applies to teach another class he will get another stipen ($26k).

Me and my wife have watched countless useless projects get funded and not even be used in the classroom. Hundreds of thousands of dollars just go to waste. Watch one particular teacher spend the last 8 years of her career getting "hurt" at the beginning of the year never come back until the last month before summer break and the repeat the process for 8 straight years. This made sure she got her pension. I think she reached the 35 year mark and gets 85 to 90 percent of her pay.

Unions did a great job to make loop holes as well. My wife works 8 to 10 hours every day and has certain benefits for it. Take the same teacher but decides to work part time and for most of her career and then the last 5 years or 3 years goes to full time status before she retires. Why? Because her pension is based on the last 3 or 5 years of her base pay before retirement. She gets the same pension as any teacher that worked full time for the same amount of years.

Let?s not stop there. Every election cycle there is always a push in the teachers union for specific candidate. My wife hates that her union uses her contributions, that she is obligated to pay every month, to elect a person that we don?t want elected.

Let?s go further. Here in California, the unions are strong. They out spent the campaign to remove unions from being able to contribute to election campaigns by 6 to 1(I believe, I could be wrong about the ratio). To say the least they destroyed the hope of having fair elections in California and change the electoral map for the better and really represent the people. Not one incumbent lost in the past 3 election cycles. California is without a shadow of a doubt votes Democratic local and Republican statewide. There is no question that this is a Democrat state with a Republican Governor bought and paid for with Union money.

Here we have a lot of strong unions and 55% of California?s expenditure budget goes to education (K-12 and Higher Education). That?s for the fiscal year 2011-2012. This gets us a rank of 47 in SAT test scores. WTF?!!!! California went from 5th largest economy in the world to 9th. WTF?!!!!! Silicon valley is gone. Real estate is in the shitter. Mexican activists and unions run this state. And these are your results. It is absolutely insane what the pie chart looks like for the states budget.

And now we need to pay more taxes for fucking unions. They scream and shout about being fair. Fuck you!!! Stop influenceing elections. And bargaining with the politicians you bought. How does a politician, sitting across the table from the guy who helped get him elected, say no to what he wants? He doesnt!!!! Case in point, Richard Trumka and Obama. God Damn socialist assholes. Who want nothing more to take your money and my money away through democracy.

I guess you can say I feel strongly about this.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17959328)

Where would you then suggest kids get their education? Private school? How will they pay for it?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17959588)

In Texas.... they think the church and community will educate your kids if they secede.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17957692)

Funny.....

The sad part isn't that fox news actually spews this trash and gets away with it, day after day and year after year, no, no... that isn't the sad part. The sad part is all the sheep that listen to them and actually take in the trash they spew as fact.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17959714)

sheep = anyone you disagree with?

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17959714)

sheep = anyone you disagree with?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17959734)

this is THE quintessential internet definition of sheep.

although there should be addendum to include the fact that the *sheep* caller is also a sheep with no original thought and is simply regurgitating the accepted views of the other side.

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 17959739)

I think anyone who considers themselves to be a christian is a sheep... so I am a sheep for saying that? Hell... they even call themselves sheep. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17959579)

Sorry, I don't agree with you on most of your Teacher points, first your wife could have quit the union but didn't.

When you live in the OC and worked with a place for a long time, $170k a year isn't much money. It's piss money really. Now if you lived in back woods Texas and made that, it would be a shit ton of money.

If you don't like your states union laws or related laws work, then "you" need to get out to work to get them changes. That's how the system works, that's how it actually works, and that's exactly what unions did to get what they have.


So you sit here, bitch about unions, teachers, illegals, ect... when you ignore the "real" problem of why the money in every State and peoples investments was sucked away. And then, turn and blame people that couldn't have possibly created this at any level if they tried....

Think about what you're saying.

Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 17959746)

It's funny how over at fox they were bitching about how the ceo bonuses were written into their contract and that not allowing them to get them was breaking that contract. Once we begin breaking contracts life, liberty and the persuit of happiness were in trouble. Now the same stooges are saying we need to break the teachers' contracts. I know one's private sector and the other is public, but a contract is a contract

Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17959747)

You have to be really out of your mind that $170k is not a lot of money. She doesn?t have the option to quit the union. The only way she can quit is to quit her job. We can?t change the fucking laws in California because the unions spend more money than the reformers to change them. Unions convince the fucking sheep that "Live better, work union" is the way to go. But you can?t live better if you are not union. My wife used to have the ability to decide whether or her money could be used in political campaigns but the Union removed that option.
I have gone out there in protest and vote according to my conscience. My wife has a hard time wanting to speak up at work. She fears retribution. Unions are vicious organizations that care not for their own workers but their political agenda.
Quick example. When negotiations are going and the choice is take a pay cut, furlough days or 20 layoffs. The recommendation of the union to the voting teachers, 9 out of 10 times, is layoffs. Why? Because they rather have 480 happy voting teachers with full pay and benefits than 500 angry teachers who now may vote another way. According to the rules of seniority the 20 newest teachers without tenure would be laid off.
BTW, do fucking assume what my wife can and cannot do at her job. Also what I said before is not for you to agree with, its fact. It?s like saying, I don?t agree that the sky is blue.

Its crazy insane that $170 isn?t much money. You have a EGA as your avatar. Were you making a $100k plus per year. What I remember was not getting paid much money. I sure as hell wasn?t getting paid $100k or more per year. What do you consider a fair living wage?

Originally Posted by EZRhino (Post 17959747)

You have to be really out of your mind that $170k is not a lot of money. She doesn’t have the option to quit the union. The only way she can quit is to quit her job. We can’t change the fucking laws in California because the unions spend more money than the reformers to change them. Unions convince the fucking sheep that "Live better, work union" is the way to go. But you can’t live better if you are not union. My wife used to have the ability to decide whether or her money could be used in political campaigns but the Union removed that option.
I have gone out there in protest and vote according to my conscience. My wife has a hard time wanting to speak up at work. She fears retribution. Unions are vicious organizations that care not for their own workers but their political agenda.
Quick example. When negotiations are going and the choice is take a pay cut, furlough days or 20 layoffs. The recommendation of the union to the voting teachers, 9 out of 10 times, is layoffs. Why? Because they rather have 480 happy voting teachers with full pay and benefits than 500 angry teachers who now may vote another way. According to the rules of seniority the 20 newest teachers without tenure would be laid off.
BTW, do fucking assume what my wife can and cannot do at her job. Also what I said before is not for you to agree with, its fact. It’s like saying, I don’t agree that the sky is blue.

Its crazy insane that $170 isn’t much money. You have a EGA as your avatar. Were you making a $100k plus per year. What I remember was not getting paid much money. I sure as hell wasn’t getting paid $100k or more per year. What do you consider a fair living wage?

Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 17959739)

I think anyone who considers themselves to be a christian is a sheep... so I am a sheep for saying that? Hell... they even call themselves sheep. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17959714)

sheep = anyone you disagree with?

Originally Posted by woj (Post 17959106)

who performs more important job is debatable...

some teacher teaching 30 brats, of those maybe 1 will grow up to make a meaningful contribution to our society...

or some some "banker" who closes deals, moves $$ around, and makes investments in technologies such as the internet, computers, etc possible? you think you would have computers connected to an internet without a thriving finance industry? Where do you think the computers would come from? Who would finance construction of factories to build them? who would finance research needed to design the computer? etc

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17959821)

you have a pretty piss poor view of society. why not just kill 29 out of 30 children because they will just be useless mouth breathers taking up space that could be better used to make some huge asshole corp money (of which they will never pay taxes on because its offshore). average people keep the economy going, they are the consumers. without them, there would be no stock market, no banking industry, etc.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17959440)

I know that you're legally retarded, an embarrassment to your own industry, and society in general.:1orglaugh

Oh yea, what does 2001-2007 have to do with anything? Oh right, smokescreen for Obama's fuckup. As usual, you're a moron.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17959924)

Let me color this in crayon for you since you are mentally handicapped. You are saying things are fucked up because the democrats are in charge. Well the republicans were in charge for 6 years and things stil got fucked up. Now would you care to explain how that could have happened if the republicans are so fucking good at running things? Do you get my point now Sling Blade? Seriously YOU are an embarrassment. Not to this industry since you ADMIT you're not in it and actually despise it. Why you're still allowed to post here is a mystery. Eric must like the way you toss his salad.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17959981)

This is amusing considering I always call you mentally handicapped. It just proves my case that you're dumb beyond belief that you need to repeat me. Also, I Just called you an embarrassment and you respond with the same thing? The rest of your retarded rant has nothing to do with anything seeing as how I never insinuated anything close to it. Now do everyone a favor and keep peddling porn and being an insignificant member of society, and we'll pay our taxes to support you.


The one who can barely form a coherent sentence? The one who's IQ makes Forest Gump look like Einstein? The one who continuously makes homosexual references? If I was 12, this would still be too easy.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17959440)

I know that you're legally retarded, an embarrassment to your own industry, and society in general.:1orglaugh

Oh yea, what does 2001-2007 have to do with anything? Oh right, smokescreen for Obama's fuckup. As usual, you're a moron.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17960283)

What does 2001-2007 have to do with anything? Ahh right because recessions are caused over night. Obama was handed the shittest economy in years and has to try to fix it. As I've said before you're not in the industry and you don't like it so why does your pathetic ass post here??

Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17960592)

Face it.. most of you are so blinded to your side of thinking, so loyal to your team that there is nothing that will ever change your mind.

Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17960592)

Funny thing is many of you think you will actually win this discussion, or even change anyone's mind. Obama could slaughter baby seals, burn down schools, and drink the blood of orphans, and some of you would still find a way to praise him. He could actually be the anti-christ, hell bent on world destruction and evil, yet many of you would point out that at least he isn't a christian :)

Glen Beck could cure cancer, heal the sick and dying with a divine touch, and then walk on water, and all many of you would say is "Glen Beck can't swim!".

Face it.. most of you are so blinded to your side of thinking, so loyal to your team that there is nothing that will ever change your mind.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17960586)

Bryan, you've repeatedly proven that you're an idiot and everytime you post, it's one giant facepalm. Allow myself to dumb it down for you. What you're essentially doing is placing all the blame on Bush and none on Obama, and using the whole "Obama can't fix Bush's mess" nonsense that's been debunked many times and is used by the dumbest the left has to offer. Bush fucked up this economy in 6 years, Obama is doing even more in 3. But please, keep rationalizing, dumbass.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17961376)

First off I'm not placing all the blame on bush I think obama is doing a horrible job. All I was trying to tell you was you cannot ignore the fact that bush started this shit show. You are always trying to blame obama for everything. As stated before recessions don't start over night. Once again I'm not a fan of obama and I agree with you that he is fucking things up instead of trying to make them better. Now back to my other question, why are you here?? You're not in the industry and continuesly put it down.

Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17960592)

Funny thing is many of you think you will actually win this discussion, or even change anyone's mind. Obama could slaughter baby seals, burn down schools, and drink the blood of orphans, and some of you would still find a way to praise him. He could actually be the anti-christ, hell bent on world destruction and evil, yet many of you would point out that at least he isn't a christian :)

Glen Beck could cure cancer, heal the sick and dying with a divine touch, and then walk on water, and all many of you would say is "Glen Beck can't swim!".

Face it.. most of you are so blinded to your side of thinking, so loyal to your team that there is nothing that will ever change your mind.

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 17961700)

Obama could cure cancer and fucktards like the demon would still complain.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17959554)

None of what you said is left or democrat at all, at that it's impossible for them to be extreme left - just the fact that it's a new station, proves that.

What it is, is anti fox news and pitting people against each other.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17959554)

Oh and I think most people bitching about Obama's policies are racist... actually most are including those here. Most people here can't debate his policies or name more than two, let alone why they are good or bad which all are... most just have skewed facts that are easily slapped around. Clearly, shit tons of people are racist assholes. I don't care, it's just the way the world works.

P.S. That's not left, it's a fact and denying it shows something about yourself.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17959554)

Canada has "right" tv media, fox isn't right they aren't anything... what they don't allow by law is media that can't backup facts (ie lie) and no mater what anyone here tries to twist and say, it's very easy to prove fox lies.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962101)

So, you're condoning this type of news reporting? Now it's apparent why you aren't willing to acknowledge it isn't an extreme left biased news network. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962101)

Oh, this is gold right here buddy. Chris Mathews is referring to other Republican members of congress and senate. They argue POLICIES and that's it, that makes them racist? Come on Doc, don't embarrass yourself by agreeing with such nonsense. :(

What you claim is in-fact the OPPOSITE of the truth. I myself have argued specific policies with you numerous times on this forum.

There are WAY more Liberals on this forum ALONE who cannot support a single policy of Obama and his administration without slandering past Republican policies or bringing race into the debate. That is a FACT. Look at the context of political threads started on here, they're joke, and so are the members who create them. They can't even remotely begin to comprehend the policies being argued.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962101)

and so does MSNBC. It's been proven countless times. Go on that newsbusters site, it is an unbiased site that calls out both networks on their outrageous news reporting and remarks made on political shows.

The fact is neither network is allowed to report their extremely politically biased programming in Canada. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing, they're both equally biased news networks who lie and spread propaganda to support their favored political parties. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

For them to be left or liberal or even dem, they would actually need to report on the issues they care about rather than twisting the rights issues, into an issue... see, msnbc - just like you - can't explain what, where or who liberals are.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

We're not talking about reporters, we're talking about people that can't name his policies yet argues over them, that's a racist pig
pretending to be in politics. Like most on this forum that you 'never' saw talk politics, until Obama became president.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

And... I think most of you are racist. Not because you argue policies, because you don't understand the policies you argue, they get argued because of whose's policies they are.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

NBC plays on cable in Canada.... but either way, both are piles of shit, nobody is defending msnbc... at that, they're both piles of shit, just fox news is a bigger pile of shit that.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

I can turn on msnbc this morning, and I will get actual news, if I turn on fox at any time, 24/7 I will get sensationalized news, headlines, and reporting that has max 10% 'actual' news in it. If it isn't a local news fox station, you're not getting anything but bullshit hype...

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962460)

nobody is defending msnbc..

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962525)

Are you saying they don't report on the issues they care about? Their programming is based all upon liberal policies and the successes of the current administration. On both the presidential and midterm election nights they played speeches from TWICE as many Democrats than Republicans.

Their new slogan is "lean forward". :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962525)

I never saw politics until Obama became president? Oh wait, this is like calling everyone who disagrees with the current administration's policies racist. That's right, you don't know shit yet make asinine statements. :thumbsup

Nearly every Democrat on this forum doesn't understand policies yet argues them. So what does that make them? Racist pigs? Ermm, oh wait, the president is black. :disgust

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962525)

So do you think I am a racist? I have called you out on specific policies and you disappeared from the conversation in previous threads.

I am just as dark, if not darker than Obama. :1orglaugh The fact you would even make such a ridiculous statement about 'most of us being racist' says A LOT. :Oh crap

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962525)

NBC's programming in Canada is WAY different than the programming here. :winkwink: MSNBC is also WAY different than the programming played on NBC.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962525)

You like to contradict yourself don't you? It seems to me that YOU watch MSNBC. Your obsession with Fox News and calling people who are against this administration's policies racists. Further more, you can't even stand by your flimsy statements, contradicting yourself. :1orglaugh

What a joke.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962547)

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with America....and all we have to do is read your posts to see why.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962563)

No, YOU'RE the perfect example of what's wrong with America.

Calling people racists for having an opinion against current policies.

Then defending MSNBC, by saying you can turn them on and watch actual news.

Maybe you need to take a reading comprehension class, not once, anywhere, did I defend Fox news. I said, MSNBC is JUST AS BAD AS FOX NEWS. Yes, that is a FACT.

Photoshopping pictures?

Editing black people out of footage to call a bunch of people with guns "white racists"?

Calling Republican members of the Congress and Senate racists for fighting against Obama's policies?

These are just a couple of ridiculous things I dug up being shown on MSNBC. In what way are they not just as bad as Fox News?

Explain it to me please.

As for your call out, here, you can resume a logical discussion on the policies in this thread you disappeared from.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=982685

As for me being a racist, hahaha, you're funny. :) In-fact, I should ask a moderator to fucking ban you unless you can prove that accusation. Maybe you will grow up and stop making such silly accusations against people.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962570)

I've said several times that msnbc is a pile of shit, just like fox. I don't care about msnbc, at all.... but at the end of the day trying to compare msnbc to fox, trying to make msnbc sound like it's more outrageous, makes you just look like a sheep.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962570)

So I didn't respond to you some 12 hours, the next fucking day, after I posted and I left the thread? Truly, that's you thinking I left the convo?

Fuck dude, you're an idiot..

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962570)

Opinions are allowed... I can think you're a rapist, rag head, shit stain, racist, and not a damn thing you can do about it. But please, msg a mod so you can be laughed at.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962629)

Actually, you said that a couple times, then you said you can turn on MSNBC and watch actual news.

The fact you think Fox News is any worse than MSNBC makes you the sheep. :thumbsup I'm only saying they're both equally bad because they both report bullshit and propaganda.

The difference between us is, you're defending MSNBC whereas I'm clearly stating they're equally ridiculous.

Nope, I never said that about Congress or anyone that knows what the policies are. - But I'm sure, many are... that's normal though, this is America.



Dude? What are you a fucking moron? Did you not read the date on the thread I linked? It's from August, of last fucking year. :1orglaugh 12 hours?



A rapist, rag head? :1orglaugh Now who's the racist. I won't actually message a mod, but you should be banned for being a fucking idiot and a hypocrite. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962638)

No I didn't say I turn it on, I said you could...

I'm not defending them at all, not even once... I'm bashing Fox, totally different.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962638)

And... I think most of you are racist. Not because you argue policies, because you don't understand the policies you argue, they get argued because of whose's policies they are.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17962638)

Yes, it was the next day when you responded to me in that thread, then your dumb ass came here pretending as if I l left out because of what you said - moron, I didn't run out, It was the next damn day and the thread probably dropped off the front page - idiot...

Not only do I think you're a racist, I think you're completely fucking stupid as well.

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962683)

Wow, you're the biggest moron I've ever met. :upsidedow Do you ever bother to comprehend what you're typing before you post it?

First you accuse me of defending Fox News because I'm trying to make MSNBC sound 'outrageous', ('bashing' MSNBC).

Then you say you're not defending MSNBC, you're just bashing Fox News.

Do you understand the paradox, or are you too fucking dense to see it? By the way, look at your fucking English. What are you the only 60 year old to have never graduated middle school? Half of the shit you say doesn't even make any sense. :disgust

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962683)

Seriously... :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by NetHorse (Post 17962683)

Okay then you old burned out pothead, there is no rule against bumping old threads.

You claim we don't understand policies and we are all just racists, prove it.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17963006)

Proof is easy, all you have to do is read what most of you say. The simple stuff includes, totally railing against every policy he creates, all of them in every stupid way possible. Never finding the good in them, even when shown. Or we could even say, how easily and fast, the right around here accept what the media says as Fact and repeats it, again even when shown the proof otherwise, it's not proof, ever... example, death panels.

Simply put.. anyone that jumps on the hate wagon that fast, that often, that much and on so many things, so many twisted view points, so much media influence that is proven wrong....

..that it screams either one of two things. Either a shit ton of you are racists and should just admit it or you're completely stupid and should shut the hell up.