Out of your class, only 1 of you works (You I assume?), runs a business, has a family, does something to help society grow, no construction workers? Lots of ways to contribute to society..

They didn't invest in those things... only one major type of market failed, all tied together, not computers, factories, building, ect.. the financial markets. And it was done through fraud, fraud you could not have known about, not the richest man to the poorest, all of us were screwed over.

And now.. we sit here bitching about little people, rather than yelling at the big ass holes that created this disaster. Over teachers.... it's even pathetic to think it when our nation is some of the stupidest people in the World - and statistically getting worse.

come on man, who was the last actual great president the us had? truman? roosevelt?
kennedy didnt have enough time and no one after him was really worth a shit except carter, and thats only because as far as being honest he was solid, unfortunately as far as being a president he was sadly under qualified.

but no prez in my life has been worth a shit, they've spent most of their administrations trying to cover up crap or divert attention. and people like ross perot or ralph nader dont have a chance in hell because all of the political bullshit would have to be dismantled.

we need a person who knows how to run things, knows about government and could give a fuck about politics.

Obama perhaps? Check out whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com

From what I've seen, they're both equally hypocritical, biased jokers who don't report the truth.

It seems the extreme left spend an awful amount of time taking tidbits from Fox News and compiling them together to see when they contradict themselves.

Whether someone actually spends the time to do that or not doesn't make one worse than the other. :thumbsup

They all are.. that's what I said. Who is the extreme left? I've never seen msnbc ever report left anything, let alone extreme left.. Just because they aren't Fox, doesn't make them left, Fox isn't right, Fox isn't even owned by an American.

Fox isn't allowed to move into Canada because a law doesn't allow media to lie..... think about it.

They all suck because they all ignore the truths, but only one is a complete pile of shit that skews, spews, and lies just about every minute they broadcast.

If you're watching for entertainment... sweet, if you're watching for any news at any level, you're a fool.

I'm not going to argue with the power of the unions, but what public school teachers do you know that are making 180K per year. Most of them make an average of around 50K per year with another 25K going into benefits. Where is this 180K number coming from?

The extreme left is MSNBC. Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, etc, etc. They're all just as bad if not worse than Glenn Beck or the other shows aired on Fox news.

Even in their news reporting they're ridiculously biased, skewing and often blatantly lying.

Here is an example, in a state where everyone carries weapons, reporters called them white racists, all while hiding a black man carrying a AR-15 in the background.



http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...26e88c0e20.jpg

In the morning news leading up to the 2008 election, they used FAKE photo-shopped pictures of Sarah Palin, (and later apologized).

http://newsbusters.org/

Here is what Chris Mathews said about people who disagree with Obama's policies.

"They go back to the old nativist root, this old dark night of the soul thing that people worry about, a black man in a White House. And they start working on that. 'Oh, he's a Mau Mau. He goes back to a Muslim background.'"

"It's using race. It's using the paranoid fear of whites of black males against this President whose life has been spotless, has been the American dream."

Insinuating that anyone who is against Obama's policies is a white racist who are paranoid of black males? That sounds like FAR extreme left political bullshit to me.

As for Canada, it has nothing to do with Fox News specifically lying, it has to do with their bias and being right wing. Canada is a model for liberal democracy. MSNBC isn't aired there either, they were shutoff in Canada in 2004.

So how do you explain the 6 years the GOP controled everything from 2001-2007? Oh wait you were still in high school for most of that KID. WTF do you know about life?

My union experience
 

My wife's a teacher at the district office. I know what the average base pay of a teacher is and its not always $50k. There is some places that the base pay $75k. Depends on level of education and district. Teachers at lower income school districts get higher base pay then wealthier districts.

She first joined the union because in her application it appeared that she had too. Later we found out that it was false. During that time there was a push to get teachers to join, so the local union effort found a way to trick teachers into joining the union. After a enough signatures were collected. Bam! New teachers union was created.

Not to long ago we found a article with the public database for the the Orange county school district (Here). So we did a search and found the highest paid teacher in the district was this person, who was mentioned in the article (Mark Dressler). He is just a drama teacher for goodness sakes. What the fuck does he do to deserver $170K per year? And he will get a 2% bump for next year and if he applies to teach another class he will get another stipen ($26k).

Me and my wife have watched countless useless projects get funded and not even be used in the classroom. Hundreds of thousands of dollars just go to waste. Watch one particular teacher spend the last 8 years of her career getting "hurt" at the beginning of the year never come back until the last month before summer break and the repeat the process for 8 straight years. This made sure she got her pension. I think she reached the 35 year mark and gets 85 to 90 percent of her pay.

Unions did a great job to make loop holes as well. My wife works 8 to 10 hours every day and has certain benefits for it. Take the same teacher but decides to work part time and for most of her career and then the last 5 years or 3 years goes to full time status before she retires. Why? Because her pension is based on the last 3 or 5 years of her base pay before retirement. She gets the same pension as any teacher that worked full time for the same amount of years.

Let?s not stop there. Every election cycle there is always a push in the teachers union for specific candidate. My wife hates that her union uses her contributions, that she is obligated to pay every month, to elect a person that we don?t want elected.

Let?s go further. Here in California, the unions are strong. They out spent the campaign to remove unions from being able to contribute to election campaigns by 6 to 1(I believe, I could be wrong about the ratio). To say the least they destroyed the hope of having fair elections in California and change the electoral map for the better and really represent the people. Not one incumbent lost in the past 3 election cycles. California is without a shadow of a doubt votes Democratic local and Republican statewide. There is no question that this is a Democrat state with a Republican Governor bought and paid for with Union money.

Here we have a lot of strong unions and 55% of California?s expenditure budget goes to education (K-12 and Higher Education). That?s for the fiscal year 2011-2012. This gets us a rank of 47 in SAT test scores. WTF?!!!! California went from 5th largest economy in the world to 9th. WTF?!!!!! Silicon valley is gone. Real estate is in the shitter. Mexican activists and unions run this state. And these are your results. It is absolutely insane what the pie chart looks like for the states budget.

And now we need to pay more taxes for fucking unions. They scream and shout about being fair. Fuck you!!! Stop influenceing elections. And bargaining with the politicians you bought. How does a politician, sitting across the table from the guy who helped get him elected, say no to what he wants? He doesnt!!!! Case in point, Richard Trumka and Obama. God Damn socialist assholes. Who want nothing more to take your money and my money away through democracy.

I guess you can say I feel strongly about this.

Again, I won't argue the the union is powerful, potentially corrupt and possibly hidering improvement of the school system.

That said, you found one guy making $170K (and I will agree a drama teacher should not be making $170K per year), but it doesn't change the fact that - it seems to me - only a very select few make this kind of big money. When you go here http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/ave...er-salary.html you can see that most teachers make between 40-65K per year depending on the state (it looks like California ranks #1 with an average of close to $70K) so it isn't like there are a bunch of teachers sitting around doing nothing and making $150K+ per year.

Still, if what you said is correct that the teacher's pension is determined by their final 3-5 years of work so they can work part time and then work a few years at full time and get a full time pension is just wrong. Something else I agree with that I have seen other people saying is that maybe teachers need to start paying part of their pensions just like almost everyone in the private sector does.

Oh, and just for the record all politicians want to take your money and give it to other people. The democrats want to take it and give it to the unions and the republicans want to take it and give it to their wealthy wall street friends. Both groups can have big influences on elections.

Shut down all public schools.

Where would you then suggest kids get their education? Private school? How will they pay for it?

I know that you're legally retarded, an embarrassment to your own industry, and society in general.:1orglaugh

Oh yea, what does 2001-2007 have to do with anything? Oh right, smokescreen for Obama's fuckup. As usual, you're a moron.:1orglaugh

None of what you said is left or democrat at all, at that it's impossible for them to be extreme left - just the fact that it's a new station, proves that.

What it is, is anti fox news and pitting people against each other.


Oh and I think most people bitching about Obama's policies are racist... actually most are including those here. Most people here can't debate his policies or name more than two, let alone why they are good or bad which all are... most just have skewed facts that are easily slapped around. Clearly, shit tons of people are racist assholes. I don't care, it's just the way the world works.

P.S. That's not left, it's a fact and denying it shows something about yourself.


Canada has "right" tv media, fox isn't right they aren't anything... what they don't allow by law is media that can't backup facts (ie lie) and no mater what anyone here tries to twist and say, it's very easy to prove fox lies.

Sorry, I don't agree with you on most of your Teacher points, first your wife could have quit the union but didn't.

When you live in the OC and worked with a place for a long time, $170k a year isn't much money. It's piss money really. Now if you lived in back woods Texas and made that, it would be a shit ton of money.

If you don't like your states union laws or related laws work, then "you" need to get out to work to get them changes. That's how the system works, that's how it actually works, and that's exactly what unions did to get what they have.


So you sit here, bitch about unions, teachers, illegals, ect... when you ignore the "real" problem of why the money in every State and peoples investments was sucked away. And then, turn and blame people that couldn't have possibly created this at any level if they tried....

Think about what you're saying.

In Texas.... they think the church and community will educate your kids if they secede.

good repukes believe in " home schooling ".....

All of those Fox News pundits (including Sarah Palin) and all of those right wing talkers (including Rush Limbaugh) are AFL-CIO union members... even Glenn Beck.

http://www.aftra.org/home.htm

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds...

Before the right wing idiots start saying they aren't... here is proof

http://www.aftra.com/documents/LA_20...ng_Results.pdf

FOX tells it like it is (for them) ...

sheep = anyone you disagree with?

I am pretty sure he said "The sad part is all the sheep that listen to them". I don't see anywhere where he says "sheep are people that don't agree with me".

this is THE quintessential internet definition of sheep.

although there should be addendum to include the fact that the *sheep* caller is also a sheep with no original thought and is simply regurgitating the accepted views of the other side.

I think anyone who considers themselves to be a christian is a sheep... so I am a sheep for saying that? Hell... they even call themselves sheep. :2 cents:

i don't make *sheep* judgements, sorry.

It's funny how over at fox they were bitching about how the ceo bonuses were written into their contract and that not allowing them to get them was breaking that contract. Once we begin breaking contracts life, liberty and the persuit of happiness were in trouble. Now the same stooges are saying we need to break the teachers' contracts. I know one's private sector and the other is public, but a contract is a contract

You have to be really out of your mind that $170k is not a lot of money. She doesn?t have the option to quit the union. The only way she can quit is to quit her job. We can?t change the fucking laws in California because the unions spend more money than the reformers to change them. Unions convince the fucking sheep that "Live better, work union" is the way to go. But you can?t live better if you are not union. My wife used to have the ability to decide whether or her money could be used in political campaigns but the Union removed that option.
I have gone out there in protest and vote according to my conscience. My wife has a hard time wanting to speak up at work. She fears retribution. Unions are vicious organizations that care not for their own workers but their political agenda.
Quick example. When negotiations are going and the choice is take a pay cut, furlough days or 20 layoffs. The recommendation of the union to the voting teachers, 9 out of 10 times, is layoffs. Why? Because they rather have 480 happy voting teachers with full pay and benefits than 500 angry teachers who now may vote another way. According to the rules of seniority the 20 newest teachers without tenure would be laid off.
BTW, do fucking assume what my wife can and cannot do at her job. Also what I said before is not for you to agree with, its fact. It?s like saying, I don?t agree that the sky is blue.

Its crazy insane that $170 isn?t much money. You have a EGA as your avatar. Were you making a $100k plus per year. What I remember was not getting paid much money. I sure as hell wasn?t getting paid $100k or more per year. What do you consider a fair living wage?

Who was bitching? I would like to see that. Contract is not a contract when its done under threat? Its not a fair bargain when the contract is agreed by people who are all on the same side. And no one represents you at the table.

He said that $170k isn't a ton of money because the cost of living in OC is insane.

Under Federal law she can quit the union and keep her job.

It's not all fact, thats why I didn't agree with it. For example "Teachers at lower income school districts get higher base pay then wealthier districts." Within the same district, that isn't a bad thing - it should work that way. But it's not like a teacher in a town with a 1000 total people earns a higher base pay then a major city teacher.

Everything that the unions do that you don't like, you can find an equal amount of positive things they've done to help. You're just not looking.


I couldn't pay my bills on a $170k a year in OC... and damn sure not have any type of life style that I have today.

If I was anything more than a meet bag in the Marines, I would have made more. I'm about equal to a teachers assistant at that level, don't really make shit because I don't know shit.

Now an educated teacher, going in as an officer, would make more that me at the bottom and if they stayed the course, for 16 years and roughly O-6, they'll make about a $100k a year and up over $150k a year with more time and rank.

That's before they get out and almost all go directly into Gov Contracts/Grant type jobs, making even more on our Tax dollar.

Depending on education, where you are, what you're doing, and your history, it's just about equal other than the life long military person will make way more money over the persons lifetime. Which is a good thing in my eyes.

Overall, the States aren't screwed because of unions... .or teachers, anything related. Even if they're a big part of the budget, because that's 'exactly' what taxes were actually for, to make "our" lives better. Get rid of all the other shit, and magically we have enough money. Change the fact that the state is forced to sell it's natural resources at a lower rate than they're allowed to buy them, and the States problem is solved - all without changing anything else.

You should explain how this stupidity makes any sense. So anyone who believes in an idea or concept is a sheep? They believe in a higher purpose(for the most part) and an omniscient present, you believe in peddling porn. So are you a sheep as well?

Reading issues?

Sheep = "The sad part is all the sheep that listen to them and actually take in the trash they spew as fact."

That has nothing to do with disagreeing with people, what's to disagree with? Fox doesn't report "news" or factual information with backed sources or investigative reports of any kind.

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with "people" which is exactly what Fox wants you to do, rather than disagree with the easily to refutable bullshit they spew, every minute of every day.

Sheep is anyone that listens and then repeats the non-factual information fox spews onto the American people.

you have a pretty piss poor view of society. why not just kill 29 out of 30 children because they will just be useless mouth breathers taking up space that could be better used to make some huge asshole corp money (of which they will never pay taxes on because its offshore). average people keep the economy going, they are the consumers. without them, there would be no stock market, no banking industry, etc.

I didn't mean to make it sound like they are useless... I was exaggerating a bit to make the point that "bankers" contribute to society just as much as teachers...

Let me color this in crayon for you since you are mentally handicapped. You are saying things are fucked up because the democrats are in charge. Well the republicans were in charge for 6 years and things stil got fucked up. Now would you care to explain how that could have happened if the republicans are so fucking good at running things? Do you get my point now Sling Blade? Seriously YOU are an embarrassment. Not to this industry since you ADMIT you're not in it and actually despise it. Why you're still allowed to post here is a mystery. Eric must like the way you toss his salad.

Now let's see you're a 25 year old republican who posts on a porn industry messageboard despite the fact you're not in the porn industry and you in fact hate porn and the people in the industry. WHO is the retarded one?

This is amusing considering I always call you mentally handicapped. It just proves my case that you're dumb beyond belief that you need to repeat me. Also, I Just called you an embarrassment and you respond with the same thing? The rest of your retarded rant has nothing to do with anything seeing as how I never insinuated anything close to it. Now do everyone a favor and keep peddling porn and being an insignificant member of society, and we'll pay our taxes to support you.

The one who can barely form a coherent sentence? The one who's IQ makes Forest Gump look like Einstein? The one who continuously makes homosexual references? If I was 12, this would still be too easy.:1orglaugh

I love it when you talk all Republican... wanna rub balls now? Can we scissor and rub assholes... that would be so hot... :321GFY

What does 2001-2007 have to do with anything? Ahh right because recessions are caused over night. Obama was handed the shittest economy in years and has to try to fix it. As I've said before you're not in the industry and you don't like it so why does your pathetic ass post here??

We're cruising along on autopilot now!

Zoooooooooommm...

http://www.legaljuice.com/speeding%2...g%20driver.jpg

Bryan, you've repeatedly proven that you're an idiot and everytime you post, it's one giant facepalm. Allow myself to dumb it down for you. What you're essentially doing is placing all the blame on Bush and none on Obama, and using the whole "Obama can't fix Bush's mess" nonsense that's been debunked many times and is used by the dumbest the left has to offer. Bush fucked up this economy in 6 years, Obama is doing even more in 3. But please, keep rationalizing, dumbass.:1orglaugh

Funny thing is many of you think you will actually win this discussion, or even change anyone's mind. Obama could slaughter baby seals, burn down schools, and drink the blood of orphans, and some of you would still find a way to praise him. He could actually be the anti-christ, hell bent on world destruction and evil, yet many of you would point out that at least he isn't a christian :)

Glen Beck could cure cancer, heal the sick and dying with a divine touch, and then walk on water, and all many of you would say is "Glen Beck can't swim!".

Face it.. most of you are so blinded to your side of thinking, so loyal to your team that there is nothing that will ever change your mind.