I'm not going to take the time to read through all your terms, can you please paste the part that references incentivizing sales? Ebay's terms would have no bearing in this matter between the affiliate and your program. At the very least, convert his account to revshare and pay him out his %. He'll probably still lose money, but it will educate him on how much you're actually making off of his traffic and help him realize why paying out an incentive to get a sale is generally bad for the program.

AWE are proven to be scummy any chance they are given.

Why You don't write:
We - GODS
Webmasters - Peaces of shit
????
Why You wrote so many words if all of words mean - only that you can do all that you want? So, if your employee don't drink cup of coffee when respond on ticket - WHY I SHOULD PAY his fault??? YOU CHEATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

But that is related to that topdog $222 PPS program right, which runs from march 1-march31?

Methinks you need to add that to your more general terms if by quoting that you are saying it is applicable to all PPS programs....

You'll need to amend your terms then, as I think you're the only program who does not have policy in place against affiliates incentivizing sales (paying for signups). Particularly when you're running a promo for $222/sale, you're just inviting affiliates to pay for signups.

AWE should convert his account to rev share and pay out whatever is owed.

Don't drop the ball again AWE...and do the right thing.

If your rep gets asked about is this type of traffic ok and he says yes then it does not matter what is in the terms. I have made mistakes in the past that cost me money due to not knowing enough about the situation but I did not blame others for it. AWE you fucked up here pay up.

:disgust

Pay him, apologize for the misunderstanding and move on before people start saying you 'mallicked' him.

Ouch, just looked at your ebay listing . Can't believe you were paying out $100 to anyone that would make a $50 purchase, oh well, lesson learned I guess.

I agree, this is the best solution rather than just telling him his account is closed and he won't be paid. Also, when the affiliate sees how little he'll get paid out on revshare, it should wake him up on why programs don't accept pay for signup sales.

I agree, AWE should pay him what is owed and then close his account, but at least pay up since they OK'd him method of advertisement

remember when AWEmpire stole some photographers Whale photos and used in their banners?

good times

:1orglaugh

I would agree if the AWE rep hadn't given the green light for him to use this tactic. Because of that, AWE should pay up in full then move him over to revshare, or cancel the account.
AWE fucked up here, not the affiliate - his email to ask for advice was very clear in stating he wanted to make 100% sure what he was doing was OK, and AWE replied it's fine as there's no policy against it.

That is where the problem lies....

lazycash, yes. Now (when my account terminated) I know that it's bad. But When I start company I gave link on this list to Brad. I don't know what some terms mean, therefore I don't do any that not approved first at AWE support.
When AWE support (Brad) allow me make this list, I start to do it. That's all. In screenshot I wrote all...

lol nice find

so its like rebate/cashback ?

so, are you in big trouble with ebay now ...?

cooldude7, correct
the Shemp, Yes, I should pay $189 eBay fee and should pay $400 to 4 people who won lots in last day. And I paid half of summ that AWE owed for people who won lists from my pocket. Because i trusted Brad, because he is Support. And if it said OK, I was think that OK...
Change mind - dirty play
Now some people from world thinking that I - russian scammer. Because I can't pay them. Therefore I think money comes 10 march as I saw in statistic

I see what you're saying, however just because a program gives the green light on a certain type of promotion doesn't mean they can't retroactively convert an account from pps to revshare if the traffic from that promotion isn't profitable for them. I don't like it, but many programs have done this, its just part of the game.

remember the AWE wm referral bullshit ?

it just never ends with these guys

lazycash, change mind - part of the awe game? It is Twice standarts... If I earn small money - it's ok, do it pal! If I earn big money - they convert account or terminate...
They don't convert in first period. Don't convert second... And on 3rd, when they should pay... Oh, Brad, look at this! Who agree him? You Brad? Fuck.... Let's delete his account, he is russian, he don't do anything!

"but please note that our risk management
is monitoring webmaster activities continuously from several aspects" - is it his fast action? Like hurricane! I think it because payment time approaching and whey don't wish pay.
Brad mistake. His mistake made my work. I done it. If Brad mistake give me money from his Bonus or Salary or else.
Support said me - DO it!
I done. I done 2 full period. Where is my money?

Where is my fault? Is My fault that I beleived AWE Support????

This makes AWE look very shady. Pay the man.

WTF, I didn't know that actually any traffic can convert with AWE.
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:Oh crap

I'm not sticking up for AWE, trust me, I've been one of their biggest critics for the last five years on this board and the only cam program I refuse to promote. I didn't mean part of the "AWE Game" as you put it, but was speaking generally about affiliate programs. If you're promoting a high pps for most programs and your traffic is unprofitable then you can expect to be converted to revshare or terminated.

I can't tell from your original email to Brad what ebay link you put in there because you blacked it out. If it was the same ebay page that you later posted, then it seems unbelievable that Brad wouldn't have told you "no" right then unless he simply didn't take the time to look at your Ebay posting.

I realize it appears you seem new to affiliate marketing, but didn't part of you ask yourself, "this seems too easy, why isn't everyone doing this?".

i keep seeing these threads about awe, how are they still in business... they told alot of people to fuck off with the cut of lifetime revshare, that alone shows what kind of company it is... pay the guy, you told him it's ok, how can you go back on your word ?

Yeah, but the thing I'll never forget is them passing off their "revshare program" with the implication it was lifetime revshare only to be found out months later that they were only paying for 14 days. Then even after they were outed in their own forum, they never changed the promo text of their program details to alert new webmaster signups that they were actually only offering a 14 day revshare.

"this seems too easy, why isn't everyone doing this?"- this words say girls when I try to take them in webcam biz. As for me - sell lists was very hard. Small part of people don't scary use Credit card and sign-up. I don't sell many lists, but I must pay a lot of fee for any.
Why I should think? I do what eligible. Not more.
Why awe should convert sales? Whey said this sales is OK. Brad made bad his work.
Yes, it is same list. I try post it now.

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You should think because you're getting someone to pay AWE $50 and they are paying you $222, how long do you think a company can keep losing $172 for every one of your sales?

I realize some may rebuy, but generally with incentivized sales, 95% of them never make another purchase and cancel. I would even venture to guess that some of the people that took you up on your offer never even used their credits they purchased which sent a red flag to AWE.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like AWE is going to pay you anything and your thread title was accurate, "AWE own my money" instead of "AWE owes me money". I guess you'll just have to stiff your last 4 customers and lose your ebay account if you don't want to pay them.

AWE owes you nothing, this is a NO-NO method for long time. I don't even understand how you thought it will work. Lame. And now you come here and badmouth AWE. Facepalm, dude :helpme :pimp

lazycash, Yes, maybe not many people bought second time, but why I should think about it? AWE marketing or something like it should think about it.
If I bought newmicrowave and in instructions I don't see - Don't put cat in it.
And I do it. Who must pay for it?
I my case, I called (wrote) to microwave support and ask - can I put THESE (link) cat in microwave? And they respond - Yes, Currently we have no exact policy against it, but please also check cat'S IF THEY allow it. Cat's allow!

You live in USA with laws. Whi won dispute when someone put in microwave something? I thnk this case was....
I think this info in instructions not fot fun.

Matyko, they should make first payment 10 march for 1-15 february.

lazycash, yes, ebay will fuck me if I don't pay fee and people will think that I cheater.
I lose my money, I lose reputation. I lose ebay account, because Brad made bad his work. I lose many - brad don't lose anything. AWE will continue fuck webmasters who made more than awe earn.

English not my language, I thinked title right

It all comes down to are AWE continuing to make money on the referred people, if so, then you just stole his money because you saw a get out clause. If not, you fucked up anyway by saying it wasn't against your terms but check eBay.

Either way, pay the guy out, and ask him not to do it anymore. Your guy told him it was ok but check eBay, no mention of AWE terms, your guy SHOULD have checked the terms himself and then informed the webmaster.

End of.

Hello, Brad!
I can't enter in my account and received email that my account has been terminated. What's wrong? I don't do anything not eligible.... I'm scary...
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:36):
I do what I do everyday, but today I start test with Trafficholder...
Brad AWE ‎(01.03.2011 23:41):
May I ask your account name?
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:41):
alexas
Brad AWE ‎(01.03.2011 23:43):
our risk management investigated your account and decided to terminate it due to high risk
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:44):
risk with what? I don't see any earnings?? Oo
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:46):
maybe I can change risk down? I try to do my work best...
alexiy301 ‎(01.03.2011 23:55):
Brad, are You here? I'm very scary, I was spent a lot of money for promote links and bought many different traffic...
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:14):
Brad, You no more answer for me? What should I do now?
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
Unfortunately in such cases the decision is final.
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
Please note that in case of PPS promotion we have strict requirements as the amount we pay is high
Brad AWE ‎(02.03.2011 0:24):
so we filter possible fraudulent activities regularly
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:25):
I understand. But maybe I change my working politics if You tell me... What about money?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:26):
I not do any that not eligible...
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 0:49):
are you busy, Brad? I receive money that I earned?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 1:24):
hello?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 12:59):
hello?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 16:07):
Brad?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 16:09):
Why You nothing tell me about my money?
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 19:45):
hello>
alexiy301 ‎(02.03.2011 22:31):
hello?

Sorry, but I have to laugh at your microwave/cat analogy. The reason the instructions don't have anything regarding putting a cat in the microwave is because its considered "common sense" that you would know not to. As in affiliate marketing, its considered common sense to know that you can't pay people to sign up. I think both people in this instance were at fault, and that's why I feel to make it right AWE should just pay you out your revshare % and be done with it. You'd still lose a lot of money, but at least you'd get a little back.

lazycash, They don't write on my email and don't want do anything. They cheaters. i'm newbie, I don't know what I can make. But I have idea. I don't so smart, therefore I wrote and (read carefully) SUPPORT said - Yes, Bro, DO IT, it's OK!
In this case (newbie and not easy questions) need support in every company. If man think - maybe i don't do it... He must write in support and ask. Because support must have many more knowledges about it. If Brad sleep on work place - WHY I SHOULD thinking?? It's his work! AWE pay him salary!
Why in rules don't wrote - beginners/newbie can't work on us?
Brad approved ebay list. Brad don't read awe rules?? It's his mistake, awe must pay me, I done all my work! If it not allowed - AWE must fuck BRAD FIRST and take some his salary or don't give bonuses, because he - awe employee. Why I should pay for awe employee mistake????? Because I far far away and can't do anything? Because AWE = Betty+Adam+Dave+Brad?
I trusted this company! NO MORE! I post it everywhere I can. I have lot time and will say and write everyone that you scammers like mallick! Not better! Go fuck yourself!

sorry, you are wrong... if the affiliate manager ok'd it, then thats his bad, not the affiliates...

there is no such thing as a "no-no method".. all that matters is what is in the TOS..

and even then.. you know how many companies used to take my spam traffic even though they had a clear TOS against it...

pay the guy his money and move on... :2 cents:













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awe turned from best program online into complete pile of unconverting crap about 2 years ago

Why dont you go fuck youself you stupid hungary bitch?

Huh? Motherfucker...

Are you sad because you don't earn 10K per month anymore from gallery submitting and your expenses to pay food for your family are going up each day in your expensive euro living?