So you paid 1800 to potentially make 3300? short answer- dont do that, its ridiculous. You should be able to make that kind of money by spending a few hundred bucks max on hosting-domains etc. The missing part of the equation here is that there is no work involved which usually (or eventually) goes nowhere.

imho, the underlaying question is: does the "OK" of an affiliate-manager override the general TOS of the company? ..now does it? After all, he (Advisor) asked whether he could do "this and that" and the manager (who speaks for the company) said "OK". So the affiliate proceeded to do things in good faith and now, suddenly, the company sez "no". i think thats a big fuckup.

not to mention they're going to loose alot more then some 4g's from this exposure....

No they won't. They won't lose anything from this. People will still continue blindly promoting them despite the reasons not to, same as always. That is why they never "do the right thing" and admit their mistakes in these threads. They don't need to.

Bump for you to get paid.

This is a crock of shit and you know it...

Brad is a representative of your company, in which if this was truly a violation to your ToS, he should have said so when asked. And he did, Brad, a representative of your company, stated that AWE has nothing against it. And then Brad, a representative of your company, also referred him to check ebay's ToS.

Pay the man what you owe and be done with it... or don't and continue to contribute to, and be part of the absolute fucking garbage scum that's driving this industry to the shits.

Dave-AWE is full of shit, I can't wait for the next convention to punch his gay ugly face.

Motherfucker. That guy really deserves to die same as AWEMPIRE as company. they are full of shit and support illegal pirating sites. They should be banned, SUED and closed. BANNED for life from this industry.

I'm sure KARMA will hit these people soon or late. they are not going to get along and run with their millions, after they ruined a whole industry.

PERIOD.

AWE's TOS says that they reserve the right to terminate any account due to QUESTIONABLE Marketing practices, or SUSPECTED fowl play, links or materials not approved by AWE, etc.

They are clearly stating the risk to potential affiliates, which is honest and fair. If you do something that AWE does not like, they will close your account, period. If you think about it, there's nothing wrong with this. They are protecting themselves just as any good business should.

AWE's acquisition cost for each new customer is very high thanks to the commissions they pay, but they are betting that they can turn a profit this way by keeping each new customer for a nice long time. This bet only pays off if webmaster affiliates advertise their product in a fair and honest way to consumers. If the ads were misleading or if consumers were acquired by fishy methods, it might result in lower retention or even chargebacks, increasing AWE's risk and causing them to lose money.

For whatever the reason, AWE saw "Advisor"'s methods as too risky, and chose to close his account. Completely fair under AWE's public TOS. If you are an affiliate and you plan to market AWE in a way that might be against their TOS, you too are taking a risk.

The question then becomes this: Was Brad acting on behalf of the company when he said what "Advisor" was doing was ok? I would say yes. Should AWE payout what was owed up until the termination date? Maybe... ! It all comes down to how their TOS is worded. If their TOS says they do not payout on suspected marketing practices, then no money should be or needs to be paid out if you upload the exact wording of the TOS. If this is not mentioned anywhere, then perhaps AWE should payout anyway just to close the matter and consider it a loss.

Oops, actually I just found it:

http://www.awempire.com/terms/?pn=5

So while it may seem rotten to some, AWE clearly states that this is what they do. Perhaps Brad shouldn't have okayed it in the chat but otherwise, you're SOL.

The new new question is: Should "Advisor" be paid even though Brad said something which may be inconsistent with the policies of AWE? Or perhaps put another way, does Brad = Company?

They know exactly what they are doing. They know that offering the ridiculous $222 per sign up will open them up to all end of attempted scams and abuse but they don't care because they don't need to prove "fraud" and affiliates have no recourse.

Whilst in this case the involvement of a lazy affiliate rep gives the hope that maybe they will pay out, reality is that they will not, and Adviser would be well advised to research a program's history of non payment before attempting again what let's face it was always an accident waiting to happen.

they are involved with chickens now??? :Oh crap :1orglaugh

Brad is a representative of AWE, and as such, he knows AWE's ToS, or at least damn well should. From the looks of it, part of brad's responsibilities is affiliate support.

An affiliate asked him a question whether or not his methods were against AWE's ToS. Brad said no.

AWE closed his account and are refusing to pay this affiliate after he was given the green light.

So what we can deduce from this is

A. Brad is an idiot and needs to be fired for not knowing the ToS of the company he works for.

B. Brad is a scumbag and purposely told this affiliate that he could use those methods, knowing the affiliate would be banned and funds withheld.

And regardless of whether those tactics are frowned upon in the industry, regardless if they aren't allowed, he asked Brad whether or not he could use them and was told yes.

You can twist this situation however you want, point fingers at some not so clear sentence in the ToS and use it as an out, or try to place blame on the affiliate... but the fact of the matter is this is on AWE. Had their rep not told him it was ok, then that would be a different story; but because he did, they need to settle up.

Originally Posted by Dave-AWE
This is what I see in Brad's email:
"Currently we have no exact policy against it, but please also check.."

"also" refers to eBay terms and AWE terms, which are clearly displayed on AWEmpire.com. Please send me an email if you would like further clarification.

Bullshit Dave.

It is obvious that the "also" means in addition to the check he did by contacting Brad. Your company made the mistake. Change your terms, train your staff or fire Brad. But this guy needs to get paid.

X2.
Moreover, this is a Russian webmaster not fluent in English, Working His Ass Off. Above and beyond spending money on it... to bring sales to AWE; All based on trust to his affiliate manager, whom he relied on heavily.

The "missing part" here is your lack of understanding ROI.

Maybe "Brad" gets a 50% recovery fee for outing suspected fraud ??
Incentive

Brad = Dave-AWE ??
Incentive

Advisor spoke out, how many others haven't ??
I'm betting AWE wishes they had a 1000 people like Advisor.
A few hundred here, a few hundred there, it really does add up.

Lol, nice catch.

"For whatever the reason" I think its plainly obvious what the reason is, he was paying people to sign up. Problem though is, since AWE doesn't have anything in their TOS about affiliates incentivizing sales, he actually didn't violation any of their terms. They are the only high pps sponsor I've seen that doesn't address sales incentivization in their TOS. The part of their TOS that addresses terminating an account for any reason is just a catchall to protect their ass should they want to close an account even if it hasn't directly violated a specific part of their terms.

Brad was lazy and didn't take the time to try and understand the initial email and look at the listing as it should have been plainly obvious that AWE didn't want that kind of traffic. Either pay him out what is owed and close his account or at the very least retroactively convert him to revshare and leave his account open for possible residual sales.

This is actually one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted to GFY, and that is saying an awful lot.

You have two choices:

A) Admit that the affiliate rep fucked up and pay the man his money.

B) Pay him after 30 pages of bad publicity since this thread will never die.

The correct answer is obvious, but you guys are the clowns of the industry so I guess we are headed to page 30.

bump so we can get to page 30 asap

Bump for his money

On a march to page 30!

Pay the man

links added

So I don't really look at the avatar or name and I get this far skimming and read this...

And I am thinking... Wow, this guy is funny as shit making fun of the OG poster...

Then I see that it is the OP... and I get an even bigger laugh.

So I am reading this dribble and I keep wondering.. What are these lists on Ebay that be bought? What do they have to do with Traffic Holder?

I don't get it... Who spends money to make money in the first place.. bunch of newbs.. just kipe tha shit yo!

ummmmmmmmmm this is get me curious.....

AWE won't pay for Brad's mistake

Read the thread again, he was meaning Ebay "listing" not list and I posted the link to his Ebay page that he was promoting and explained it. He created an Ebay listing offering people $100 to signup via his link to Live Jasmin and make a $50 purchase, ($222 affiliate payout). He bought traffic from a broker and sent it to his Ebay listing and paid out $100 to a few people, but never got paid by AWE because they closed his account.

bump.....

Dave-AWE email me and ask how much I spent on advertising this allowed promotion.
I responded him within 30 minutes.
I hope AWE take right decision.
Waiting...

Ugh.... :) Nice catch. The other day I sent an email out to someone, and I said "hire" when I meant to say "higher". Must be my old age.

is Dave Brad's bitch?

Well that might be true of course but I doubt it. Webcam consumers spend alot of money. Regular users spend hundreds of dollars a month, and "whales" can spend much more. It makes perfect business sense to me to wager a $222 commission. Personally I don't like this practice as it makes it harder for us smaller guys to compete for affiliates, but I can respect this practice. It probably takes them less than 2 weeks to gain a return on each $222 investment.

Also, don't forget: It's not in AWE's best interest to cut anyone off if the referrals are legitimate. Why would they? Paying out this much money for affiliates MAKES money for them.

OK... I see... And I have to say it looks like a swell proposition on paper... But then I think about it a little and I say to myself... This would not be allowed... The promotion isn't for this kind of stuff, it is for regular surfing traffic, SEO traffic... Not enticed traffic and I could swear I read something in the promos TOS about this type of thing.

Says Brad OK'ed it though... In that case perhaps AWE could reimburse him the costs.

I agree that Brad should know about the TOS, and even if he didn't, he spoke for the company. However, the TOS says they do NOT pay out on suspected accounts. It's an interesting situation from a logical / legal standpoint. Regardless I hope it gets resolved to the mutual satisfaction of both.

Almost all programs have an inclusion in their TOS stating they can close an account for any reason. However, AWE does not specifically have anything in their TOS regarding incentivizing sales, therefore the thread starter didn't directly violate any of their terms.

Bump....

For a newbie, pretty smart to get a screenshot or else he would be the FNG making shit up.

AWE should definitely pay.