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Wow, the tricky language being used to sell the fees is amazing. You shoulda been a lawyer talia.
First of all, you do charge a monthly maintenance fee. Unless you have $0 in your account. Which means, anybody who actually USES your service is going to get charged. From what I can see its like $3 a month. Then you charge a minimum of $2 to delay the payment a couple days, $5 to delay it only a few hours on every load. And, I'm reading off my old statement mind, a "private load fee" which looks to be a percentage of whats loaded. On a small load it was ~ $10 for me. Please get off this misleading kick or I will put together an itemized list of what fees you charge and itemize it with what I'm charged at paxum to get the truth because although I don't have a personal axe to grind, I found your fees out of line, I found your CS to be surly when I brought it to their attention that you had competitors who charge effectively much less, and frankly I don't like people who do business like you are right now. You know, and I know, that there's very few situations where someone using payoneer is getting a better deal than old epassporte or now paxum. Like a snake oil salesmen. Guys here may not know what paypal charges them or why, but that doesn't mean you get to lie about what you charge. Seriously, tell the truth or I will do a graph that will make it obvious. I don't like being "there there'd" |
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It's not like you have to do business with Payoneer. If you don't like them or their platform or their fees, THEN BOUNCE. It kills me to see yet another tool up here beating up Payoneer over their business model and fees. I don't see you complaining to other Program managers that you don't like their payouts? Why aren't you complaining about how you don't like your processors fee structure either? At the end of the day businesses make decisions based on their business. If you aren't able to make that decision or you didn't read your contract, don't come up on the board with the brights on lighting up someone trying to help. Talia hasn't done anything to mislead anyone. You on the other hand have. |
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Talia: Please post a PLAIN ENGLISH explanation of how your fees work and when and where they are applied. Currently the fees page on your website (and has for a long time) just gives an error. An example, from load to withdrawal would do wonders for this conversation. Paxum on the other hand gives you an up front declaration of their fees and its not hidden behind having to sign up, either. For reference: https://www.paxum.com/payment/fees.p...views/fees.xsl |
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That is the connection. Sorry you can't come to terms with their being an actual connection and your entire argument being flawed right from the get go. Would you trust someone that just put money into a murderers hand to take care of your most private information and not misuse it? Not me! I don't have facts these people did anything? So I can just assume that 9/11 never happened because I have never seen the buildings, right? I'm just repeating what the US government told me, right? Last of all the guy did nothing wrong, he was a militant and was responsible for buying weapons for Hamas, a politically elected party that runs their small strip of land democratically. Do you think Obama, Clinton, Carter and all the other presidents are alive because they oversaw the murder of children and women? Payoneer was run by a guy who had close connections to Israeli meddling and all of a sudden forged documents appear in their hands and they have Payoneer cards to fund their dirty work. Thinking Payoneer had nothing to do with it is a joke at best. You don't know I don't support terrorism myself but was a formerly part of a terrorist organization? No. But Payoneer's (ex?) ceo definitely did, admittedly so. Making that connection isn't too hard. The reason I'm saying something about this '60 year old beef' is because just like you love sucking Payoneer cock, I don't want any company that funds/helps terrorists to succeed in this world. |
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I haven't had time to change over every program since switching them all from epassporte to check (only maybe 15-20% so far) but the only program I am using with payoneer as a payout is AWEmpire because they do not offer Paxum.. (Everything else so far was switched to Paxum if it was offered).. I'm actually thinking of switching AWEmpire back to check because of the payoneer fees and just keeping the account as a last resort option for P2P transactions in the event someone can only pay me via payoneer.. |
Welcome Talia
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Thats what my experience has been anyways. |
no more replies from Payoneer Support here?
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Well I guess we know how 'committed' payoneer is to the adult market.
And their internal 'pricing and fees' page is still broken. |
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I am REALLY sorry about the problem you've had. I already answered your email, but I have escalated this to our manager and am literally breathing down their neck to get this resolved. In the future, speaking to everyone, if you ever have a problem, please email me directly at [email protected] with your ticket ID (it's just easier if you already have a ticket open, but you can email me the moment you've opened the ticket) and I will escalate the case. I am online during the weekend, too, so I don't ignore email at all, I promise. |
Payoneer sucks and is uncompetitive here's why:
-3% surcharge on FOREX (ie if we take out cash from our USD account in EUROPE 3% extra is billed on top of actual rate) -$5 instant loading fee to put funds on mastercard -No peer to peer transfers |
Hey do u have icq ?? or phone where i can reach u at
I have some problems ... need to talk Also why are ur rates so rocking high compares to others when money withdrawn via ATM |
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It couldn't be that you don't actually want your customers to be able to transparently see what they are going to be charged, could it? thanks for your kind attention to this EDIT: tinafaye brings up a good question. So how much do you guys add on to FOREX conversions? |
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We aren't hiding fees, and if the page was down, I didn't see, but I will definitely let our R&D people know once I know what page you are talking about. We have been in business for 6 years and we have a proven track record, we aren't looking to screw anyone over. Regarding the Forex fees, we do not tack on anything. The FX rates are set by MasterCard every day - you can see the list here: https://www.mastercard.com/global/cu...ion/index.html We have an ATM fee, but so do the other companies (plural, I'm not talking about one in particular). This fee isn't a percentage, it's a flat fee. We don't make any extra money from converting your money from USD to your local currency. I know this personally, but I even double-checked this manually and through our management, and we have no reason to lie - that would be bad business. |
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How does the company that uses same bank as you do does not have it and you DO ??? Will you add that fee on ACH when you have it? |
Hi RaiderCash,
I don't have a different answer than before, because the answer is exactly what it was: The cross border fee is not a fee that we invented, it's a MasterCard fee. We don't even keep a percentage of that fee - every cent goes to MasterCard. It's hard for me to believe that another company that uses Mastercard wouldn't pay that fee because they're get into trouble with MC. The only other way I see it is that it's somehow embedded in a different fee like the conversion rate. I don't work at the other companies so I can't speak for them. But like I've said before, if you Google cross-border fee you will see that it is on MasterCard's own website. We already have ACH in the US and we do not have a cross border fee there for the simple reason that it's not MasterCard but bank transfers. We will not have cross border fees on any ACH type program. |
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Your fees are different according to who I receive money from? And/or who I sign up with? In my account I have a 'private load fee' of ~$10 on ~$300 I received from someone else. What is that about? thanks for checking on the page I think it would go really far if you could run over the fees that you do charge, say within the US and outside of the US, because as you can see there is a lot of confusion. thanks |
Hi BigLuv,
I would really appreciate it if you would PM me or email me your account email address so that I can look into this and see what the problem is. I haven't heard of this problem (which doesn't mean they don't know). Also which partner you use, of course, since it may be with the specific partner. The reason our fees are different per partner aren't so that we make your life harder. It would probably be easiest for us to have a flat fee structure across the board. Our service isn't offered directly to the users, but to the company. When we talk to a partner, we make a fee structure that suits that company's needs and the needs of their users. This is why fees can generally be different between partners. It's not that we make you pay a fee with one partner but not another - some partners want to pay certain fees instead of their users. The process of signing on a new partner is a long process where we literally custom-make a pricing plan for them. Each partner knows their users better than we can. They know how their users earn their money and in what amounts and what would be best for them. In most cases, the deal made with each individual partner is, indeed, the best one that can be made. In the same way, there will always be people who fall between the cracks, and the same goes for other companies. Take for example someone who gets one or two payments a month - these people would specifically earn a lot more money with a monthly program than an annual program, not to mention those who don't receive payments but have already paid for the card. Again, it is REALLY important for me to stress that I am not slamming anyone else's company and procedure. On a personal level, I don't think there's only way to do things, and each company has their own decision process involved in how they structure their fees. In all cases I am sure that it is structured to fit the needs of their customers, or at least the widest group possible of their users. I completely understand the confusion with these fees and that's why we post them under My Account (and any partner that you sign up for the card with), to minimize the confusion. |
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Just in case you missed this up above:
Is Payoneer still giving cards out to terrorists with fake ids to use to carry out terrorist attacks? What investigations happened internally when you guys found out you played a vital role in a terrorist attack? |
Welcome. Talia, the new Director of Community at Payoneer. Have a good day.
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Hey y'all, just wanted you to know that we have P2P enabled now for all of our adult partners - and it's free until July 31. Head over this way for more details: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1021348
BY the way, just so y'all know, this is a direct result of you guys requesting it. |
When will you have ACH withdraw option?
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Hi RaiderCash,
We've had ACH withdrawal available in the US for a long time (longer than I've been in the company). As for international, we have already started, but it's rolling out on a country by country (and partner) basis. We are planning on opening it up to everyone (as long as the partner doesn't object) within the next few months. TechCrunch wrote about it a few weeks ago, too: http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/20/payoneer/ |
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Yuval Tal is our president, yes, but not our CEO. This isn't something we are hiding. He is brilliant and has founded and been CEO of many multi-million dollar financial companies, which is why Payoneer is doing so well - his experience and insights are incredible.
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By the way, we started a new referral program, you can read about it here: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18265973
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Regardless, his experience, knowledge, and expertise only make the company stronger and more trustworthy, not less. |
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