becase its now free on tube sites and on forums, but we all seem to stick our heads inh the sand and pretend its not a fact.

if we predend hard enogh we hope it will go away.

but it does not.

sorry.

sales mnay be higher, but its not seen as value.

tracking may not be easy inless somone develops some code to do this thats inserted into the film.

but one simple option is to offer say a $50 reward.

A lot of people would be happy to report a stolen film, and as i say if you can get there info from it you can send them a nice big bill. at very least stop there membership and tell other sites of them to stop them becoming a member again.

plus i am not sure they would want people to download films with there details in it. i do not think you would want millions of people downloading a film with your name and address in it.

If you manage to get someone to do that for you so that it cannot be removed again then that will make you much more money than porn ever will :)

even for pay sites i have said before if you could insert the members address and name into it. they would not post a film again. it would kill pirate films dead. no one wants others to have there name and adrress on a tube site. they only post as they think know one knows who they are. its a game changer when people do.

I would fucking love to see you in front of the Dragons on Dragon's Den with this.

You are fucking clueless.

I'm out.

If something like .xxx marginalizes online porn, then DVDs will be back.

Porn will always be around, no matter what.

I also think a lot of my stuff is actually soft enough to travel by mail without too much worry.

All contingencies are worth thinking about....

i would think it easer to do this for buring a disc as its just a case of taking the info say from a data base then as the disc is burnt its inserted into it.

it may be harder for say a pay site as it would probably slow the download of films up as each download would have to be generated each time.

if your burning disks, even if it takes a few days to do a whole batch, so what. as its only done say once a moth. and as i say i am sure firms would offer this service.

under your own argument you would close your strip clubs and put them online.

yet people go to them.

thus showing the internet is not all the answer, but just one answer.

What if I hacked your pass to a site and posted the content on sites? You would then be the one to blame as it would have your info on it.

Morph

you bring up a good point.

i suspect as years go on, it will be harder to sell porn.

somone told me that on '3' mobile phone network (UK) they charge you £5 per month to access any porn site on your phone.

I suspect some isp's will do the same. Its a great way to increase revenue and also cut down peoples web use.

and clealy more tube sites and forums will open with more stolen content.

to be honest, in the last few months i keep thinking of simply opening a few pirated tube sites. join all your sites, nick your content and upload. slam a few dating banners up. sit back, watch the cash role in. most of you seem content for tube sites to do this these days.

and then post why we should promote your site.

Burning is the easy part, it can be done now. It can also be removed again.

to be honest i use a good security system.

these days i think if a site is secure it makes it harder to hack a site.

even if you hacked a site, often it will detent its coming from a different location and auto block you.

but again as i said online its not easy. and as you say there are problems. plus the problem thaty people may be ablel to access all the customers details.

so yes your correct to say online is a pain.

this is why i said burning to blu-ray cuts out all the problems.

in other words your surporting the logic of selling via blu-ray over online content.

What you going on about? Strip clubs?

I have affiliates that promote my network via blogs and creative sites, and I have some that promote via tubes.

The non-tube affiliates sell rings around the idiotic tube site promotions!

Tube sites are where surfers go for FREE PORN!

Tubes DO NOT convert in any way that makes a lick of sense....

It seems the "golden times" of Internet porn have passed. Good luck trying to make more money in these difficult Internet porn times.

as i say if put into frames, its not easy to remove.

ie, you would need to go frame by frame to find it.

its like on tv, they for fun put rude words or pics into a tv show. you never see it as its so quick. its only seen when done frame by frame.

they used to do this with betty boo cartoons. the odd frame had x rated betty boo pics.

no pirate is going to spend 100 hours plus going frame by frame on a film. it would also be insderted at random places.

plus the pirate would not be sure if its been inserted in code format too.

you could even add thge address tiny within say a small area.

so not only would you have to go frame by frame, but zoom into each frame.

like an electronic micro dot.

How much time have you or an agent of yours spent in the past 6 months sending out DMCA or equivalent for your content?

All easily overcome with automation I'm afraid.

i would have thought that.

though i do suspect they do great sales for dating sites.

you go watch for free then think cool i am horney and want a date.

tubes de-value your content.

even the legit tube sites have enough content on them from a site to not make you want to join.

most sites offer 3 mins free sample for tube sites. well i only need 1 min and thats enogh for me.

I don't mean your site personally. You said if site owners inserted members names & address in to the content then the content wouldn't be uploaded to tubes etc. But lets say you had a membership to Killergram and I hacked your password to Killergram and posted content on tubes, Killergram would finger you as the one who did it because it came from your user/pass.

Morph

But don't you want to join for the higher quality versions? Isn't that effectively what you said before?

i am not sure.

plus your presuming most pirates are techno savy sat with all the softwear in the world.

most i suspect are just average people who 'presume' its ok to upload your content.

i suspect most would not have the ability to do the most basic vid editing, nore mind any clever stuff.

sure it still leaves a small amount who could. but at least it reduces the amount a lot.

i am not sure what you mean.

Meh - you'd have to make the content reach out and suck the guy's dick to be good enough for them to wait weeks vs. seconds on a tube for non-exclusive content.

sorry

i did understand what you meant.

and i was agreeing with you.

online it is a pain to do as you saaid for that reason as well as others.

if it could be done it would be great. but online i think its a right pain in the bottom to do. and so i suspect it will not be done.

however blu-ray has non ov those problems, unless of couse you send the disc to the wrong person. then you have a problem. or perhaps the disc is intersepted in the post (as in stolen).

yes your right.

however my point is online membership per month v's monthy membership to a film.

now at least with my methods in theory your content is less likly to be on tubes.

so say your nich is girls wearing carrots on there heads. your unlikly to find that on a tube site. so if thats what they want they should sign up.

one big plus is that i would sugest that my method credit card payments are less likly to be declined mainly as you have a rwal address and so less likley the credit card will be stolen.

No, I agree, most aren't techno savvy. But I'd say there are enough to defeat the measures put in place, to the same degree as they are doing now with the current online and offline stuff!

I thought you were saying before that the higher quality stuff would sell because it was higher quality, not because of quantity. Or did I get that wrong?

to be honest i suspect most who post to tubes are just average joe.

to go that techno i not sure many would bother, mainly as there seems to be no reward for them, and also i am not sure they would feel 100% everything was removed.

ie, you may back it up by inserting say a unique code. they may not know about it, but you do.

i would say it would be worth doing as to be honest i suspect they would be much happier ripping off online pay sites where they know its easy to do. plus can uses a false address.

studies have shown a very small amount of people are responsible for the majority of shared content.

that's why you see tube accounts with hundreds/thousands of videos.

they are using automation/outsourcing to upload.

they are doing it because they watermark the vids to promote their own sites.

you whole idea sucks.

sort of

i was saying it has to be perseaved as quality.

ie, you can get a bottle of water, add a bit of orage, and sell it for £3. People see it as quality. yes it may just be tap water and a teaspoon of chead asda orange mixed in.

but put a sexy label on it, and a sexy advert, and sell in in the best shops, people love it.

sell the same stuff in a cheap shop, on the bottom shefe, covered in dust for 20p it will not sell.

thats my point.

not realy becase you will have worked out who it is, so you can contact every other site not to sell to them.

thus making it impossible for them to buyt.

it shuts them down in affect.

also in some ways your doing that.

with blu-rayt by adding extras, such as different angels your giving them much more than a tube could.

plus have you seen 3d online. its horrid. but fantasic on blu ray.

how it done now you idiot? use your head.

You are not getting what I am saying. There are programs that do it for you. unique codes are detected. If a random, unique code or whatever can be put in, it can be taken back out, reverse engineered from the original software that put it in.

You cannot police it on a viable scale.

no

bease they can use a stolen credit card and give a false address.

plus you do not know which member uploaded the films. so it cannot be done.

my method you can tell who uploaded the films.

sdo with respect you are wrong.

true

but i would say it would reduce it.

plus as i sday the films would not be no way near as good as the ble-ray.

in effect its a cut down version.

you wouldd ver have a 100% effective solution as evertyime you get somthing, some smug 10 year old will work out how to crack it.

but its still worth trying to simply reduce. or encourage them to do other sites.

its a bit like having 10 banks. 9 or wooden, while the tenth is 50 foot walls, 100 security stagg, machine guns. while no 10 may be still possible to break in, most would do the other banks for ease.

The films would be as near to the quality of the original blu-ray that you wouldn't even notice the difference.

You say it is still worth trying, but I will come back to an earlier question I asked that you haven't answered.

How much time have you or an agent of yours spent in the past 6 months sending out DMCA or equivalent for your content?

It takes one serious uploader that knows what he is doing to rip your DVD and put it online.

Doesn't matter about the rest that don't know what they are doing, your content is now out there, un-encoded for all to share.