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lagcam 03-24-2011 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17998108)
Is something happening in this thread?

Today, 01:12 PM
will76
This message is hidden because will76 is on your ignore list.
You really look an idiot when you do this Robbie.

I think that blanking people because you disagree with them about something is childish enough, but if you don't have the capacity to ignore without it, then I understand but coming into their threads and posting that they are on your ignore list is well just pathetic man.

You always had a good reputation and I enjoy reading your posts, but this makes you look as pointless as the majority here.

Anyway, good luck Will. I don't see it as sig whoring in your case btw. I am sure many have signed up to clickcash because of you without your ref link, so it's time you added it.

Robbie 03-24-2011 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lagcam (Post 18001999)
You really look an idiot when you do this Robbie.

I think that blanking people because you disagree with them about something is childish enough, but if you don't have the capacity to ignore without it, then I understand but coming into their threads and posting that they are on your ignore list is well just pathetic man.

You always had a good reputation and I enjoy reading your posts, but this makes you look as pointless as the majority here.

Anyway, good luck Will. I don't see it as sig whoring in your case btw. I am sure many have signed up to clickcash because of you without your ref link, so it's time you added it.
Sorry if I let you down. But Will took it upon himself to enter many threads over the last year and personally try to ridicule and insult me. For no reason at all. I've never met the guy, but he decided to act like a jackass to me.

And I do have to admit that yeah...like everybody else in this world I'm more than capable of having childish fun. And that's exactly what I did.

My view of this is that Will spent the last couple of years insulting the majority of people on here, and pissing them off with his rants...and now he's back in a gig that requires the ability to reach out to people and not be a troll all the time. So he's gonna pay the price of his last few years of acting so damn mean on here.

Hopefully he'll take a lesson from that and learn to be more civil and respectful of people in his industry in the future.

I think that me pointing out that he is on my ignore list serves two purposes:
1. It gave me a juvenile giggle to do it.

2. Now that he has a job representing a company...he may (or may not) realize just how many Click Cash affiliates out here have him on ignore already, which seriously damages his worth to the company if their own affiliates just don't like the guy because of his insanity over the last few years.

will76 03-24-2011 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lagcam (Post 18001999)
You really look an idiot when you do this Robbie.

I think that blanking people because you disagree with them about something is childish enough, but if you don't have the capacity to ignore without it, then I understand but coming into their threads and posting that they are on your ignore list is well just pathetic man.

You always had a good reputation and I enjoy reading your posts, but this makes you look as pointless as the majority here.

Anyway, good luck Will. I don't see it as sig whoring in your case btw. I am sure many have signed up to clickcash because of you without your ref link, so it's time you added it.
thanks.... its all about me trying to maximize my time making money. If I am going to post here I might as well try to make some wm referral sales.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18002018)

My view of this is that Will spent the last couple of years insulting the majority of people on here, and pissing them off with his rants...and now he's back in a gig that requires the ability to reach out to people and not be a troll all the time. So he's gonna pay the price of his last few years of acting so damn mean on here.
Maybe I am missing something here, how can Robbie have a "view" if he can't read my posts ??

some one cue Robbie in that I don't have a job... lol thanks.

Traffic Guru 03-24-2011 01:08 PM
Ar least you are trying.

halfpint 03-24-2011 01:53 PM
First ..my sig is way better than yours :winkwink:

Never had a prob with you Will, mind you iv never had a prob with most GFY posters... it all goes over my head lol


Anyways... best of luck and hope it works out for you

cherrylula 03-24-2011 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18002018)
My view of this is that Will spent the last couple of years insulting the majority of people on here, and pissing them off with his rants...and now he's back in a gig that requires the ability to reach out to people and not be a troll all the time. So he's gonna pay the price of his last few years of acting so damn mean on here.

Hopefully he'll take a lesson from that and learn to be more civil and respectful of people in his industry in the future.
yeah he's dished it out pretty good... psychotically :1orglaugh

no way I'd contact *anyone* like that for biz... l-o-fucking-l

good luck new will76

*chuckles*

will76 03-24-2011 02:39 PM
The love is strong in this thread...

lazycash 03-24-2011 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J$tyle$ (Post 18001027)
No negative connotation. It was just a statement of fact.

You are a glorified affiliate rep.

Definition of glorified
adj. Made to appear more important or better than it actually is; as, The Chief Financial Officer was little more than a glorified accountant.

Your explanation proves the point :winkwink:

Don't dispute it.

OWN IT :thumbsup

BTW - if you're you as awesome and effective an affiliate rep as you say, why haven't you cut a deal paying you low six figures + commissions as a REAL affiliate rep to offset the declining revenues you've seen as an affiliate the past few years?

Seems to me you probably left at least half a million bucks on the table the past 2-3 years by doing what you do for "free" with the hopes of referral $ :2 cents:

On a lighter note, you're holding up well on keeping it positive :)

Keep up the good work!
So by your logic you're nothing more than a glorified affiliate rep for ztod because you have their banner in your sig, and yes I know they just hired you.

lazycash 03-24-2011 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 18001963)
am I the only one confused as how someone who claims to have made over 7 million dollars with a program is now sig whoring for them?

it's like 1 + 1 = 3
So putting any advertising in your sig is now considered sig whoring?

will76 03-24-2011 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18002580)
I wasn't digging, just a little research because I just might be interested. All I found was a piss-poor circle jerk of webcam domains/sites all backlinked together. Meaning, if you're netting $175k a year with the Network I've seen then I am for damn sure interested due to my (last) Adult Co contract is finished as of the first.

I've always liked what you write Will so I'm not pulling your chain and again, I was more then interested. WTS, as you mention it was not you and I believe it, but why would so many using your nic/addy info who just happen to be in the same niche pointing to Clickcash? I just found it odd and too busy to dig deeper. :2 cents:
Can you contact me and let me know which sites you came across that were using my nic/addy ? I looked at one of the ones you mentioned, LazyDollars and can't find my info anywhere on the whois or anywhere on the site. Why did you think I owned that ?

lagcam 03-24-2011 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18002548)
So putting any advertising in your sig is now considered sig whoring?
Indeed. I hope That Sleazydream Motivational Speakers Inc are paying you enough to offset your reduction in board credibility :)

J$tyle$ 03-24-2011 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18002538)
So by your logic you're nothing more than a glorified affiliate rep for ztod because you have their banner in your sig, and yes I know they just hired you.
No.

Although I have the title VP of Online Sales and Marketing - one of my core duties includes being an ACTUAL affiliate rep ... not glorified.

When I was the President of CE back in its' heyday I still considered myself an affiliate rep for the company.

I don't hide from it. There's no shame in it. It's one of several things I excel at.

Bottom line is I'm just busting Will's balls because of a post he made in my announcement thread. On a more serious note, I admire his fortitude :winkwink:

CyberHustler 03-24-2011 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 17999324)
sure he's a troll (arn't we all) but he's a troll with a brain. those are the most dangerous and the most fun to deal with!
You should copywrite this... :2 cents:

will76 03-24-2011 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18002919)
Sure, but first I want to do a little more research because me and another are looking for a fit on a lot of 404 and ancillary (US) traffic that I'm certain would be perfect for this. WTS, I want to figure out my findings and then I'll contact you.

LazyDollars- I'll find all information plus add other interesting things I've pulled. Give me a few days. :thumbsup
ok thanks.

BAKO 03-24-2011 09:22 PM
Dont really know who Will is and dont give a fuck about him at all.

Robbie 03-24-2011 09:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18002022)
Maybe I am missing something here, how can Robbie have a "view" if he can't read my posts ??

some one cue Robbie in that I don't have a job... lol thanks.
Well, I took you off "ignore". And now I read this? And you don't have a job? WTF? I thought that was what this thread was about? And my "view" is based on the insane shit you've done on GFY the last couple of years angering people and now you are catching grief for it.

I didn't need to see your new posts to know why I put you on ignore to begin with.

Anyway, you're off of it now since you actually are doing something that could make me a dollar. Welcome back.

lagcam 03-24-2011 09:40 PM
If you have a sponsor that has been converting very well you have two choices.

1. Keep quiet about it and enjoy it as long as it lasts.

2. Broadcast about it and hope people click your referral link and sign up under you so you can earn from their success also.

Sometimes of course, you do choice 1 until ratios start deteriorating more rapidly and then do step 2 which is my guess here.

It is a decent enough strategy but not without risk as more people promoting a site, more saturated it gets and therefore more difficult to find new customers.

As affiliates of most of the major sites already know.

TheDoc 03-24-2011 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17999503)
I've followed your blog for a while and generally like your posts, but you completely lost me in this thread. I've promoted cams solely for 12 years and have followed the affiliate/program cam scene closer than anyone over that period. I've promoted every cam program out there and have a 12 yr old clickcash account that is still active, never missed a payment.

In 2004-2005 Clickcash had more affiliates than all other cam programs combined, in fact more than any other adult program. They went through a period of purging spammer's/tos violaters accounts or stopping payment on those that failed to fax in the signed tos agreement, but I've never seen any proof at all of them "scamming" anyone as you put it. The problem with Clickcash is that up until 2 years ago they had almost no board/forum presence. So all it took was few affiliates who had a problem to bitch and complain on the boards with no response, to make something appear much bigger than it was.

To say that they have scammed 1000's of affiliates is complete bullshit, please list some of these top names in the industry and how they were promoting CC. If Will putting a Clickcash banner in his sig "shocked" you, then it makes me wonder how closely you even follow this board. He's been the biggest trumpeter of Clickcash over the last 7 years on this board, and has taken his own time to help 100's of CC affiliates.

I don't care if you think Will is an ass, but saying things like Clickcash has fucked over the industry and scammed 1000's of affiliates is just utter nonsense.

What is it with you people on this board?



Google this: site:gfy.com clickcash ifriends

Enter any range of words you want: canceling account, scam, fraud, owes me money... you can get crazy, try peoples names, domains, all type so stuff and the posts keep coming - and not all of GFY is indexed either.

And, it happened to me directly, so even if it happened to nobody else, I would still bitch & have. And I can see many named people in our Industry in those searches with similar complaints too...

And... that's just GFY.

So I have no idea why you missed it, maybe you didn't really make any money and you just slipped by the radar of being bent over.... but without question, many of us did.


If you don't think I've been riding them for years, here's one post I just happened to see, dated: 09-20-2008, 02:54 PM http://www.gfy.com/14782747-post6.html


You're Playing The Memory Game With The Wrong Person.

DangerX !!! 03-24-2011 10:11 PM
Will, you're sexy!

will76 03-25-2011 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18003120)
Well, I took you off "ignore". And now I read this? And you don't have a job? WTF? I thought that was what this thread was about? And my "view" is based on the insane shit you've done on GFY the last couple of years angering people and now you are catching grief for it.

I didn't need to see your new posts to know why I put you on ignore to begin with.

Anyway, you're off of it now since you actually are doing something that could make me a dollar. Welcome back.
I've always caught grief on here for various reasons, nothing new and no big deal. I've never tried to appease anyone. All I am changing now is trying to stop myself from getting caught up in the bullshit of wasted time arguing and fighting about nonsense and to make my time here at least have the chance of generating some money.

This thread was just an announcement that I was going to play nicer, be available to help people with clickcash, and explanation of why I had banner since usually I had no sig and I know people would be asking/assuming. Although, I did have a little fun with the thread title knowing my "fans" would be hoping I either got a J.O.B. or that I had a falling out with them :winkwink: that is until they actually read my post.

will76 03-25-2011 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lagcam (Post 18003137)
If you have a sponsor that has been converting very well you have two choices.

1. Keep quiet about it and enjoy it as long as it lasts.

2. Broadcast about it and hope people click your referral link and sign up under you so you can earn from their success also.

Sometimes of course, you do choice 1 until ratios start deteriorating more rapidly and then do step 2 which is my guess here.

It is a decent enough strategy but not without risk as more people promoting a site, more saturated it gets and therefore more difficult to find new customers.

As affiliates of most of the major sites already know.
I thought that way early on, first couple years (01,02,03) I didn't want to mention anything. But then I quickly realized how big the internet was and that the chances of someone advertising clickcash in the exact same spot I was was slim. I know I don't reach .001% of the people online. Also, chances are they going to find out about clickcash one way or the other regardless if they saw me mention it or not. I look at it as extra income. I don't feel it decreases my affiliate revenue one bit. At worst if someone did compete with me for the same traffic with clickcash I would hope I would make at least 10% off of them.

Also I do volume and do to their tiered payout system if someone did want to compete with me I would have an edge as I hit some of the higher tiers. $20 a sign up can very well make difference if a campaign is profitable or loses money.

Personally, I'd rather find 10 people like me, and help them and I would still make the same amount of money, or even better find 20 people. While I did well with wm referrals when I made a big push at in 2005 with teamclickcash, the most I did was about 250 - 300K in wm referral sales from my efforts. What I wanted to do different with wm referrals was actually help people after they signed up vs just getting them to signup to the program like 99% of the people do who through out links or advertise a sponsor.

lazycash 03-25-2011 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18003170)
What is it with you people on this board?



Google this: site:gfy.com clickcash ifriends

Enter any range of words you want: canceling account, scam, fraud, owes me money... you can get crazy, try peoples names, domains, all type so stuff and the posts keep coming - and not all of GFY is indexed either.

And, it happened to me directly, so even if it happened to nobody else, I would still bitch & have. And I can see many named people in our Industry in those searches with similar complaints too...

And... that's just GFY.

So I have no idea why you missed it, maybe you didn't really make any money and you just slipped by the radar of being bent over.... but without question, many of us did.


If you don't think I've been riding them for years, here's one post I just happened to see, dated: 09-20-2008, 02:54 PM http://www.gfy.com/14782747-post6.html


You're Playing The Memory Game With The Wrong Person.
I can enter those searches for any affiliate program and come up with some negative feedback based on a few affiliates who had a negative experience. I have no idea what your exact experience was with CC, and I'm not here to defend them on every single affiliate complaint over the years as I have nothing to gain by doing so. I'm just saying that to say they scammed 1000's of affiliates is 100% bullshit. You haven't bothered to shed any details on how you thought they scammed affiliates or your exact situation with them. You just threw out a wild blanket statement, that under usual circumstances would have already prompted an insta ban by the mods.

I will gladly play the memory game with you anytime, I know gfy history like the back of my hand and even more so, know the history of webcam programs. I've corresponded with 1000's of webcam affiliates over the years and have a good of a pulse on the niche as anyone.

papill0n 03-25-2011 12:47 AM
Ive had my clickcash acct for about 10 years.

Earnt plenty with them and had the least amount of hassles.

Machete_ 03-25-2011 02:16 AM
Why do pathological liars with delusions of grandeur flock to forums like this?

What is it with these sad sows who come here and do nothing but post lies about how awesome they are and how great their life is? Do they just suffer from low self esteem and post their lies here in an attempt to make themselves feel better?

Willy, you are an unemployed broke ass idiot. Just stop posting your nonsense already.

theking 03-25-2011 02:28 AM
He admits to being unemployed and does not have a business and is now sig whoring so it seems apparent that he does not have a great deal of money and if he in fact had actually earned 7 million dollars he is one piss poor manager of money.

will76 03-25-2011 02:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18003363)
He admits to being unemployed and does not have a business and is now sig whoring so it seems apparent that he does not have a great deal of money and if he in fact had actually earned 7 million dollars he is one piss poor manager of money.
Pathfinder, you are correct sir. I haven't been "employed" for 11 years. The last time I had a J.O.B. was in college. Hate to tell you but "self employed" does not mean "unemployed" lol.

theking 03-25-2011 02:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18003375)
Pathfinder, you are correct sir. I haven't been "employed" for 11 years. The last time I had a J.O.B. was in college. Hate to tell you but "self employed" does not mean "unemployed" lol.
I would assume that to be self employed one has to have a business to employ ones self. What business do you own...if you care to say.

lazycash 03-25-2011 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18003380)
I would assume that to be self employed one has to have a business to employ ones self. What business do you own...if you care to say.
So are you saying that all of the 1000's of webmasters who promote affiliate programs are not self employed?

BJ 03-25-2011 02:56 AM
anywho, will76 may be annoying and what not, but I do believe his 7mil claim as I made a consistent 5-10k per week with clickash for over 2 years and I did not do what he did, with permission from big al, so....

theking 03-25-2011 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18003386)
So are you saying that all of the 1000's of webmasters who promote affiliate programs are not self employed?
Well...they do not own a business...but they of course are independent sales persons...which makes them self employed...to some extent...but they are sales persons who are paid by people that own a business.

lazycash 03-25-2011 03:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18003390)
Well...they do not own a business...but they of course are independent sales persons...which makes them self employed.
Well then you just answered your own question to Will.

theking 03-25-2011 03:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 18003394)
Well then you just answered your own question to Will.
Re read my post...and the fact is when you are a sales person for someone else you are not truly self employed. Being self employed would be when one owns a business and pays ones self...not being paid by someone else.

papill0n 03-25-2011 03:07 AM
theking you need some sleep man

theking 03-25-2011 03:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18003400)
theking you need some sleep man
self-em·ployed
   /ˈsɛlfɛmˈplɔɪd, ˌsɛlf-/ Show Spelled[self-em-ploid, self-] Show IPA
?adjective
earning one's living directly from one's own profession or business, as a freelance writer or artist, rather than as an employee earning salary or commission from another.

SmokeyTheBear 03-25-2011 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18001967)
well then as a script kiddie, you're age appropreate.
if you spent more time in school instead of on a roof you would know how to spell appropriate :) i wear my script kiddie badge with pride.. :thumbsup

Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18001967)

if you had any talent, I'd have hired you.
bwahaha keep dreaming 12sniffs.. a quick internet search of your past says i would never work for you.
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18001967)
as it is, you had to beg for work here.
i have never worked for anyone here. you have your delusions mixed up.

SmokeyTheBear 03-25-2011 08:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18001976)
just noticed your sig change.
lost another job?
you actually spend time watching my sig ? lol you are very pathetic old man.. see if you can figure out the rubiks cube..:winkwink::1orglaugh

12clicks 03-25-2011 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18003897)
bwahaha keep dreaming 12sniffs.. a quick internet search of your past says i would never work for you.
right. I only hire skilled employees.:1orglaugh

12clicks 03-25-2011 09:06 AM
I love bottom rungers who just can't help themselves and continue to get themselves wet pissing up at their betters

lazycash 03-25-2011 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18003390)
Well...they do not own a business...but they of course are independent sales persons...which makes them self employed....

Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 18003398)
...and the fact is when you are a sales person for someone else you are not truly self employed.
:helpme:helpme



Seriously, you aren't even good at trolling, just give it up already.

TheDoc 03-25-2011 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18004093)
right. I only hire skilled employees.:1orglaugh
Showing your true colors early today.....

STB is one of the most uniquely skilled coders in our entire Industry. His work has even melted the minds of the some the best coders our Industry has.

You wont find anyone that agrees with you, at least anyone that isn't just another troll.


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