Oh it was a cracker. :)

He posted about some surfer who apparently wrote an email to him telling him how amazing he was and how his business skills are the envy of all pornographers ... that he got what the industry embodied. Thing was that this 'surfer' used a lot of industry language and it was exactly the same style of writing that Markham uses.

Ok I admit it wasn't as good as the magic join links, the time when he admitted to banging an underage girl, or any of the other epic ones, but it was still an absolute cracker lol.

Probably not a good idea to bash past customers of yours on an adult webmaster forum, especially since you misled the customer as to the status of the content, and actually still owe me a refund for a couple hundred. Might discourage future customers (your lifeblood) if they realise you might turn on them if they dare to disagree with you on a message board ;)

But its ok Paul, keep it :) You obviously need it more than me

Actually only have a few sites thanks mate! I sold my program, and a lot of my sites. I am mostly in mainstream now and doing very well thanks mate. Also sold wanktube so no I won't be sending you anymore free traffic. Also great to see you lurking on our webmaster board ;)

Oh wonderful!

That's still pretty good.

Why was Marion even here? The only thing I remember him peddling besides stupidity was his corporation bullshit. Did he even try to do anything in adult ?

I have no idea..lol. He has adultadsusa.com up. I don't know of any actual adult sites that he may have up. I know there were some adult domains I saw that I associated back to him or his buddy.

My personal opinion was that he thought that the adult industry was going to be easy pickings but you know what they say about opinions.

Internet porn marketing.

Create a poor product that relies on repeat sales to make the most money.

Tell people it's amateur and this is what he buyers want and can't get. Which is BS, but it will fools idiots.

Also rip off customers.

Then because we can only sell to 99.9% of people looking at online porn, pay as much as possible to people to send traffic.

And give them as much free content as they ask for.

When buying content the cheapest price possible is always the best.

When paying for traffic the maximum price is best.

Because today only 1-2,000 or worse actually buy anything today.

Marketing genius. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No other business works like that. So they're all stupid. :1orglaugh

Buying cheap content and then screaming it's saturated. Idiot, that's the idea of cheap content. But obviously lots of others had bought it been successful with it and so successful they keep buying. Seems your $600 bucks on discounted content wasn't porn webmastering brilliance. Even I could of told you that.

How did I mislead customers? By not telling them sets at $5 will sell lots of times?
Others made sign ups with it, or it wouldn't of been saturated.
Maybe the site failure was due to you.

Or you're just full of shit.

How do we owe you money?
After 7 years, we owe you money?


Well if you sold our content on those sites we will send the new owner a bill. The license specifically stated the license was not for resale. You can't resell the content as you didn't buy the content in the first place.

But as you failed in porn I guess you weren't as good as you said you were. I'm still in porn and lasted a lot longer than you. Don't work anymore and still make money. :thumbsup

You tube never sent anyone any traffic, well not enough for you to keep it.

You're full of BS. You talk about so much and in truth you knew so little. Or earned little from what you did know. Join Damina in that club.

Says you. You suspected or trolled it was from a surfer and the rest was based on that.

I sold to the same customers for 20 years and at prices in the $1,000s. That's a mark of my success. You probably retained a guy for 3 moths and thought it was great. :1orglaugh

This guy is so full of shit. I knew it when he was posting on hahahahahahaha. Thought he was an expert at so many things.

Then buys cheap content, expecting it not to be sold elsewhere. Puts a lot of it in the tour. And complains I over sold it.

That's the idea of a content producer, to sell content as many times as possible and when a set is $5 to $10 it will sell in the 100s.

Thought $5 content was going to do the job of $500 content. :upsidedow

As per usual we have Paul claiming what a expert he is in every aspect of the porn industry.

I bet you have 2 domains and 14 raws you fucking clown.

I've been at this 33 years. Not bad for a fucking clown.
Must be dead easy to make it in porn if a clown can last that long.

Of course most of you guys will be gone in a couple because of your brilliant market.

Sites sell badly, so we will make content worse, traffic better and give away tons of content. Then maybe 1-2,000 will buy something. :upsidedow

Another troll joins the thread.

Yes, it's amazing how far lying gets you.

So Paul, why will you post pics of the mansion you leave near but you are too scared to post a pic of what 33 years at the top of your game has bought you.

Whilst you have to get your wife to type letters and make tea for cash.

Is there anyway on here to block people totally so that I never have to end up reading their posts like , for ever. So I dont have to end up losing valuable moments of my life that will never be recovered?

Don't forget the cleaning snow from peoples' drives job also. She is a worker Eva, I will say that for her.

Paul, I would venture to guess that you made most of your money over the 33 years shooting porn. How much have you made from your membership site or advertising online. If you wanted to talk about shooting content, i'd listen with an open mind what you have to say since that is something I know nothing about. However when it comes to membership sites and marketing online, you have no clue what you are doing and its very apparent.

You're in the process of writing an eBook, which you hope to sell, and earn a profit from. Oh, and the shoot with Manwin. Really though, it doesn't get much lower than an eBook.

At least be honest, instead of being so hypocritical. It's like there's 3 or 4 Paul Markham's posting on the board. People will respect you more if you show a bit more honesty.

I'm opening up some new offices for my staff and am really looking forward to Paul's new ebook, "Efficient Toilet Placement to Maximize Employee Productivity"

I liked you better when I thought you were dead.

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The only thing that I can tell you Paul is that one can lead horses (asses) to water but those same horses (asses) cannot be made to drink.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring. "

An Essay on Criticism

Alexander Pope

1711

Nothing has changed in three centuries.

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Haha. Nice try.

The difference between you and me Paul, is I am an Internet marketer. I can use techniques to sell any product, be it porn, be it any of a number of mainstream products. I have the ability to change from selling porn to selling another product, and thats what I have done.

You on the other hand are someone who depends on porn. You lack the skills, the knowledge, the ability to promote or produce anything but porn. You have often admitted recently to be struggling, but since you are a mere one trick pony, you have no option but to go down with the ship.

Anyone who has been watching you stumble your way through webmastering, and even trying to run a paysite program knows that you are as clueless as they come. LOL that reminds me ... remember that time when you got people to promote your paysite and they would signup using ccbill ... then shortly after you got a 2nd now defunct billing company and put them above the ccbill join link on your join page that affiliates were sending traffic to, so they got no credit for the 1st billing option! Just another of your little scams/fuckups i just remembered lol. :)

two months or so ago you was trying to get work writing peoples blog posts at $2 a post wasn't you? :1orglaugh

Some marketer, you and fatfoo both offering to write $2 blog posts
:upsidedow

Thats 100 blog posts you will have to write for newbies to get that back :helpme

On the basis you just got the last few remaining clueless idiot fucks from hahahahahahaha to try and sell cheap blog posts to, I'd take any lurkers you can :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Not very good either is it :( Be doing the same thing for 33 years, skint, mrs back to work and not been able to retire, when all around you became rich :2 cents:

Hey LB, it's been a while since we talked. Hit me up on ICQ some time. How is mainstream treating you ?

Paul has done well for himself.

I've heard he is now retired. ??


Sabby:)

Um no. I think you have the wrong person.

I have never done outsourcing or grunt work of any form. I think I know who you are talking about though :)

Hey Will hows it going ? :)

Yeah enjoying the change to be honest mate, something new. It's doing pretty well for me to be honest, ratios are just amazing, though harder to get traffic than in Adult.

We've only had 1 paysite for 5 years and the other for 3 years. I think and can't be bothered to research so take it as that. They are the 4rd level of earning for us, behind magazines, content store, retail video sales, then paysites and finally sales to DVD companies.

I think at the height on www.paulmarkhamteens.com we had a decent number recurring and now that's fallen. On www.astral-blue.com it's probably only 200. and as it was launched so late it's never climbed to what it could of done.

When we thought about whether to go on the Internet in a big way it was either a content store or a paysite. This was 2000. Then there were so many sites that were obviously not making a lot of money. Met tons of them and they were struggling. Even with all there so called knowledge of paysites and marketing online.

Being in Czech with a seemingly limitless supply of good looking teens who had never been shot before the potential of this market was great. A 7 out of 10 girl is worth 4-6 sets solo. Selling them in the UK, US and EU that's a turn over of $12,000 to $18,000 a girl. Selling a set online seemed the best route, we thought it would add $300 to the profit. It turned out to be far far better than that, remember the cries that "non-exclusive is saturated" that's music to a content producers ears. It means he sold the set or video a lot of times.

If you were around when I stated posting on boards you will of read I was very scathing of the quality of porn and the "marketing" which is basically. Give away as much free porn as possible and if you only convert 1-1,000 on gallery views, give away more free porn to convert 2-2,000. That's not marketing in any other industry.

As the quality of sites it was obvious putting up a site with Czech, Hungarian, Russian girls was a non starter. They didn't speak English and it would just be a site with lots of pretty girls with nothing to say. We could in no way emulate a site like FTV.

So it would of meant going back to the UK. Which would of meant losing the goldmine we had in magazine sales. We shot well over 2,000 scenes in 8 years while here. And the last year was only half a year. That's 250 scenes a year earning very good money.

Would you of given that up, to go back to the UK and shoot content for a website?

Could I of opened a paysite in 2000?

Could I of learnt how to "market online"?

Look around at some of the idiots who did.

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That's the stupidest piece of marketing advice ever. The problem is obvious. 1,000s of people are looking at his content on the gallery and simply don't want it. Banner size won't solve the problem.

But for the last 10 years that's been the basis of online porn marketing. It's not hard to learn. Which is why so many do it. And don't earn a lot.

But I don't know what I'm doing and all you guys do. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Got any proof of that? As your last purchase was in 2005 for $40 and in total you only bought $600 which you used to put on one of your Titan Bucks site. What's your proof?

What webmaster board is that?

To my knowledge he bought $600 worth of picture content from Bargain Basement, priced at $5 to $10. Then used it in his site and on his tour. Later and without any complaints beforehand he said the content was saturated and causing lots of charge backs. He didn't alter the tour, kept our saturated content on the tour.

Of course the reason it was saturated was so many others were buying from us successfully and making lots of sign ups and kept buying. Because t was cheap he expected it to be sold lass. :Oh crap

The extent of his marketing knowledge. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Or he's lying.

My job was shooting naked, hot, attractive girls and earning lots of money. Would you retire from that? :winkwink:

Yes Eva has gone out to work. She was never cut out to be a housewife, which is why we only have 1 child, and is happy working. The extra money is great. :1orglaugh

I've been telling them for nearly a decade that putting up shit sites that in the very best years only converted 2% of porn surfers and solving it by spending more on more crap free content wouldn't work long term.

Was I right?

Relax paul, you gotta know by now I love yanking your chain ;)

Was so long ago, owed me a bit as a refund because i overpaid in your system or something. I don't need it, hell it was so long ago I don't care.

You really crack me up Paul! My designer put a couple of paid for pics of your content on 1-2 of the tour pages he did from my members areas, and thats all you got on me. Seriously mate .. you really are clutching at straws if thats the best you can come up with. ;)

I think the thing is that when we are being honest, you definitely know more than most of us about shooting your brand of amateur style lightspeed similar content. We get it .. you have a paysite or two built from your content, we get it you run a small revshare program, but you are not this all knowing super marketer webmaster guru you make yourself out to be. You are some bloke who clicks a camera who hires someone to run a website for you. :)

That sums him up in total and he...apparently...does not have much to show for his 33 years of effort.

= Lying

did you post that your site was getting charge backs due to you buying cheap content that had been sold a lot?

Lightspeed copied my style, like so many teen sites then and now. It's flattering.

Yes we employed 2 full time programmers, they were cheap enough even then. And had 2 full time shooters, besides Eva and I and a 3500 sq ft studio. Not bad for a guy who doesn't know much.

If you think clicking a camera is shooting porn you're more stupid than I thought.

Go rattle Damian's chain, he's an easy target, being a failure. He will respond a lot better with shit, I respond with the truth.

You failed at porn and had to move to running a Tube site which also failed and then probably sold my content which you weren't allowed to, so a scammer as well.

And now you're a scammer.

You sold Titan Bucks and included in that sale our content. Which you had only licensed, so not able to sell content or transfer the license. You never contacted me to ask me, not got the new buyer to do the same. I will assume you did the same with other peoples non exclusive content.

Proof.

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Yes the new owners are using our content. And therefore you're a proven scammer.

And they are using it in the affiliates area. So not on the site as you said. I sent the new owners an email and will keep your ICQ.

Now you know I bite back with the truth. :mad:

yes, Paul, YOUR content is crap and doesn't sell. see, Paul does know something.

true. if he still had any of his money from the glory days he wouldn't be trolling here several hours a day and posting thousands of words a day. he'd be enjoying his life. unfortunately, after 33 years, he is still required to troll gfy for new customers every day and he will have to do that until he's dead.

after only 8 years in the business, i have half a mil in my retirement fund, 2 houses paid off, over 100 rai of land, and a few cars. no debt. after 33 years, i will be way the fuck away from this computer and enjoying my days on the front porch.

tell us more about how amazing you are Paul :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Idiot. Tell the magazines buying our content it wasn't any good. As one of the few content stores left, we must have done something right.

It's because I have enough to retire on and have done. That I can spend so long here. :upsidedow

"100 rai of land" You bought land in Thailand. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

1/2 mill in Thailand, would of seen you gone years ago. :1orglaugh

Go sell your dreams to others, we're not buying.

magazines are worth less than your diapers.

obviously you don't know what it costs to retire or you wouldn't be laughing - and you would be retired. but you aren't retired so stop trying to bullshit us. if you were truly retired, and not STILL dependent on income from your meager assets, you would be a ghost here and your shitty little content business would be closed.

after 33 years in business you still rely on current income. that's not retired and that's no dream of mine.

yes i have 100 rai in Thailand (maybe a bit more this year) and half a million in my RETIREMENT FUND (not liquid, genius). i'm not selling dreams, you are. read the garbage you write (and write and write and write). i'm just pointing out facts.

15-20 years from now i don't want to turn on a computer for any reason. i just want to watch the rice grow. THAT is retired, old man.:321GFY

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It's very flattering that so many think I missed out by not opening a paysite earlier. And not learning webmastering and marketing online better.

Obviously they are saying my content is outstanding and if I had only opened a paysite I would be as rich as possible. Not like them, broke trolls.

plsureking has bought himself a rice farm.

Damian is living in a rented tip, which he says he moved out of. But who knows with that guy.

Sausage had to get out of porn and sold off his sites. With my content in it, so a broke scammer.

theking :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

12clunks tried mainstream and couldn't hack it so came back to porn to watch it decline.

Yes If I had only opened a site and learned how to be a webmaster. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Of course I could of just opened a site and paid these clowns 60% to do what they do best and send traffic. But they're to blind to think of people who employs others to do jobs they can't be asked to do. Guess it shows they live in their back bedroom punching away like keyboard warriors. Boosting each other egos.

plsureking must hate his job to think I would retire early. He works on a keyboard in his back bedroom, I did this for a living and a very good one. :thumbsup

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Old pics, but you get the idea. And yes I troll GFY. Better than chasing bar girls in Thailand.

but the problem is paul, and why so many people don't like you is because you talk about your "4rd level of earning" sites a LOT on here and how you have the answers to fix free porn, fight tube sites, that other membership sites are doing it wrong etc.. and you are way out in left field with your ideas. You should stick to giving advice on shooting porn.

Cliff notes?

Did you copy AlienQ ?

Well at least I try to come up with solutions rather than add to the problem.

There is no "Fix" to free porn. Except for a few to create sites that are far better than the rest. Free porn = Marketing = Stupid.

Tubes as well. They are all here to stay. Just for a few sites today because the market is crap and the rest can't afford it and pay for all the free porn they give away, does that make it free or paid for?

But think about having 100 sites that are a real cut above the 1,000s of others. Didn't need tons of traffic, it's content made people sit up and take notice and members stayed longer.

Would that be a better site than one with content that wasn't special, needed ton of traffic and retention was poor?

Well how do you achieve such a site?

paul there are high quality sites with amazing retention. surely you must be aware of them as a master of all that is porn?

i'm falling asleep here.

Paul you don't have enough money to retire. Plain fucking fact. Earlier you said half a million is more than enough to retire on, so you don't even know how much it takes to retire. You are a broke working troll and will be until you die. I didn't cause that, I just called it.

If you truly didn't need the income from your job - the definition of retired - you would shut your business down and do something rewarding with your time. Or at the very least you would spend your online time in a more enthusiastic and optimistic forum. No one hangs out on gfy if they are "retired". They chat with their friends and ignore the rest. Look around -- Do you see any of the rich retired mofos hanging out? Fuck no.

My logic is sound and it defines you as a broke working troll. I'm very sorry for calling you out like that.

awaiting the next bullshit all-knowing response...

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Paul's lying about writing a PDF about porn.

Then he said you can't learn a thing from books.

Especially porn.

Then he lied pretending he had a publisher for it (LOL!).

Then most people realised he's just lying again.

HTH

Damian

Paul, I tried years ago to talk to you about these topics. I gave good advice, as did others and provided why your ideas were not good. You don't listen, it's pointless to go over it all again.

the funny thing is you are worst than paul. Paul is.... well Paul. He is old and can't help being himself. You on the other hand are not only retarded but you spend all your time obsessing about Paul. What is worst then being Paul... obsessing about Paul.

Careful there...

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Leave Paul Alone!

THIS IS ENTIRELY ABOUT 2000 AND NOT ABOUT 2011, IT'S TO LATE TO PUT THE MILK BACK IN THE BOTTLE.

Of course I know some of them and know they exist. Would you like there to be more?

Because that's what all you are arguing AGAINST. You seem to think having more top quality sites, or raising the quality of those top quality sites even higher is wrong. And that rise in quality costing the site owner LESS on his content budget.

If a site, no names, had come to a long time successful professional content producer and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. This would of been the result. A person with many years experience producing content for the top markets would of taken over the content side of the company.

The choice of who to choose for this job would depend on the sites style, niche and action. Bang Bus would of gone to a Gonzo producer, Twistys to a Playboy style shooter, ATK to someone like me. Not me someone in the US. I'm not an outstanding shooter in the magazine or DVD market. I'm one of 100s. So lots of guys to choose from.

The boss of the site could then, leave the content side of the company to an employed person or partner and got on with the marketing of the site, programming, design, etc. Jobs he was probably better at.

The new content director would of looked after the content side of the business. Including selling the content offline. So his extra costs would of come out of these sales. His position would of actually resulted in content costing the site less or the site having more and better content. A good stills shooter with access to good models who aren't shot to death is very capable of producing 100 sets a year that will sell for $300,000 in revenue to mags. Non-exclusive. The same goes for DVD production.

The result would be far better content, better traffic, better conversions and better retention = More $$$$$$$$ for everyone.

No we, with a few exceptions as Agent pointed out, went down the route of paying as little as possible for content. Then as much as possible for traffic, because ratios and retention sucked. Sponsors were asking guys to shoot exclusive sets for $150, sets and videos for $300 and still looking for a deal. While paying out 50% to 70% or high PPS amounts to get a sale and giving the affiliates every tool they possibly could, spending a lot on promoting to affiliates and supporting them. Because the site needed a ton of traffic to make a sign up.

Now you're all able to look at it with the benefit of hindsight. Would my route of meant more better sites or less?

Yes people did come to me with offers. Two of the biggest programs and one of the biggest whales. Their offers were stupid. Like shoot exclusive for us and we will pay you $50,000 a year, type offer. When I told them to treble the offer and told them how it would work by selling to mags or DVD. They were more interested in having exclusive poor content to give to affiliates than sell to markets that were clearly ignoring the Adult Internet. :upsidedow

For the ten years online I've argued that some sites could of had better content. Which would of led to more profit. For 10 years trolls have told me I'm wrong.

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will76 you're assuming I thought your ideas were worth listening to. Just because you speak doesn't mean it's something I think is worth listening to. Did anyone else listen?