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C H R I S 04-15-2011 12:13 PM

Cash out quickly.

SuckOnThis 04-15-2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060186)
if you are still logged in and playing while seized expect a knock at your door later today.

Whatever you say buddy.

MediaGuy 04-15-2011 12:14 PM

Well... good for Nevada!

:D

HighlyIntoxicated 04-15-2011 12:17 PM

America, the home of the free.

ROFL

Martin 04-15-2011 12:18 PM

Unreal. Fuck the US Government.

Paul Markham 04-15-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060112)
suck if you were an affiliate with tons of players built up at those sites.


.

If you're stupid enough to promote an illegal site then it sucks to be stupid.

Imagine if it were a Scat site that got it's billing pulled?

Don't promote illegal sites. Simple when you say it.

Agent 488 04-15-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18060226)
If you're stupid enough to promote an illegal site then it sucks to be stupid.

Imagine if it were a Scat site that got it's billing pulled?

Don't promote illegal sites. Simple when you say it.

laws are different in different countries moron.

Ravage 04-15-2011 12:25 PM

Guilty until Proven innocent. Gotta love the new regime

Mutt 04-15-2011 12:27 PM

i think it's stupid that online gambling is illegal, but i don't feel bad for them, it's illegal and they are making money only because everybody else is respecting the stupid law. no point in respecting the law if it's not going to be enforced.

magicmike 04-15-2011 12:32 PM

Pretty big news, i wonder how it will play out.

halfpint 04-15-2011 12:33 PM

Why is it banned in the US ? Over here in the UK they advertise the gambling sites on TV

So whats to stop US people from playing on UK based gambling sites ?

Phoenix 04-15-2011 12:34 PM

hmm that sucks for those guys

i thought the us was coming around to gambling now?

adult_text_links 04-15-2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18060226)
If you're stupid enough to promote an illegal site then it sucks to be stupid.

Imagine if it were a Scat site that got it's billing pulled?

Don't promote illegal sites. Simple when you say it.



What are you retarded? Diff laws in diff countries and whats wrong with a little
online poker playing .. the site is NOT illegal ... America the home of the FREE :) LOL

Matyko 04-15-2011 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair (Post 18060109)
I don't see why they just don't make it legal and tax the fuck out of it...

:2 cents:

Paul&John 04-15-2011 12:37 PM

Haha they have nothing better to do (the government), I mean the US is in a huge deficit etc and they care about stuff like that :)

SleazyDream 04-15-2011 12:41 PM

sites banned here. Wasn't aware i was subject to US law in Canada... interesting...

Klen 04-15-2011 12:41 PM

Were they seized because they were accepting usa players?

Agent 488 04-15-2011 12:43 PM

dc is starting up their own poker site.

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...dc-041211.html

looks like the thugs in washington and just clearing out the competition.

Tempest 04-15-2011 12:45 PM

I suspect there's going to be some people that are crushed by this and maybe even commit suicide... How much money do you think will be locked up with this that people won't be able to get back?

CYF 04-15-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060322)
dc is starting up their own poker site.

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...dc-041211.html

looks like the thugs in washington and just clearing out the competition.

"Players are really loyal in this industry," Ifrah said. "You really
have to ask yourself what is the incentive a player is going to have
to leave a trusted site with global competition to play in a site
that's untested and kind of unknown and doesn't offer you the same
level of play."


Definitely clearing out the competition :1orglaugh

Agent 488 04-15-2011 12:50 PM

why only poker not sportsbooks or casinos?

pornguy 04-15-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18060100)
Yeh confirmed, it's happening. DNS was taken over, they are slowly pulling the sites.

The US government is completely out of line on their online gambling stance. They need to wake the fuck up.

Dont worry they will be..

Not long ago it was posted that the Senator or who ever got the law to make it illegal is also the biggest holder of gambling domains and plans to open then. So that law wont last long.. He just took out the competition and as soon as the money is taken it will change.

Agent 488 04-15-2011 12:59 PM

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

dynastoned 04-15-2011 01:01 PM

just tried to pokerstars

"we are sorry but, due to government regulations, playing real money tournaments is not allowed in your area."

Tempest 04-15-2011 01:02 PM

This was an interesting post

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=490

Paul&John 04-15-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060386)
ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

damn thats some twisted shirt right there :)

Tempest 04-15-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060386)
ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

Quote:

They ratted him out ... and he turned the tables. No honor among thieves.

And as the Courier Mail put it, if this were still the old days, he'd buried in the Las Vegas desert right now.
I suspect there's still a good chance he'll end up dead eventually.

dynastoned 04-15-2011 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 18060386)
ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.


what a sad state of affairs if thats actually true. working with the feds is never the answer.

Agent 488 04-15-2011 01:11 PM

just skimming news the guy was facing 75 years?

Ravage 04-15-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair (Post 18060109)
I don't see why they just don't make it legal and tax the fuck out of it...

Because that makes way too much financial sense to do something like that.

Instead of proper onling gaming reform, Bush signed it into law the Safe Port Act with the Unlawful Internet Gaming and Enforcement Act on the back of it. The UIGEA had no business being on that bill, but they snuck it on their before anybody could appeal because they knew Bush would sign it without question.

Most gambling sites pulled out and stopped new US players from signing up. Poker sites stayed and tried to fight that poker wasn't gambling. It didn't go over well the past few years, so all poker sites used .NET address as a free gateway into their paid .COM product.

The UIGEA went into full effect last June, and now with COICA and ICE, the US can effectively stamp a guilty verdict and break 1st Ammendment rights and take yo shit by taking the domain. I don't even know if that is actually legal for them to do in this instance.
The main problem with the UIGEA is that it excludes fantasy sports, doesn't mention state lotteries and does not clarify if horse racing wagering is illegal, which fall under the Federal Wire Act. I can't remember the needledicks name that pushed hard on this bill and snuck it on the Safe port act.

The US fucked themselves out on billions of tax revenues they could have been earning to fund their wars if they would have just imposed a Gaming tax like the UK did.

Socks 04-15-2011 01:18 PM

I think the government has a case here unfortunately. Even the larger poker sites would do things like charge strange increments ($50.37, $49.65 etc) instead of the $50 you deposited, to avoid being flagged by banks as a gambling site. Also they would use thousands of shell companies with non-descript names to appear on credit card statements. The biggest problem surely is that the US made laws against online gambling, and these sites did everything they could to keep letting players play and deposit. Surely they knew something was going to give eventually, and rolled the dice with it, not wanting to lose all that US revenue.. Likely they were hoping the laws would change before something like this actually happened.

This really sucks, I know a lot of people who work in the poker industry in las vegas, and FT and PS are always big sponsors as well as often being main clients producing many of the shows.. I hope this doesn't affect their ability to keep the TV money flowing.

Agent 488 04-15-2011 01:20 PM

i think those sites were cutting deals with vegas and nevada right now as well.

Quentin 04-15-2011 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18060271)
Why is it banned in the US ? Over here in the UK they advertise the gambling sites on TV

So whats to stop US people from playing on UK based gambling sites ?

In an acronym? UIGEA

The U.S. government even asserts "extraterritorial jurisdiction" with respect to UIGEA, and has arrested foreign nationals under UIGEA, people who operate gambling sites hosted in other countries, but who have accepted wagers from U.S. customers, when such were people unfortunate enough to find themselves on U.S. soil, or in a country that was willing to detain and extradite them to the U.S. Gary Kaplan and David Carruthers of BetonSports are a couple of examples.

facialfreak 04-15-2011 01:26 PM

Full Tilt is still working here .... cache zapped twice

GTS Mark 04-15-2011 01:26 PM

Unbelievable!

kane 04-15-2011 01:27 PM

A friend of mine who plays online at Full Tilt just called and wondered if he will be able to get the money he has in his account back. It is a good question. My buddy said he only has around $150 in his account, but there has to be players out there with thousands and thousands in their accounts.

They may have just got Mallicked.

sponsorpimp 04-15-2011 01:28 PM

fulltiltpoker.com blocked here but fulltiltpoker.net is ok

Agent 488 04-15-2011 01:29 PM

the epass of the online gaming industry.

fuck people are going want to kill that rat from oz.

HighlyIntoxicated 04-15-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18060468)
A friend of mine who plays online at Full Tilt just called and wondered if he will be able to get the money he has in his account back. It is a good question. My buddy said he only has around $150 in his account, but there has to be players out there with thousands and thousands in their accounts.

They may have just got Mallicked.

I've read that some withdraws have been going through, but other people are claiming that when trying to cash out money, the server won't connect for them.

Ravage 04-15-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 18060457)
In an acronym? UIGEA

The U.S. government even asserts "extraterritorial jurisdiction" with respect to UIGEA, and has arrested foreign nationals under UIGEA, people who operate gambling sites hosted in other countries, but who have accepted wagers from U.S. customers, when such were people unfortunate enough to find themselves on U.S. soil, or in a country that was willing to detain and extradite them to the U.S. Gary Kaplan and David Carruthers of BetonSports are a couple of examples.

The very day the owners of NETeller were nabbed while catching their connecting flights was the day every gaming site closed their doors to new US players. Everyone ensured they used non-US based Intermediary banks so the funds wouldn't get nabbed, etc etc.

Fuck that was a hellacious week. Had to update all the banks and processors. Shit some great processors even died because of that, Surefire/firecah, NETeller, and Citadel to an extent. While they may still be around, they're nothing like they were before the UIGEA for quite a while.


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