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I know they license content, adhere to DMCA notices, and have implemented the Digital Fingerprinting. |
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considering the sheer numbers of people on the illegal tubes to the number of joins made per day, its obvious that tubes are a larger cause of lack of sales but of course, not the only reason.
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I think the bigger issue is now when you type in porn in google, or many address bars which lead you to googles results you now are shown 10 tube sites with all the content you need.
Your search is over, and you don't join any site. Before you would type in porn, and get varried result mostly of free sites, tgps, mgps, etc that didn't quite do it for you, and you'd click thru and on banners, or text ads, end up at a paysite and join. Not all surfers understand xsales etc... but they understand searching google for things, and when they find free porn that gets them off, and they're back to facebook and whatever else. |
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More generally, this is about the only legal 'industry' I can think of where most people seem to think nothing of behaving in shady or illegal ways, while most of everyone else seems to think that's fine, no big deal or just the way things happen. People call non-porn 'mainstream' like they're involved organized crime or something; WTF? There is no mainstream or non-mainstream, there is just legal and illegal, or at least ethical and unethical. Treating customers like marks because they're going to be too 'ashamed' to complain about being ripped off is something that should have died when porn left seedy, low-rent offline ghettos and became fully, legally and openly available online. Porn is legal and - ironically, largely because of Tubes - it is also mainstream. There's no reason for porn businesses not to behave in the same way and with the same standards that most other legal businesses behave. |
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i have. porn companies treat consumers 10 times better. mainstream is Mark City. 1000000000000000 times more shady. Welcome all! |
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you are right, those card-banging companies are undermining the consumer's trust in our industry, and they're worse for us than the tubes themselves
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This is a guess as I asked on another board about conversion figures on a Tube, surfers to sign up, and never got an answer. However TGP Galleries could get 500 surfers hit them, 100 click the links and 1 buy. That's a conversion rate of 1-500. Tubes from what I read convert on banner clicks 1-5,000. We had a lot of content on a big Tube site and though we got lots of views, good votes in the poll. The link See More of Paul Markham Teens converted at 1-25,000. The vast majority clicked back the moment they knew it was a link to a paysite. Do the maths. Yes the Internet brought porn to millions who could never find it before. But the TGP figures prove most were just free viewers from day 1. And we did our utmost to make sure they never needed to buy. Even at 100 gallery views and 1 sale. We were losing out to 99% of our potential customer base. And we called it "Internet Marketing" and felt superior because offline porn never understood it. :Oh crap We had people standing in a line, to a bar selling water, in the middle of a desert. And hosed them down with free water. |
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The reason your link didn't convert is because it's a blind link... on a gallery it would have bombed as well, it wouldn't have done good last year, 5 years ago or 15 years ago. You're trying to say Galleries had a 20% click ratio, and that's just wrong. If you took out free porn, you would take away the millions of people. You wouldn't be able to compete with those that buy up all the traffic sources.... free porn is how you and most of us stay in business... without it, you're just another hamburger flipper. I've never seen a gallery post send 100+ sales a day, day after day - and I've seen tubes do that for years now. And that's just to one of the sponsors they have. The biggest TGP ever, never had enough traffic to even compete at that level so even trying to compare them, is pure silly. Get out and get yourself some traffic... sales today are bigger than ever, they just moved to a different location. |
Actually, I blame the Baby Boomer parents for the lack of porn sales.
They invented the "sexual revolution" and have taught their kids, who they treat more as friends rather than their offspring, to find their connections through technology. So the kids surf all day, Facebook, Twitter, surf porn, do all this while their free-spirited friends - I mean, "parents" - are off working, going on vacation, doing their own shit. The kids? Grow up on your own, connect with friends online, live a virtual life because the life you're living today, in today's world, with today's "parents", is like living a lonely, meaningless little life and who wants that? Stay connected. Stay online. Find things to do....hey, there's some free porn over here, and over there, and over here!! This, and GIANT FAKE BOOBS. That's who I blame. Carry on. |
Watching porn movies is worth money.
Unless of course you can get them for free with no consequences... All hail the ISP bandwidth providers. |
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I see more and more tubes acting more responsibly when it comes to copyright infringement prevention and policies, but are or were they illegal or are they legal? I don't know. That can only be answered by someone who has 100% evidence and proof of their infrastructure and brings that evidence to light in the courts. Beyond copyright infringement and 2257 violations there could be patent infringement, obscenity, breach of contracts etc, etc, but all that applies to many adult businesses and I think our industry's use of the word "legal" when it comes to tubes is poorly used. ~Alli |
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From blind links on pages full of blind links maybe. Mixed in with sponsors blind links. :1orglaugh The problem with this approach is easy to understand. It starts with A giving out 10 free pictures, then B gives out 15, then C gives out 20. Until we reach S, whose giving out 1,000 free 25 minute clips in a compressed small FLV. And T gives out 1200 in a slightly better resolution. And the 100 conversions a day magically appear from no where. Because the industry is making more money than it ever was, because we give away more free porn than ever before. And of course those 100 joins didn't come from someone else. And without free porn it would never of been 1,000 a day. No way would we get any sales without free porn. :1orglaugh TheDoc's post clearly illustrates the business level of online porn. Free porn creates sales and the more you give away the more sales you create. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh So giving away whole sites must be producing a ton of sign ups. :1orglaugh |
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-Studios devaluing their own content by licensing it for $5 to $25 per scene -Studios not utilizing the legal process to go after those who infringe on their content -Consumers spending more time on mainstream internet sites like facebook. Remember when the internet was for porn? -False advertising and chances for "hookups" from some hot chick down the street that wants to fuck For those who will say "Quit your bitching". ...Even given all that "Perfect Storm" it's the hand that we've been dealt and ultimately all this data has helped us determine who we want to be as a company with the consumer for the long term and we're taking action where we clearly can (we have a strict anti-piracy and licensing policies for example) and we're influencing others in a more positive way. |
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Seriously Alison you really didn't think that one through. |
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I helped start the CJ business, blind links are for 1 thing, traffic.... anyone trying to convert them to sales is totally missing the point of a blind link. I can find free porn today just as easily as I've ever been able to find it... I remember when I was first shown porn online, it was on a free site. Free porn creates ATTRACTION.... |
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Not just to online, but in content style too. So years pass buy, the entire world switch buying power, and they STILL can't figure out the Internet, they still argue/bitch about it. So they sell everything they have as a lost resort to keep the doors open a few more days. They actually end up selling to tubes/piracy sources, because thats the only people that will take old crap content. They could charge more if paysites purchased it, but most paysites buying don't want trash and most everything in mainstream coming to the Internet, is trash. It's not like they're all doing this, so clearly a few figured it out. |
I'm off to bed so I will post why Allison's post about studios selling it cheaply was so bad.
The online business has devastated offline and the production side of the business. Doc may troll I don't know about anything, but offline and production I know more than most here. Magazines are nearly dead, DVD is struggling. And everyone knows that. Online pays as little as possible for content. Even the best payers online don't pay anything like enough. I make more money today selling a $5 set than a $30 set. Because 200+ will buy it at $5 and the days of selling it 30 times at $50 are over. Yes hardcore DVD content is exactly the same. It's better to sell it 200 times at $5 than 30 times at $50. It's hardly worth shooting a hardcore scene for the Internet only. Even without the question of free content. The Internet pushed down the prices studios could get for their content, so Allison blames the studios. :upsidedow |
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You're stupid. If it were only text links that went to sites. there would be no need to CJ them. Go think a bit harder. Now you know why you're on ignore, you're clueless with nothing to offer and talk BS. The industry is in massive decline. Don't BS us. You're clueless sitting in your spare bedroom making a few bucks about real business. |
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I can promise you cell phones aren't cheaper because of free porn.... |
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You're the one that gave a sample of converting like crap using blind text links... not me. I simply pointed out the facts, you converting bad on a blind link, is normal. I know people like you... you're a fake. You sit here pretending to have a clue but you've never done more than a handful of sales yourself and you've never had any traffic of any volume, ever! And truly, I don't care if you have me on ignore. I truly think you do more damage with your posts than you do good.... I have zero respect for you... you deserve none. |
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Licensed content still sells at $250-500/DVD, trust me. Other studios devalued their content for quick money when shit started to hit the fan. |
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Content producers are in business to maximise the return dollar on content. So they keep themselves in business. Not sell it for a lot less, at a high price to keep you in business. If 50 would pay $50. We would sell it at $50. Another example. Sponsors dictate the price. Or would you like all content producers to lose money so a couple of big companies, like yourself, could dominate the the market? |
Oh snap, I didn't see this other trash from you......
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It's funny that you think it's 1 to 1... Again FREE creates attraction that our Industry DID NOT have before it was round. |
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It's still possible to pay for all scenes, production, the entire dvd before any scene is released.... Clearly they aren't selling it for $50 a pop to make that happen. |
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