The images are absolutely stunning and breathtaking
Here you can find amazingly directed high quality nudity and masturbation, as well as highly erotic and feminine European models acting in very creative and sexy storylines

http://www.juicycat.com/

The quality all around Cinema Erotique is positively amazing
The movies even have actual composed musical scores, and the music is truly beautiful too! Each movie also boasts a real storyline, plenty of good dialogue, great lighting, lovely locations, intricate costuming, etc, as any good movie has!

http://www.tylerspornreviews.com/cinema-erotique.html


one of the more unique sites on the Internet
WeshowPorn

I feel people can make their own mind up on the quality of my site.

Feel free to post pictures of yours that demostrate your skills as a "however you describe yourself" .

Paul, you insulted me like eight times before I ripped you a new asshole - well, ripped open your colostomy bag, that is.

Paul, here's what you should do:

1. Start a review site. Then your endless "points" can be aired out and proven as Gospel as surfer after surfer follows Paul Markham"s "advice" on which porn to buy and which to skip.

2. Start a consulting company. Then you can peruse websites and offer your clinical analysis on how to make those sites better/more profitable.

Of course, you will do neither. Why? Because your review site would fail (thereby proving how useless your comments are) and no one would hire you as a "consultant" once they realized your advice didn't improve anything.

Posting on GFY keeps your commitment level quite low, doesn't it? Put your money where your mouth is Paul.

Oh - and obviously you misunderstand the concept of a NETWORK of websites. Added value, shared traffic, increased sales for all sites....oh never mind.

Paul, that 300k increase a Year is not worth the hassle. That's below 30k a month, we can do many other things to tweak and make 30k more before we need to sell pictorials to mags. That's the part you do not understand

Yes... I agree, I make more money for you, turn your tubes into TGP 2. What about that Manwin. :winkwink:

Doesn't need any of the content changed. Just the way the pages are set up.

It's just a damn tube script with a page template. Take about an hour for me to set it up to really make SALES on the paysites that EVERY video on Pornhub came from.

And make the pre-paid spots less spammy and the focus more on making real money with sales.

Those guys don't know what the fuck they are doing. All they know is they bought themselves a high traffic tube site (because of all the stolen content). And the only thing they can figure out how to do is sell prepaid ads based on traffic, which is based on stolen content.

SOOOOO much more money could and should be made there. But of course Fabian is just too big as the "owner" to have time to do things that could make millions of more dollars for "his" company (which is so big that we can't even understand it)

Robbie... LOL... you will never get it... but as I said, that's ok.. since its fun to read your posts.

You know so little about our tubes, so little insider knowledge, your comments are useless. You have no idea how much money we make with our ads, you have no idea how many of them are prepaid vs. bidding on trafficjunky, you have no idea how much money we make on our skinned or half skinned video pages in our channels...

You know so little, your comments are mute and useless...

But continue thinking you are this great marketer and laugh at me... I'll continue to enjoy every post you make trying to bash me....

Robbie, I must say that Nathan is correct here - the "PornHub family" has many revenue streams you are not acknowledging, at least not in your last post.

Besides, Nathan et al may be planning design changes as we speak, one would imagine. I'm sure Manwin A-B tests everything. LOL

Having said all that, optimizing the various pages Robbie-style would be a fucking fascinating exercise indeed! Nathan should give Robbie some $$$ for a split test and let him have at it. :)

actually you might want to listen again it not quality but value proposition

quality is a tiny bit of that.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This guy just has a bone to pick with online porn in general. Oldest troll evar?

Pornhub and all the tube sites they own have ONE source of revenue when you boil it down: Prepaid ads based on traffic garnered from stolen content. It's just that simple.

And I could care less about whatever horseshit he is spewing about how big Manwin is etc.
Reality: They are on the map because they now own Brazzers and all the tube sites. Period. Nobody gives a fuck about anything else they do.

Brazzers is something I like. I love big tits. That's a no-brainer. But it was always nothing more than a "medium" selling program for me. Worth a couple of grand a month max to me as an affiliate back when affiliates still made money. And since my top 3 programs I pushed all made me around 20 grand a month...Brazzers was my beer money.

So he can talk and bullshit all day long. Bottom line is....Pornhub and the rest of their tube sites are not monetized properly.
Yes, I KNOW that his Streamate white label on Pornhub & the other tubes makes the majority of the money for them (again made possible by the traffic brought in from OTHER PEOPLE'S CONTENT).

But I'm saying that...oh hell, don't listen to me...just LOOK at any video's page on Pornhub. It's a goddamn clusterfuck joke. MILLIONS of dollars being left on the table.

And Fabian can't "give" me shit. He isn't the owner. I don't want a job, they can't afford me. I want him fired and to take the whole damn thing over myself and turn it around. Start making some real money for everyone.

And I'd do it in a matter of days. Not the months that keep dragging by while Fabian flounders like a fish out of water....because he IS a fish out of water in the porn business.

He's a clown. Nothing more.

Another page another dollar

if your so brilliant at monetizing the traffic why not simply buy a domain
buy tube feeder traffic and out build nat tube sites

your surplus profits based on your designs should cover the cost of building up th site until it bigger than anything nat got.

Seriously Robbie, as I offered before, I'll give you 10% of any increase you generate as long as its MILLIONS a month as you claim. For life.

You brag how you made 20k from your top programs as an affiliate.. Well, I'm offering you 200k or more (MILLIONS must mean 2m+) a month to show me how you are so superior than me... but you just ignore this offer, because, in the end of the day, you have no clue and are just afraid you might be wrong and look like a stupid idiot on GFY when you misserably fail.

And your excuse is that I can not "give" you anything since I have nothing to say... and my answer to that was I can prove it to you if you want...

And I already told you front boy...
The ONLY way I do business is face to face. You want to sit down with me then we do it that way. Already told you I'd fly myself to your town and come to your office and talk about it.

I don't know how you guys come to such conclusions..... some of the posts are close to unreal. Nathan has an extremely capable and skilled team of people and they do a hell of great work.

That's in your opinion Theo. In my experience...looking at any video page on Pornhub shows it to be a CLUSTER FUCK of prepaid ad spots and the videos that are being promoted are promoted with one tiny piece of text.

Come on man. Give me a break. There is nothing "capable" or "skilled" about the template page that they are using on their tube script.

Dear God! I would fire that "team" and do it all myself and make them look like the clue-less idiots they are.

Face it...they have a tube site built on stolen content. The only "skill" was the original owners having the balls and moral ineptitude to do such a thing in the first place. The rest of it is nothing more than a tube script.

If you can set up a mech bunny script, then you have the same "skill" as his "team".

Problem is none of them over there have any idea how to market something. Just LOOK at the pages. A cluster fuck, with no focus.

So more than $1,000 a week?

That's the problem. Every time I talked to an online porn professional I got answers like this like. No one would say something like "I can can work/team up with you and make a site that will pocket you $500,000 (for instance) a year.

Even when it came to brokering our content the answers were vague. Brokers like Ounique wouldn't buy the exclusive online resale license on our sets for $300. They would only broker. Later found out that selling them ourselves from a start up content store they were worth a lot more than $300. Same with paysites, people who wanted to do a deal, included it on their server, with them controlling it, processing and when asked "How Much?". The answers were vague.

When told we would want a contract with a 6 month review and get out clause, they went quiet. All the time they and others were telling me they would give me $300 exclusive for a set and video.

We got the picture the vast majority of these people didn't have a clue and weren't making the money they tried to make out they were.

And there's the problem in a nutshell. And your refusal to look at our bigger picture illustrates your blinkered thinking and your real marketing skills.

You keep showing some the graph for something we never really worked at. Yet you seem to realise why. We made a LOT of money selling to offline porn. So much we never really went the route of nearly all other major content providers, to shooting custom. We didn't need to, didn't have the time and couldn't be bothered for the money offered. You must know that.

The online store was phenomenally successful. Proof in the seeing, we're still open after 3 years of effectively closing the business. We stopped shooting mid July 2008. Yet sold some memberships and a content store order last night. In anyones book that, not bad. And I finished my recent jigsaw. :thumbsup

So we had offline sales and online sales. Take a stab at what they were worth.

Then ask yourself, would you give that up to risk losing it to open a paysite?

Let's put it this way, would you give up your job of writing emails, to take up shooting content?

We did it in 2005 and everyone said, go exclusive. Well would you advise shutting down the content stores to risk a paysite being successful. And starting with 40 exclusive sets and never releasing more to the stores?

I always thought shooting video of girls who don't speak English, wasn't going to work that well. So it might of meant coming back to the UK, giving up the magazine side of the business to open a risky paysite.

I've read it and will listen to you. Can you rewrite the program the email goes onto?

If not I'll get someone who can and try your one. Sent mine out last week, will send the same one out this week. Or send out 50/50 your new one and mine.

To be honest I've never thought selling to someone who knows our product needed a lot of "marketing". They just need a reminder we're still here. They know, trust and rely on us. Selling to them is easy. But will try your method and if it works pay you.

I'll take that bet... Make them feel like they can post there daily activities and then... you have them sold...

I wasn't directing that comment at Manwin or even about today, it was what companies could of done in the past to improve their business and profit line.

Employing a good shooter would of meant less hassles. Good shooters do more than shoot, they arrange shoots, organise, interview and filter models, build scenes, know niches and they do ALL the offline selling. So 0 hassle, better content and better members areas. More money..

Today it's too late, free content killed the magazines. 5 to 10 years ago it would of been great. And everyone would of liked an extra $30k a month in their pockets then. Thinking it can be done today is wrong. Even the DVD industry is winding down. Maybe you should sit down with Steve Hirsch and take some advice from him on selling in the DVD market.

Employing a professional content man at the top of your content structure, would kick start your members areas. Today who ever runs Manwin's isn't very good and if he or you come to the Prague show I will tell you face to face the same.

The mistakes made are many, elementary and costing Manwin money. A lot of money if you're the size you claim.

You're not alone. For over 10 years the main focus has always been getting customers, never keeping them. So today there are tons of sites all with similar low quality content. Robbie makes the point about creating good content and then protecting it. No point in protecting 90% of the content online sites have. Everyone else in the same niche has the same content. Just a different sofa and different girl.

You base your opinion on mis-information.
1) most ads on the video pages are not prepaid, they are bid on per view
2) sponsored videos are promoted by at least a text link, but if you can read and upload banners, it's a banner below the player too. random video from phub frontpage: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=593548480
3) Channels are fully skinned ad wise: http://www.pornhub.com/channel/twistys
4) Standard video pages from channel content use more than below player ads, depending on performance vs normal ads: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=573538588 -- this is also different for each geo, since in some geo's we might just outperform the site itself with our special geo targeted ads. The below video banner and above video text link is always guaranteed. The channel button on the top right is always guaranteed which brings fans to the channel videos fully skinned.

Not when it comes to content.

The scenes are often duplicated, often lack good invention or innovation and often lack passion. Some of the shooting is very poor and by people less than capable.

The people at the top aren't directing the content production team properly and the people doing the work, either don't care to offer comments or aren't being listened to.

And they're not alone in this. Nearly the whole online porn industry is in a similar situation. There are a few exceptions that we all know well.

When it comes to tweaking tours, getting banners, links, colors of join buttons and text in an email. We're over supplied with marketing men and advise. Let's get this banner with that scene, get the text right, have a big join button, and so on. The motivation to click the banner or link is very often down to "How cheap can you shoot it for."

Even Fabian can't see the benefits of having a really professional guy at the top of his content team and is posting all about links? :Oh crap

And the customers are slowly turning off buying.

So let's tinker with the designs, layouts and links and test them. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If you look at this industry from the sidelines, you see vast changes in the way we drive traffic and give away free content (marketing). And little in the product. Now we have HD. What else has changed?

So much free content the surfers out number customers by 1,000s to 1.

That's not the point of marketing. The point is to improve sales, not devastate them.

That's because making up bullshit figures isn't something professionals do.

As a businessman Paul, you must be able to get your head around this.

I am guaranteeing I will make you more than it costs to hire me. Or I will refund the money.

You'd have to be MENTAL not to accept such an offer.

Guessing about specific numbers is not something I do. There's no point in trying to get business by lying about what I might be able to do. So I offer a guarantee.

If you don't want to take me up on that, I'd understand. Because you don't get the internet.

You claim you didn't work on it. But with your demonstrable track record of lying, I wager you did work on it. With your magic join links and your affiliates and your advertising, but because you simply do not understand the internet, you failed at it. As the data proves.

You opened a paysite and worked on it and it failed horribly. So you pretend you put no time or effort into it and it was just a joke. Cool. Whatever, Paul.

If you had, you'd have a brand and money that would mean you don't have to beg on GFY, you don't have to send your wife out for a second job and you wouldn't have to be such a massive hypocrite accepting 3k of piracy money from Fabian. (Allegedly).

I know why you are so angry and bitter and have to lie all day.

You were in the right place at the right time to CLEAN UP with online porn. Such a back catalogue. Wow.

However, because you didn't understand it, you stuck to the dead tree business, which is dead.

Shame. You could be really rich now, which is a measure you seem to hold high to equate happiness.

Sorry, I didn't know the very simple act of opening a paysite would have meant you had to stop all other work? I guess I missed that memo :D

No. I am a creative, not a developer.

Paul, you don't need to 'write email software'. There's lots of options. PHPlist, Lyris, or the new YNOT email which is very cheap. If you can't afford it, I will pay for your set up to get this test done.

Paul, you really need some kind of strategy. You don't just send the same spam email to the same list a week later.

But if you want to piss off your list, sure we can do that. I will do a wireframe and the copy for your designer.

That's because you don't 'get' what marketing is.

It's not BEING SOLD TO, it's about making a story that is easy to tell someone. It's presenting something in a way looks appealing. It's about treating your audience with professional respect.

The last thing I would ever do is take your money. I will do it for free, just to give you a clue about how a marketing professional can make you more money. What's your email address, I'll have a couple of creatives over to you by the end of the day.

Here's one creative for you. You have a time limited offer you want people to respond to. So in order to capture the time sensitive nature of the offer, I've worked out an idea based on the popular television show 24.
24 worked a lot with split screen effects, viz:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lit_Screen.jpg

http://www.dignews.com/legacy/screenshots/24_01.jpg

http://www.theboxset.com/images/revi...4season202.jpg

So the email creative is based on that split screen idea. Few points to note.

1) There is a call to action above the fold. The "click on my head" button is visable to readers in a preview pane, and has your pic, and a call to action. So people instantly will know it's from you and that they are expected to click.

2) There is very little sales text. Average read time for an email is 3-6 seconds. So you need to think more like a postcard, or a 24 sheet that a letter.

3) The legal stuff and unsub is tiny

4) There is a VERY large obvious and compelling call to action

5) The call to action is in the very recognisable font 24 used

That's it really.

I'll come up with some others throughout the day.

Obviously, this is just a wireframe, with badly stretched images and place holders. It's to show your designer what I want and IS NOT a finished design. Although the fact it is 600 pixels wide IS important.

https://img.skitch.com/20110524-kd6a...ubjkkt1y2c.jpg

had another idea

time running out

so an hour glass

it is simple, recognised world wide and easy to get a stock shot of.

the copy is short and simple, with elegant alliteration at the end and several time sensitive calls to action

this also incorporates 9 thumbs, with their own call to action, so people can see your best work.

https://img.skitch.com/20110524-guwf...x7mwk2mp9i.jpg

bump for page 10.

given the number of deals he would have been better to do aa 4-7 day day firesale type structure.

by grouping sets with a daily special he could have done 2-3 per day email cycle. (24 hour/10 hours/59 minutes)

and put an upsell to buy everything to all the buyers of anything within that launch sequence.

I'm not telling him how to do his sales or business. I'm just making better emails that will get more clicks.

And you have to get your head around, no businessman goes into a partnership or employs someone on a blind offer.

If you offer to put up up before I pay up, I will take your offer. If I make Manwin pay first. I'm definitely not giving you money for you to give back on a promise. We will write a mutually agreeable contract.

I get the Adult Internet very well. A lot of people who thought they had to give porn away to sell it. A lot of people who made offers that mean nothing.

And a market that would decline if people carried on as they were. Which it has, so how well do you need to get the Internet, not to understand that?

The Internet as far as porn is concerned is just another method of delivering porn. You "marketing" guys (when I say you, I don't mean it personally. It applies to all people who only just sent traffic) built a barrier between the customer and the supplier and now the supplier jumps to your wishes. The problem is your wishes aren't what the customer wants.

I did very little work on it, got far bigger things to do. The data proves nothing. The data is in my bank account. When will you get it. The paysites are the least of our concern. They never figured large in our income, never thought they would, just another string to our bow. Use a wider vision.

It didn't fail. Today the traffic is low. Still got members, still making money. 5 years ago it did well as our 3rd string.

From debating intelligently you go to stupid mode so fast.

Now on idiot mode.

I'm very happy and you have no clue how happy I am. Ask ReggieDurango, he filmed me if I'm unhappy.

As someone who lives in a rented flat that looks like a dump and films it. What have you made in online porn?

What gives you the idea I'm not rich? Please come up with something better than a thread put up by a friend telling people I'm in trouble and locked out of my bank account, yes my biggest mistake, when Eva was in a coma. And the joke thread about buying new lenses. What makes you think I'm broke?

Do you read what I posted or just made it up as you go along?

A good paysite needs videos of girls who can speak English.
I live in a country where few girls speak English.

The girls are much better looking here and loads are a slam dunk for magazines sales at $3,000 a set. In the years 1999 to 2008 we shot 2100 sets. Do the sums.

Then add content store sales. Including DVDs.

Then add the sets we broker.

Do the sums.

Now to shot a successful site I would need English speaking girls, exclusive content and spend time looking after the paysite. Launching it is an easy job, looking after affiliates, building their tools, keeping them supplied with new content to give away?

All on the promise that someone living in a rented dump can make me more than he will cost me?

Figure it would cost me millions. Then you're thinking like a businessman.

Or do you think we shot 2100+ full sets, 600+ videos and 100s of Readers wives sets, had a 3500 sq ft studio, employed 8 people. On a business that wasn't making a lot of money?

You are thinking like a person who had little to lose in starting a paysite. Without realising you're talking to someone who had a lot to lose starting a paysite. If you're calculations are right and we make no money from the paysite, do you really think someone like you could make us millions?

Then the question that has to be asked is. Why didn't you do it yourself, what stopped you from opening a paysite?

You have nothing much to lose, you're a brilliant marketing man, you understand the Internet so well. Shooting content is easy and you always tell me how bad I am shooting scared girls with dry pussies. So you must be able to do a better job than me.

You would of made enough to buy yourself a mansion by now.

I can make guarantees like this... to the right companies, but I don't do marketing/sales.

A one man show type company with no support staff already making an income working to the bone, isn't going to be able to maintain the growth, so guaranteeing it wouldn't be smart. But an established company with a team, ready to grow - that's a totally different story.

The issue for me isn't the results, it's finding companies that can or will pay, what's it's actually worth.

A third concept.

We work in porn. People like a laugh. So if you can make them chuckle, you are half way to getting a sale. IMHO.

So some self deprecating humour might work really well.

Here's a rough idea:

https://img.skitch.com/20110524-3egb...erp7prnmfb.jpg

What's blind about it? I guarantee I will make you more than it costs to hire me. Even you can see that is a no brainer of an offer.

I have done you three email creatives for free.

And I would never take money from you. I'm not a hypocrite.

Paul, I don't want your money.

No we won't. I don't want, nor would I ever take money from you.

Your data paints the opposite picture from that.

Again demonstrating you actually have no idea what marketing is. But whatevs.



The stats prove otherwise.

There really is no point debating with you, you don't have a basic comprehension of the words I use.

Personal attacks and lies again? WOW.

You.


Quote me once saying shooting content is easy. I make no claims to be able to take good pictures. I claim I am good at marketing. And I am.

My email creatives prove this, where as your email idea, well, it just proves you don't understand the VERY BASICS of the internet.

And the pic of your mansion is where?

I love pwning you. It's so very easy.

A fourth creative

Following up HTML with a plain text email is really strong.

I would send out a plain text email like this:


Hi Paul,

I sent you an email about a 50% off discount last week and you didn't take me up on it. I wanted to basically beg you to. I'm fucked. My boughtwife has had to take a second job. I'm forced into working for people I despise. And I do nothing but post about free porn and content on gfy all day.

I really need you to buy just one set from me.

Just one.

I know, I know I said "my content isn't good enough", but fuck it, it's cheap.

So, please please please buy it. I'm on my knees. I'm desperate. I need your money to pay my bills.

HELP ME.

CLICK HERE TO BUY MY DRY CUNTED 80's TEENS PICS

--

To unsub from my begging letters click here.

:1orglaugh

We agree on something.

This is exactly the position we were until recently.

We had bills to pay, employees, our income and wages, car and the expenses of shooting, flying back and forth to the UK and US to sell. Then a studio and more employees.

Risk all that by going into shooting custom? The problem was finding an online company that would pay the right money. Well it wasn't a problem for long. Soon found none would pay decent money, even in the glory days of online porn.

Risk all that by going into paysites? Not from the picture I saw. Loads of companies that talked big and then I found out it was just that, talk. Many working from home, many couldn't afford decent content.

Today the issue is even worse, there are even fewer companies who will pay decent money.

Paul, where is the rule saying that people that produce content must STOP doing that if they want to run a paysite?

Couldn't you have employed someone with a clue to make your site for you, rather than you doing it in frontpage?




Anyway, you want to push on with my free offer? I'll even pay for you to use ynot mail so we can split test properly as your sending solution is more than likely you BCCing on your ISP's SMTP.

Which of the 4 ideas do you prefer?

We had programmers and could of employed a marketing guy in a heart beat for a paysite. What would one cost, $50,000 a year, $100,000 for a top guy?

No it was about the content production that worried me. Do we use the content we had sold and were selling to magazines?

Do we go 100% exclusive?

Do we come back to the UK to get girls who speak English?

Do we stop selling on the stores?


We only mail out from [email protected]. It's an ethical thing for us. Not using fake emails to get around people who have decided they no longer want our mail. We send porn pics out.

Will let you know by email soon, how we proceed. If it works, you have to take money from us. Another ethics thing.

Email me so I can tell you how we proceed.

Notice how Paul ignores my two suggestions - start a paysite review site and start a consulting company. Org laugh.

BTW: No one has the "perfect" way of doing things, everyone has their own way that works for them.

DamianJ: Great ideas for emails!!